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Watch the highlights from last nights game...
I am not that interested. I am confident that a slash to the face is called everytime that an official sees it. They miss stuff like in all sports.
Watch the highlights from last nights game...
Or you know it makes them call the game the right way. What does money have to do with anything? You really don't think there are AHL refs and the like that would love to replace NHL refs who have hurt feelings because they have to give reasons for their quality of work?What do officials make a year? Think that guys are going to want to put up with that level of daily scrutiny from the public for what they earn?
what quality of people are you going to get to do that job moving forward?
I am not that interested. I am confident that a slash to the face is called everytime that an official sees it. They miss stuff like in all sports.
Refs call the game per instructions from the nhl. They want a crackdown on hooking or interference there will be lots of calls in the days and weeks following the memo.Or you know it makes them call the game the right way. What does money have to do with anything? You really don't think there are AHL refs and the like that would love to replace NHL refs who have hurt feelings because they have to give reasons for their quality of work?
So then why is Vegas getting so many PPs?Its the semi finals, it takes a f***in murder attempt to get a penalty at this point, this is how it is and always have been now quit crying Habs fans.
First the nhl needs to install helmet cameras on the officials. Should be small enough now to put them into the logo spot on the helmet.
Once you do that you get to see the official’s view of the play.
when evaluating performance watch the play starting around 10 seconds before it occurs and watch it once at regular speed. That’s how you judge if the right call was made or not and understand why it was or wasn’t made.
everything is different based on the angle that you get.
If you watch it, his stick hits Perry’s and rides up, at speed, with multiple players moving and skating in front of the ref, I can see how he may have thought that Marchessault hit the puck into Perry.It would be nice if a guy gets slashed in the face and is gushing blood everywhere that they would call a penalty.
I take it you think that each team should publish their evaluations of the players after every game? And that your performance at work should be made public after every day? Of course that doesn’t take into account that the way fans are, if a ref gets a bad report after one game he will get ripped to shreds after every one of his games after that.And make it public. Make it a stats page on NHL.com for everyone to see. Make individual game accuracy % ratings public as well. Give refs a game log with their stats just like players while you're at it.
Refs are not basketball players doing no look passes. Doubt that they are not looking at there the helmet is pointed. I expect that their focus is what is in the center of the camera. Like all of us hard to catch something that quick out of the corner of your eye to make the correct call.You do know that helmet cams only show what the helmet is pointed at, not where the eyes are looking.
If you watch it, his stick hits Perry’s and rides up, at speed, with multiple players moving and skating in front of the ref, I can see how he may have thought that Marchessault hit the puck into Perry.
I take it you think that each team should publish their evaluations of the players after every game? And that your performance at work should be made public after every day? Of course that doesn’t take into account that the way fans are, if a ref gets a bad report after one game he will get ripped to shreds after every one of his games after that.
A good referee is scanning the play, not just looking straight ahead at all times.Refs are not basketball players doing no look passes. Doubt that they are not looking at there the helmet is pointed. I expect that their focus is what is in the center of the camera. Like all of us hard to catch something that quick out of the corner of your eye to make the correct call.
that’s why any evaluation should be made at real speed. Because that’s all the official gets to make a call and the evaluation is being done knowing what is coming.
Tim Peel clearly rejects all of this. I'm not saying AHL refs are better but you clearly missed the point of my post anyways since you came back with the holstered they call it the way the NHL response.Refs call the game per instructions from the nhl. They want a crackdown on hooking or interference there will be lots of calls in the days and weeks following the memo.
ahl refs coming up, yeah that’s the solution. Cause they are clearly better.
unless you see the same angle the refs sees what can we really see? They used ref cams for the World Cup and I recall seeing Ekblad get blown up behind the net vs Finland I believe on the replays. Then they showed the ref cam angle and despite knowing it was coming, it’s almost a blur at real speed.
This is where I jump off board. I don't think about the refs much, and I don't like to think about them. The last thing I want to see each game is stats presented to me on how fair each ref is. I understand that some are better than others but the game is simply more enjoyable to watch the less I think about them. The NHL has all the data you're talking about, and I'd rather they didn't give it to us.
Let me preface this thread by saying I absolutely despise the poor reffing excuse that routinely gets thrown around. They are human and we can't expect a 100% accuracy out of them every night. Your team will inevitably benefit or be hindered by it at some point, and I think it typically balances out over the long term.
That being said, I feel like the NHL got off very easy after the whole Tim Peel incident. Game management isn't something new and I don't think anyone was exactly surprised when Peel openly admitted to it. But for it to be acknowledged out loud, it should have sparked a need for the NHL to makes things more transparent and reestablish confidence in its referees for the sake of preserving the appearance of fairness and impartiality. Instead, to quench the significant pressure coming from the media and fans alike, Tim Peel was made the sacrificial lamb. Beyond that, business as usual.
After last night's game between Vegas and Montreal, I've been wondering if the NHL had any sort of quality control about its referees and if so, how they are evaluated and if corrective measures are ever, if at all, implemented.
If we agree on the idea that game management shouldn't be a thing and that the rulebook should simply be called as it is; it is only natural that penalty minutes would tend to be uneven between two teams on any given night. That's something most people would probably agree to in theory, but that would be an incredibly hard pill to swallow for most rabid fans when their team gets the short end of the stick. Similar to how the Apple music shuffle isn't completely random by design to make it feel more random to us, I think some form of game management is needed to make things appear more fair to the fans.
I think the bigger issue lies within the more obvious penalties that don't get called because it's in overtime, and the weaker, made-up calls that only serve the purpose of evening up the scale. These are the calls, or non-calls, that I think hurt the fans' trust in referees the most. These are the calls for which I feel the referees should be held accountable. To be fair, they probably already are. I'd expect the NHL to already have a system in place to evaluate the refs performance. But I think there has to be transparency in that regard to restore, to a certain degree, confidence in the league.
My suggestion is this: it would seem fairly simple to implement a review committee that would evaluate both the calls and non-calls made by refs and translate that into an accuracy% metric on a game-to-game basis. Over a large enough sample size, the fairer, better performing refs would naturally come out on top and these are the ones that should be favored for games played on the bigger stage, notably the playoffs. Implement a passing grade and those that fail to reach a certain accuracy % over a given sample size would simply have to be let go.
And make it public. Make it a stats page on NHL.com for everyone to see. Make individual game accuracy % ratings public as well. Give refs a game log with their stats just like players while you're at it.
Would that be a good or a bad thing? Is reffing even an issue that needs to be addressed in your mind or has it always been that way throughout all sports and we just have to deal with it?
So you get rid of the worst refs.
Then you replace them with… AHL refs?
And when those guys are even worse, then what? More firings?
I think the bigger issue lies within the more obvious penalties that don't get called because it's in overtime, and the weaker, made-up calls that only serve the purpose of evening up the scale. These are the calls, or non-calls, that I think hurt the fans' trust in referees the most. These are the calls for which I feel the referees should be held accountable. To be fair, they probably already are. I'd expect the NHL to already have a system in place to evaluate the refs performance. But I think there has to be transparency in that regard to restore, to a certain degree, confidence in the league.
Game management and forced parity are both Bettmanisms. He's coming up on 30 years; he has to be on his way out pretty soon, one would hope.
Sorry for cherry picking a small part of your post, but I thought this section summed my response up best.
- The NHL isn’t experiencing a loss of confidence.
- There is a non public system in place evaluating the Referees performance.
- Making those Referee evaluations public is unlikely to improve whatever you want to define as “restore confidence in the league”.