Adam Burt and Joel Quenneville

[JurassicPuck]

Specific players being Adam Burt and Joel Quenneville. Don't have a lot on them as players and best place to ask is here. Strengths and Weaknesses? Comparable Players? Player Types?

Edit - whoops Samuelsson was not supposed to be included

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[Iron Mike Sharpe]

Well, if you don't have much info on Samuelsson... I think I'll just make myself a big tub o' popcorn & wait for the answers to roll in.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Of all the defensemen in the NHL, Adam Burt was definitely one of them.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Yeah, Burt was not a particularly noteworthy player. Good size, good wheels, willing to fight a tree, decent defensively...but really, a pretty anonymous player...

 

[Rebels57]

When I think of Adam Burt, I think of Tie Domi and another Maple Leaf jumping him while he was with the Flyers and basically tag-teaming him like cowards..and then Luke Richardson showed up and Tie Domi literally hid behind another Leaf while Richardson was chasing. It was like something out of a cartoon watching Richardson chase Domi around. This happened back in 1999.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Here's a piece of unexpected Adam Burt trivia... he is now the team chaplain for the New York Jets.

Adam Burt, Senior Pastor | Every Nation New Jersey

 

[Pominville Knows]

Great player Samuelsson, anyways. It can never be a bad time to point out that he was a much needed guy at any point in history, even during the deepest Original Six era. Kinda like Claude Lemieux, even though Claude more often fought for his actions.

 

[seventieslord]

Of all the defensemen in the NHL, Adam Burt was definitely one of them.

Yeah, Burt was not a particularly noteworthy player. Good size, good wheels, willing to fight a tree, decent defensively...but really, a pretty anonymous player...

These posts really made me laugh, because I've always thought that Adam Burt was as anonymous as they come. I can't think of another player who got into 700 games who was less "known" than him.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Yeah, it's tough because you don't know what you don't know...I was going to be fine not ever hearing of Adam Burt again...but, alas...

Jeff Finley? Tyler Wright? I may have just made those guys up, I have no idea...

 

[GlitchMarner]

All I know is I wish Adam Burt had played on the same team as Adam Erne.

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

*drops popcorn*
How on earth did this turn into a discussion on Adam Burt?
C'mon guys, don't disappoint:
THE. KID. KNOWS. NOTHING. ABOUT. SAMUELSSON.

 

[Staniowski]

I remember when Adam Burt was in the OHL (played for North Bay), he was quite a big prospect. In his 16-year-old season he was identified as a possible/likely 1st rounder in the '87 draft. He was regarded as big, tough, and pretty talented. He played for the US in the World Juniors (in Piestany) as a 17 year old, along with fellow 17- year-olds Mogilny, Fedorov, Turgeon, Shanahan (and perhaps a couple others). He ended up being drafted in the 2nd round. He put up very good numbers as an 18 and 19 year old in junior, and as a 19 year old at the WJs.

 

[JurassicPuck]

*drops popcorn*
How on earth did this turn into a discussion on Adam Burt?
C'mon guys, don't disappoint:
THE. KID. KNOWS. NOTHING. ABOUT. SAMUELSSON.

I knew he was one of the dirtiest players of all time. All I could find at the time was just about all the nasty things he did on the ice. I did finally find more about about him then just being pest after which is why he wasn’t supposed to make it in here

 

[Theokritos]

Well, if you don't have much info on Samuelsson... I think I'll just make myself a big tub o' popcorn & wait for the answers to roll in.

*drops popcorn*
How on earth did this turn into a discussion on Adam Burt?
C'mon guys, don't disappoint:
THE. KID. KNOWS. NOTHING. ABOUT. SAMUELSSON.

Okay, we get it and so does the OP now. Enough of the Samuelsson talk. Adam Burt and Joel Quenneville are the topic(s) of the thread, full stop.

 

[seventieslord]

Yeah, it's tough because you don't know what you don't know...I was going to be fine not ever hearing of Adam Burt again...but, alas...

Jeff Finley? Tyler Wright? I may have just made those guys up, I have no idea...

Finley is another perfect example of a guy who was just there.

Tyler Wright, on the other hand, I remember him for whatever reason. He had 0 points in 61 games which is.... I mean, you really have to try to not get a point. And he was an Ok PK specialist. And became a fairly prominent part of the expansion jackets (17+ minutes twice, two 30+ point seasons). Also, I remember him being beaten up by Ladislav Kohn of the Leafs in a playoff game, which at least for me, adds to his notoreity.

