Player Discussion Adam Gaudette, Pt. II

[Bertuzzzi44]

Maybe try him on Horvats wing to get some scoring going for Bobo

Miller Pettersson Boeser
Pearson Horvat Gaudette
Roussell Sutter Virtanen
Leivo Beagle Motte

Who am i forgetting

Ferland

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I would keep Gaudette as the 3C, his line was very good last game. Will be interesting when everyone comes back to how the lines may look.

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser
Pearson-Horvat-Ferland
Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen
Leivo-Beagle-Sutter
Schaller
Motte
Eriksson

 

[Ainec]

He has a really good shot

If he developes his game more he can be a good winger tbh

 

[Canucks1096]

If you want to prove that I am wrong which you trying so hard to do. Then you need to send me a clip from Gaudette first 18 games, I wrote that before this game.

Just a friendly reminder. Yesterday assist was Gaudette first primary assist at 5 on 5 this season which the puck didn't go off of skate. Only took 19 games, first 5 on 5 goals in the Pitsburg game and it took 16 games.

 

[Canucks1096]

I like how he shoots. I'm coming around on his top 6 upside. Still struggles in his own zone, but I really like how he has a shooters mentality. I hope he keeps it up. I don't think he'll continue to produce at this rate, but he's definitely becoming a big part of the team.

He brings energy and excitement. Hoping it continues.

He has 25 shots in 19 games. I have no idea where you get this generalizations from

 

[Canucks1096]

He’s on pace for 55 points even though he only got a real opportunity in an offensive in the last few games. Kid is going to be a ****ing monster, 30 goals, 30 assists easy. Power play specialist who can score and make plays and skate with energy and provide elite goal celebrations.

This 1 pick in the 5th round is better than all of Gillis’ picks combined lmao

Gaudette will never ever score 30 goals. He is going to be better than Horvat? Wow just wow

 

[Canucks1096]

It’s the internet, there are stupid people every where

There are a lot people who like to generalize and just see what they want to see. If he had all those qualities, don't you think he would of scored more than 12 points last year?

 

[Canucks1096]

Maybe try him on Horvats wing to get some scoring going for Bobo

Miller Pettersson Boeser
Pearson Horvat Gaudette
Roussell Sutter Virtanen
Leivo Beagle Motte

Who am i forgetting

I don't think you follow the Canucks that much. They did try Gaudette with Horvat. According natural stat trick, when Horvat and Gaudette are on the ice together they didn't generate any goals. Same with the time Gaudette spent with Miller. They didn't generate any goals either

 

[Canucks1096]

The love for Gaudette is getting so ridiculous, second line center? 30 G? 60 P? Better than Horvat?

Do people remember last year so many people were saying Virtanen will get 20 to 30 goals. Guess what? It wasn't sustainable.

1 Gaudette has a 24% shooting percentage, That will not be sustainable,
2 Gaudette is on pace 20 pp, that will not be sustainable. Second pp unit do not score much, Canucks probably don't even get anywhere close to 20 ppg from the second unit
3 puck luck, look at all the puck luck Gaudette got at the start of the year. Pucks off of skate and goes in the net? Gets checked off the puck and ends up getting an assist.

I don't see Gaudette getting more than around 30 points.

He has 6 even strength points this year, probably end up the season with about 20 to 22 points 5 on 5

He has 6 ppp right now. Probably another 4 to 6 ppp the whole year. Probably about 30 to 34 points

 

[Canucks1096]

Canucks are

10 6 3 with Sutter in the lineup
10 7 3 with Beagle in the lineup
8 8 3 with Gaudette in the lineup.

Guess what? When Sutter and Beagle are out, Canucks give up more goals? Why??? Because nobody on the team can replace those two on the PK.

Evidences shows Canucks win more with Sutter and Beagle

 

[Nick1219]

I still don’t see enough from Gaudette to show me that he’s without a shadow of a doubt going to be an effective middle 6’er in this league.

He’s definitely started to turn it around recently though. Starting to see some confidence in his game which I think is really helping. That being said, he will absolutely never be a 30/30 player in the NHL. I will delete my HF account if that happens.

 

[The Flow]

Wow, can't believe all the hot takes on this thread...jumping to conclusions faster than Stephen A Smith on ESPN.

Gaudette has been used sparingly until recently. Earlier this season he was averaging around 11 or 12 minutes per game. It's not until 2 weeks ago he started getting more minutes and he's shown he can get on the scoreboard when given the opportunity. Let's see where he finishes at the end of this season before spewing such ridiculous assessments.

 

[vanuck]

I don't think you follow the Canucks that much. They did try Gaudette with Horvat. According natural stat trick, when Horvat and Gaudette are on the ice together they didn't generate any goals. Same with the time Gaudette spent with Miller. They didn't generate any goals either

According to naturalstattrick.com they played a total of about 32 minutes together, which isn't a very big sample to draw any conclusions either way. They've been on for 0 goals for and against, which obviously won't continue but their shot shares (CF%, FF% and SF%) together are decent enough that it might be worth giving it an extended look.

But looking at stats in such small samples aside, just from watching him play you can see where he might fit on the wing as well. He's got the skating and instincts to get in on the forecheck and disrupt the opposition for turnovers, plus he looks to shoot which is well suited for the role of a winger. I like that he brings a sort of youthful energy to the team. If his current usage and TOI continue I predict he'll end up somewhere around 30-35 points if prorated over 82 games.

 

[F A N]

Canucks are

10 6 3 with Sutter in the lineup
10 7 3 with Beagle in the lineup
8 8 3 with Gaudette in the lineup.
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Guess what? When Sutter and Beagle Canucks give up more goals? Why??? Because nobody on the team can replace those two on the PK.

