Value of: Adam Larsson

[WesMcCauley]

Other than different team, different conference, different matchups... Also please show me accurate advanced stats for blue liners.

I believe in the eye test only. Stats are for forwards. Blueliners get graded according to who they get to play against.

Look at Girardis advanced stats. He is horrible and his stats Are aswell. Look at E Karlsson's advanced stats, they Are great and he is great.
Advanced stats Are pretty accurate. But why is Girardi a +15 with horrible advanced stats? Because Hank is a beast. Stats back up that aswell.

Larsson is a lot better than Girardi but Schneider beeing a top 3 goalie helped him out alot aswell.

 

[RememberTheName]

Shultz & Scrivens both had potential at one point, until their development was ruined by not being brought along properly, so I could see how they made the team when they did.

But like I said, imo Adam Larsson & Ben Hutton have similar value: there's a mystique in a player being pick as highly as Larsson was, but skill-wise, I don't think there's a huge difference. Ben Hutton's a #3 w/ #2 potential; a lot of hockey minds feel that Larsson has that same upside.

 

[Sykie]

In fairness, the real test for Adam will be how he fares away from Andy Greene and also under new coaching since Alain Nasreddine was huge for Larsson last season. We've seen Larsson struggle without the right coaches. I don't disagree with your point, but I dont think its that clear cut yet. Larsson could be a top pairing guy for the rest of his career, but Id also not be surprised if he tops out as a 3rd or 4th ultimately. He's still really young and he has the skills to be up top. But to say emphatically he's a top pairing guy I can't agree with yet. This coming season will say a lot.

Excellent post which summarize my thoughts perfectly.

And this is exactly why in my view, and being a conservative kind of fan, Larsson is a top-four, but not more at this point. Having one good year besides Greene is nice and all, but it is really not enough to prove anything in terms of upside.

Also, and since he played in a defensive role this year, I think he clearly became misunderstood as a player. Looking at some people here you would think he is a defensive specialist and I think that is really far from the truth. These people overstate his defensive game the same way they underrated his offensive game. Larsson has potential for 30/40 points and ultimately, he projects probably more into a two-way defenseman than a defensive specialist.

Larsson is a solid top-four with upside. That's what he is right now. Only time will tell if he will improve to become a real first pair defenseman.

 

[CornKicker]

luckily for larsson klefbom is better than andy greene so he can only trend up....since he is completely dependent on his partner

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Canuck fans are all Tanev>> Larsson. But in their own thread most are willing to trade him in a deal for Barrie. I wouldn't even think of trading Larsson for Barrie from an Oilers pov.

It's almost like the two teams have different needs and holes in their roster and the Canucks have a huge need for a PPQB...

 

[Edmonton East]

luckily for larsson klefbom is better than andy greene so he can only trend up....since he is completely dependent on his partner

Right now? Ha.

 

[Paralyzer]

Right now? Ha.

I'd say so. Charts don't lie:

 

[QJL]

Kevin Hayes + Dylan McIlrath

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

I'd say so. Charts don't lie:

Wow, that's actually pretty insane how Klef has those stats so early. However, I would assume some are a bit swayed in his favour simply because NJ was not an offensive team by any means. Greene's offence will probably take a tumble because of that. I think that's why Larsson's stats are somewhat similar, but I wouldn't doubt if his numbers climbed a bit with Edmonton.

 

[yababy]

I don't understand the question. The market has spoken - the value of Adam Larsson is a young top 30 point scorer.

I'd be willing to bet he tops 30 points this year.
We're talking about a D-man who had ZERO powerplay time. That will change

 

[Starat327]

I'd be willing to bet he tops 30 points this year.
We're talking about a D-man who had ZERO powerplay time. That will change

I believe the 'young, top 30 point scorer' line was the description of Taylor Hall.

 

[Homesick]

I'd be willing to bet he tops 30 points this year.
We're talking about a D-man who had ZERO powerplay time. That will change

If the Oilers pick up a Barrie/Shattenkirk type defenseman he probably wont. The Oilers will run with a 4+1 PP

 

[yababy]

Larsson isnt a top pair D.... Edm fans calling him that really has no clue. He is a very solid top 4 nothing more, nothing less. If u actually watched NJ you would know that. Eye test and advanced stats back it up.