 

[Randy Marsh]

Keith Jones once told me about a fight with Adam Burt. He called it the 'battle of the beaks'

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i remember adam burt as kind of like bret hedican. smooth skating but fairly generic second pair dman with little offensive ability despite obvious tools.

differences of course are burt’s size, hedican’s elite-level wheels (vs just really good for burt), longevity, and the quality of whaler/canes teams they toiled for. but both guys were just kind of there. no flash, no dash, no physicality, nothing.

 

[Chainshot]

Of all the defensemen in the NHL, Adam Burt was definitely one of them.

Burt was close with Peluso in their time in Carolina. They used to come in and order extra espresso shot mochas together on practice days. It always reminded me of this, with Burt as Chester:

 

[tony d]

From what I can remember Burt was a decent shutdown defenseman. Quenneville actually played with the St.John's Maple Leafs in the 90's. No one knew then he'd become one of the all best coaches.

 

[MS]

Burt was - as others have said - literally the most average, anonymous, boring #4-5 defender you can possibly imagine.

Quenneville was a cut above Burt - a pretty good #2-3 shutdown guy who had the misfortune of being the top defensive matchup guy on some very bad teams in Colorado/NJ/Hartford.

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

Adam Burt was as anonymous as they come.

So anonymous that, when I initially saw the thread-title, my first thought was of the campyBatmanTV-Show. [Adam West/Burt Ward.]

 

[SabbathBloodySabbath]

From Frank Brown & Sherry Ross's 1991-92 Hockey Scouting Report.

RD Adam Burt

THE FINESSE GAME
Burt moves with good agility and balance and is a finesse player who concentrates on his defense. He is not flashy and his offensive instincts aren't on a par with his talents. He has a powerful slap shot, handles the puck fairly well and sees some time on the power play. Rather than rush the puck, he will start a play with a good outlet pass.

With increased confidence, Burt could play more of an offensive role. He plays a smart defensive game. He is a better than average skater, possessing the mobility to be a defenseman who challenges skaters at the blue line. Burt sees the ice well and can dish off equally effectively to his right or left. He has a nice passing touch and also a good slap shot. He could develop into a good point man on the power play, given the playing time and some added confidence.

THE PHYSICAL GAME
Burt uses his body effectively in clearing players from in front of the net. He will take and give hits and is willing to play a tough game along the boards and in the corners. Burt can be overpowered by some of the NHL's bigger skater and needs to improve his upper body strength for his body to be able to do what his instincts tell him to. He is not a fighter. His skating agility and balance help his checking game and he plays a smart game positioning.

THE INTANGIBLES
Burt's major drawback has been his lack of confidence. He has a strong competitive spirit and work ethic. With more concentration on his strength and conditioning, he could become a solid everyday performer.

***

From Sherry Ross's 1994-95 Hockey Scouting Report.

LD Adam Burt

THE FINESSE GAME
Were it not for the injuries which forced him to miss a quarter of the season, Burt's season would have gone down into the books as his best. He was reliable night in and night out, he played a strong physical game, and he improved his ability to bring the puck out of the zone.

Burt was more involved offensively last season, but he hasn't yet tapped his full potential. He is used on the power play but it not a top-flight point man. Confidence is a major factor, and more experience should bump up his power play contributions this season.

An excellent one-on-one defender on a transition defense, Burt will strip the puck from a player using a poke check and stand up skaters at the blue line.

Burt has evolved into a pretty smart defenseman. He makes much better decisions with the puck and has limited his mental mistakes. He moves the puck smartly without creating opportunities for the opposing team -- once one of his grave weaknesses -- and has cut down on the turnovers.

THE PHYSICAL GAME
Big but not strong, Burt works hard off the ice to gain more upper body and leg strength. He does not consistently control his man along the wall, nor does he drive people off the puck as well as a player of his size should. Burt is aware that his team needs him to establish a more physical presence, and he combines a willingness to hit with the desire to build himself up so he can be a legimate thrasher.

A more uptempo physical game will give him more room to move, and more time to make better plays -- an asset, since his hand and foot speed is only average.

Fighting does not come naturally to Burt, but he will do it and hold his own in order to make a point or aid a teammate.

THE INTANGIBLES
Burt is a coach's favourite, since no one ever has to worry about whether or not he will show up every night. He does. He is never going to accumulate showy point totals -- 50 points in a healthy, full season should be his max -- but Burt will be a steady defenseman who can contribute in all zones. His attitude is upbear, and he is quick to learn and improve.[/

 

[MS]

From Frank Brown & Sherry Ross's 1991-92 Hockey Scouting Report.



***

From Sherry Ross's 1994-95 Hockey Scouting Report.

Uh. Saying in 1994 that a 25 y/o Adam Burt - coming off an 18 point season and with a career high of 24 points - could max out at 50 points in a healthy season is not a good scouting report. Yikes.