Evidences shows Cnaucks win more with Sutter and Beagle

The team is better with Sutter and Beagle in the lineup. Green's ideal lineup is with those two in the lineup.

With that said, what do we have in Gaudette? He seems to be coming into his own. He's not likely to be as good as Sutter defensively and on the PK, but Gaudette is better offensively.

 

[Canucks1096]

The team is better with Sutter and Beagle in the lineup. Green's ideal lineup is with those two in the lineup.

With that said, what do we have in Gaudette? He seems to be coming into his own. He's not likely to be as good as Sutter defensively and on the PK, but Gaudette is better offensively.

He is not better than Sutter 5 on 5. 5 on 5, Sutter 8 points vs Gaudette 6 P.

Should Gaudette be in the lineup? Yes of course
Should Gaudette replace Sutter as the third line center and is a better option than Sutter? Nope Gaudette is not a better option as of this moment.

Let's not forget with no Sutter at center Horvat needs to play more tougher mins and that might sacrifice some of Horvat offense

There are lot other details than other users don't even think about it

 

[M2Beezy]

I don't think you follow the Canucks that much. They did try Gaudette with Horvat. According natural stat trick, when Horvat and Gaudette are on the ice together they didn't generate any goals. Same with the time Gaudette spent with Miller. They didn't generate any goals either

Your the best, keep these takes a coming

 

[Disappointed EP40]

I'm guessing from some posts someone I ignore are going off about Gaudette. It sounds likes one or maybe two people so let's not generalize "everyone" as being over the top with Gaudette's assessment.

I think he was better on the wing when Sutter was playing (well) on the third line. Hopefully Sutter can return to his pre-injury form. This has been the only year I've liked his play. And hopefully Gaudette can play well enough to be on his wing.

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser
Pearson -Horvat- Ferland
Leivo -Sutter- Gaudette
Roussel -Beagle- Virtanen
Schaller
Motte
Eriksson

Equal time between third and fourth line. Shuffle middle six wingers when needed.​

 

[NUhockey]

I'm guessing from some posts someone I ignore are going off about Gaudette. It sounds likes one or maybe two people so let's not generalize "everyone" as being over the top with Gaudette's assessment.

I think he was better on the wing when Sutter was playing (well) on the third line. Hopefully Sutter can return to his pre-injury form. This has been the only year I've liked his play. And hopefully Gaudette can play well enough to be on his wing.

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser
Pearson -Horvat- Ferland
Leivo -Sutter- Gaudette
Roussel -Beagle- Virtanen
Schaller
Motte
Eriksson

Equal time between third and fourth line. Shuffle middle six wingers when needed.​

Honestly I like this move. Heck, Gaudette at left wing could be a move since he seems more comfortable operating on that side. Green recognizes this and hinted at trying this out as the season progresses.

 

[ScottishCanuck]

There are a lot people who like to generalize and just see what they want to see. If he had all those qualities, don't you think he would of scored more than 12 points last year?

I don't disagree with quite a few of your points, but you can't use him getting 12 points last year as evidence of him not having the potential to improve upon the qualities he has.

Player development isn't that simple.

 

[Canucks1096]

I don't disagree with quite a few of your points, but you can't use him getting 12 points last year as evidence of him not having the potential to improve upon the qualities he has.

Player development isn't that simple.

To clarify,

"user wrote since last year I been hearing Gaudette is not fast enough, get checked off the puck easily and I never saw it"

In am saying right now if that was true last year, Gaudette would of had more than 12 points. I am just indicating he was slow and got checked off the easily, I am not saying he can't improve those areas.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Canucks are

10 6 3 with Sutter in the lineup
10 7 3 with Beagle in the lineup
8 8 3 with Gaudette in the lineup.

Guess what? When Sutter and Beagle are out, Canucks give up more goals? Why??? Because nobody on the team can replace those two on the PK.

Evidences shows Canucks win more with Sutter and Beagle

You're really cherry-picking here. Gaudette didn't play for several games during the Canucks' hot streak during October, to which Sutter and Beagle were no more than average contributors. The canucks averaged 3.5 goals/game in October.

And recently, obviously when a team loses it's two shutdown centremen at the same time it's going to hurt the team. As Beagle and Sutter have both missed the last 6 games where the canucks have gone 2-3-1 you're basically comparing the contributions of those two players against Gaudette's.

 

[4Twenty]

He has 25 shots in 19 games. I have no idea where you get this generalizations from

Because he has 54 attempts and from my eye test he seems to shoot rather than hope a pass can make it somewhere, I like that.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Gaudette will never ever score 30 goals. He is going to be better than Horvat? Wow just wow

Never said Gaudette is a better player than Bo but a 50-60 point center in the 5th round is a much better pick than a 60-70 point center in the top 10. And also I’m not convinced that Bo will always be better than Gauds. He is right now but Bo is trending down and Gauds is trending up big time.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Wow guys. So much underrating of Sutter and Beagle’s contributions to the PK.

Remember in October when the other teams PP often wouldn’t even get a chance to set up in our zone for the entire 2 minutes? That hasn’t happened since our two PKers have been out. Coincidence? Absolutely not. Having a top PK is so valuable.

 

[Ita]

Canucks are

10 6 3 with Sutter in the lineup
10 7 3 with Beagle in the lineup
8 8 3 with Gaudette in the lineup.

Guess what? When Sutter and Beagle are out, Canucks give up more goals? Why??? Because nobody on the team can replace those two on the PK.

Evidences shows Canucks win more with Sutter and Beagle

Without accounting for the teams that the Canucks played against, that’s an extremely crappy analysis.

The team may very well be better with Sutter and Beagle but the stats you are using to “prove” that is not very convincing.