Larsson played #2 D and top minutes in that role last year. +15 on a minus team.
Can't call him any less than this would be saying he'll regress significantly

 

[yababy]

Except every NJ fan in here is telling you he played that role. He was paired with Greene the majority of the year, averaging 22:30 per game - :27 less than Greene, 2:40 more than their next D (Moore). He played that much while getting next to no PP time.

It's fair to debate whether his great defensive numbers were carried by Greene, but at the end of the day it's simply opinion one way or another. The FACT is that he was paired with the Devils #1 D, and played the second most minutes on the team. There is no argument in the world that can disprove he played a top pairing role in New Jersey.



See above.


Honestly, I've never wanted a season to start so badly. I think Larsson and Klefbom are going to emerge as a legit top pair. Obviously Klefbom can't offer some of the elements Greene does (experience, poise, systematic discipline), but I think Klefbom's skating, athleticism and developing offensive game are going to open up things for Larsson as well.

Andy Greene was +7
Larsson was +15

So who is being carried, Larsson or Greene?

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

I'd say so. Charts don't lie:

People need to stop posting these things without context

 

[LiveeviL]

People need to stop posting these things without context

A comparison is by nature a context (albeit you can add more context ad infinitum).

 

[Rorschach]

One of very few D I would have offered Tyler Toffoli for

You and I could reminisce how painful that deal was at the time when we're in the 2017 SC Final...and again in the 2018 SC Final.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Canuck fans are all Tanev>> Larsson. But in their own thread most are willing to trade him in a deal for Barrie. I wouldn't even think of trading Larsson for Barrie from an Oilers pov.

I disagree. Most in that thread would not trade Tanev for Barrie to open up an even bigger hole on the team.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Has anyone made a Taylor Hall joke yet? If not, I can do it. Give me 48 hours.

 

[do0glas]

People need to stop posting these things without context

TOI alone would boost klefboms p/60 way up. He play like 636 minutes with 12 points. Greene played 1836 with 13 points.

The possession numbers are relative to their teammates. So klefbom does fairly well there but the team numbers are more important. Jersey had good shot suppression numbers as a team. So Greene wouldn't blow anyone away relative to that team.

Greene played 400 more minutes than the next closest dman on his team against top comp. Playing a half season can make many people's numbers look amazing.

Tldr: context is important.

 

[CornKicker]

so a quick summary up to this point

larssons value is somewhere more than taylor hall but significantly less than ben hutton

 

[Homesick]

Wow, that's actually pretty insane how Klef has those stats so early. However, I would assume some are a bit swayed in his favour simply because NJ was not an offensive team by any means. Greene's offence will probably take a tumble because of that. I think that's why Larsson's stats are somewhat similar, but I wouldn't doubt if his numbers climbed a bit with Edmonton.

The Oilers only scored 17 more goals than the Devils last years. Granted it was a new system with McLellan, and brutal injuries to McDavid(1C), and Klefbom(1D).

 

[Homesick]

so a quick summary up to this point

larssons value is somewhere more than taylor hall but significantly less than ben hutton

I haven't read a single post from an Oilers fan that thinks the Oilers won this deal. Maybe you're confused that Oiler fans would want a player equal to Hall or more for Larsson now. Can you blame them since he hasn't even played a game for them yet?

 

[kurt]

You've got to imagine another solid young D was available for less than the price paid?

That's what I can't seem to understand. With all the talk about guys like Hamonic and Shattenkirk being available, and seeing the return guys like Kulikov, Hamilton, and Jones got, the Larsson deal is puzzling.

 

[Paralyzer]

People need to stop posting these things without context

This IS Context! This tells me that Oscar Klefbom is better than Andy Greene, albeit, for Top Pairing, not Shut-Down. Numbers don't lie. Andy Greene is a good player but people forget Klefbom actually played like a Top 20 Dman in the league last year before getting injured.