Speculation: Acquiring A Goalie

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  1. 1865

    1865 Fire Dave Hakstol Sponsor

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    So it's clear that this is where one of major problems lie. For me, we need to spend a little to bring in someone to hold the position with a degree of competency for two years until Hart can be the major player here.

    The only problem is....who? In any trade we'd have to give up a piece and send a goalie back you imagine. My thought goes to someone like Dell, Kuemper or Saros, or more experienced options like Miller, Reimer or....Mason?
     
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    I don't imagine Saros is on the table since Rinne is injured and old. Dell I could see (and would love). The rest are definitely better options but I wouldn't give up too much. We may just have to deal with it this season and hope that Hart is ready next year (and sign someone in the offseason just in case he's not).
     
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    Saros is the heir apparent in Nashville and Kuemper is meh. I am all-aboard the Dell train though.
     
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    Can't be serious. Besides a game here or there, our issues are not with goaltending. Elliot is capable and Neuvirth is capable. Giving up assets (picks-young players) to bring in a goalie that will also play poor games here and there is not the solution. They should be working out other defensive issues in the next two years in anticipation of Hart. Can't believe you think we need a Mason or Reimer, lol.
     
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    Mason has been the best goalie we've had in the past decade for my money. Meanwhile we're stuck with Elliott who is mid-to-low 20's in the starter rankings and Neuvirth absolutely cannot be relied upon to even play, let alone succeed. We have prospects coming out of the seams, it won't take much to bring over a Dell or Kuemper and it would stabilise our system for the defence to have some confidence in our goalie.

    If you're happy with our netminding then all power to you, but i can't understand how you don't even entertain the notion.
     
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    Mason can't play anymore. That's why he's out of the league.
     
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    Lol wut?
     
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    There are not many if any competent options available via trade and those who are short term plugs are no better than Elliot who is a short term bandaid himself.

    And with the bumpy start Carter Hart is having right now I'm not sure he will be the "major" player within 2 years either. Backup yes, being part of a 1A/1B tandem maybe, but everything on top of that would probably be too much to ask for.

    If everything goes wrong (which would be typical for Flyer Land) they will be looking to add someone for the next 3-5 years and have to give up assets.
     
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    I think we just need to accept that our goalie problem won't change until the kids take over. Who are we going to get? Is Dell/Kuemper our new savior? Of course not. What good team with an elite goalie is going to trade them right now? People need to face reality.
     
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    Start playing better team d and follow the coaches structure and Elliot and nuervy will be fine till line of Hart or sandstrom take over. No goalie will be good here except for a game or two here and there.
     
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    This is based on absolutely nothing but your hunch and I am willing to guess it is completely wrong in hindsight.

    Most top goalie prospects take a few months to settle in after turning Pro.

    The other top goalie prospect in the world, Ilya Samsonov, is going through the same thing in his first month in the AHL.
     
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    wut
     
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    You're off the case!
     
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    Stolie is probably gone after this season, as well as Elliott and Neuvirth. I could see Hextall acquiring a veteran starter this summer, Lyon being the backup, and then Hart and Sandstrom are the Phantoms goalies. Maybe Sandstrom is ready for NHL action before Hart? It wouldn't be that surprising.
     
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    Columbus isn't in sell mode, but I'd be calling about Bob every day.
     
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    They would want an outrageous price to trade him in division.

    Hextall could afford to offer him two years at $8m in the summer, though.
     
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    I think Dell would be better than what we have. He's no savior but I'd take him over our garbage every day of the week. I'd bring him in and call up Stolie (or **** even Lyon). Even if it still sucks I'd rather watch that duo than what we have. :laugh:
     
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    do you honestly believe that would be the best deal he would get this summer? We are talking about a 2 time vezina winner in the prime of his career coming to the FA market. That has never in the history of hockey ever happened before.
     
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    I would offer all available cap space to Bob if he’d be willing to go 2 years on the term.
     
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    It would take more than 8 and a willingness to blow up the free agency market, but I think there's a number he might take for 2 years if he liked it here.

    I believe the rumors were that his ask was long term approaching 10. I think you would have to get near 2/28-30. That's going to break the leaguewide salary structure, but it's workable as long as Sanheim and Konecny don't both break the bank and Patrick doesn't become an 8 year type Forward. It's still workable with 2 of those 3 assuming they don't do something stupid with Provorov.

    Where it will cost you is the ability to add a moderately-priced Defenseman. Not just Myers but also 2 or Morin, Hagg, and Friedman are going to have to be NHLers.
     
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    there is no agent in the world that is going to let him settle for a 30 million dollar deal, when there will be 60 million on the table.
     
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    If they wanted a goalie then they missed the boat for now I think

    Grubaeur was pretty much "the" option this summer.

    But honestly I don't think it matters too much who is in net if the PK continues to be so bad... all the goalies have fine EV stats but PK drags them down.

    Over his 4 seasons in Philly Mason was one of the best 5v5 goalies in the league... yet once PK was thrown in was a marginally above average starter.

    2013-17 5v5 sv leaders:

    Price: .938 sv%
    Holtby: .932 sv%
    Mason: .931 sv%
    Anderson: .931 sv%
    Crawford: .931 sv%
    Rask: .930 sv%
    Bobrovsky: .930 sv%
    Gibson: .929 sv%
    Dubnyk: .929 sv%
    Lundqvist: .928 sv%
     
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    3 yr deal for Bob to serve as a bridge to Hart
     
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    If that's how an agent thinks without running the numbers, he's not qualified for the job. It may make sense, it may not. 60 > 30 is not how this works.

    If he gets his ask of something like 6/10, he takes it unquestioned. If his offers are more like 6/48 or 5/50, then a 2 year basically max is at least worth considering. There's value in getting your money right away, especially in this tinderbox of a labor situation. I'm sure this would require a large portion of the money being paid in a bonus as well to even get his agent on the line.

    Of course none of this matters because no GM is going to blow up the leaguewide salary structure before a labor negotiation.
     
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