Value of: Adam Fox (Canes)

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  1. cj19

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    What is the value of the right handed offensive defensemen Fox? It is intriguing because I believe he has not signed a contract yet and could become a UFA .... Maybe a team like Toronto trades for him and they convince him to sign with the Leafs...
     
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    Comparable prospect 1:1? Was a main piece, can't see Carolina giving him away. More likely they lose Faulk and TVR to make room for him.
     
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    Main piece? The Flames included him because he didn't want to sign there (or possibly not at all, it is a Harvard education afterall). That said he is 2 years from becoming a UFA, there is no rush in the Canes trading him.
     
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    I would call him more valuable than Ferland. Dougie would be the biggest piece from Calgary, but he definitely wasn't just a throw in.
     
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    A recent 3rd round pick refusing to sign with the club that owned his rights is worth more than a guy that just scored 21 goals.... yeah, you might want to guess again.
     
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    Wouldn't be shocked if 21 is his career high and he never breaks 20 again. He isn't bringing Monahan or Gaudreau with him for Carolina.

    All said and done, I think Fox will have the better career.
     
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    Doesn't make him more valuable. Teams don't pay a premium for a risk, if you honestly think Fox is more valuable than Ferland on the trade market either you are A) lying to yourself, or B) don't have a modicum of understanding of the trade market.
     
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    I doubt Canes will trade him
     
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    CAR mgmt is very, very high on Fox. They've mentioned they expect (more likely are cautiously optimistic) they'll be able to sign him at the end of Harvard's season. I don't see them giving him up for anything less than in some sort of package for a top 6 C or for a can't miss top 6 C/fwd prospect.

    If he doesn't sign after his season is over in 2019, I'd say all bets are off and he'd be dealt for less than his potential worth.
     
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    The canes just keep collecting good dmen
     
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    He wasn't a main piece. Even in the interview about the trade, Waddell said they were close with Hamilton/Ferland for Hanifin/Lindholm and wanted another small piece to even it out.
     
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    We think he wants to go in the Boston-NY area.
    He immediately wants to focus on Harvard.

    Fox is not likely to be an immediately available asset.
    If he's dealt to Rangers, I could see he might work w/club to do classes part time while getting ready to go pro, and schedule bulk of classes during off season.

    There is no immediate urgency for Canes to move; also they are the one team that has tons of RD.

    Decent or better value/potential that is enough quality and available now should be enough to get it done.

    Buchnevich for Fox + McKeown and potential pick later, conditional IF only if Fox does not sign w/NY.
     
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    Bern i am against trading Buch , that kid has a lot of potential and is very young .
     
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    Waddell said he wanted Fox, not a “small piece”. He was a big reason that trade happened.
     
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    That's how I interpreted it too. What Waddell said made it seem like adding Fox was a big part in finally getting the deal done.


    Waddell's own words here
     
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    Unsigned, he's worth dick. Signed, probably a late first or good middle six forward. Really wish we got more from him, but I'm sure with fox being coy to sign here made treliving hit the trigger.
     
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    True, he didn't say small piece, he said "we needed another piece".

    Still, He wasn't the "main piece" of the trade though which was what the poster stated. He may have been a good add that made it happen, but Hamilton and Ferland were the main pieces of that trade. Fox was the add that made it finally happen, but that was after Hamilton and Ferland were already part of it.
     
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    Fox looked pretty good this summer alongside peer-level competition, but there's some overrating going on here if we're talking about him being the main piece in a trade that involved Dougie Hamilton, or that the Canes would only take a top player in return.

    He's good and promising. That said, he's no more good and promising than a couple of dozen other young up-and-coming defensemen in 30 other systems.

    My guess is Waddell is working hard to get him signed, and if that falls through he will look to trade Fox's rights to a team that could move him to the NHL roster more quickly. Fox was pretty clear that he wanted a path to the NHL and Carolina is probably the worst place in the league for that, so it's not totally crazy that he could be moved again (and not for some king's ransom).
     
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    I'm not so sure we are that bad a place for him. We have two guys on the right side at the NHL level with two years left on their contract in Faulk and TvR. Everybody and their brother knows we've wanted to move Faulk and we are likely not resigning him. TvR could be one of the decent defensive pieces we leave open to Seattle for expansion if it happens after the 2019-2020 season as he will still be an RFA. That lines up very nicely for Fox to have an opening on the right side for the Canes after he completes his college eligibility. He certainly has the skill/game to outcompete McKeown and Martin at this point for that last spot. And by signing with the Canes when he finishes his time at Harvard, he can rapidly burn a year of his ELC and get to a bigger paycheck faster than anyone else out there.
     
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    His value is directly linked to his willingness to sign. So who the hell knows what he's worth.

    Probably not a lot.
     
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    I'd imagine that's the exact off-the-record conversation Waddell is having with Fox's agent. Basically saying, your guy will have a spot one way or another as long as he stays on the right track.
     
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    Sean Day today, for Adam Fox in a year or 2
     
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    Just stop. The hype train for Fox when he was on the flames was insane.

    But yeah. Now he's on another team and he's a throw in.
     
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    I think only one person really said he was a main piece (key word being "a main piece" (plural), not "the main piece" (singular)). You can make an argument that he was in fact a main piece given Waddell's words, who seems to imply he was basically the make or break part of the deal which would mean he was pretty important in getting the deal done.

    I guess we're just arguing semantics though. Obviously it's not a huge deal.
     
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    That does seem very semantic. If all three pieces were main pieces, what does “main piece” even mean?

    The main piece of the trade from Calgary’s side was clearly Hamilton. I don’t see how that can even be argued.
     

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