A two part question about Parise, Michalek and Vanek

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  1. P Jiddy

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    I know that these are three good prospects but was wondering who is the most NHL ready right now assuming that there is an NHL season next year? The second part of my question is out of these three who will be the best point producing player (goals+assists) over their career? Again, I'm not looking for the best goal scorer or best play maker but the best overall point producer. Let me know what you think!
     
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    As far as being NHL ready, I would have to go with Michalek. Unfortunately, injuries cut his season short. Best point producer though, I would go with Vanek. I believe he has the most offensive skill, but Vanek needs to develop into a two way player (and sign a contract) before he gets much NHL ice time.
     
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    Michalek right now. He is also my favorite prospect of them all as well. He made the NHL this year and was showing that he was in for a great rookie year when injuries took him out.

    I still think Michaleks offensive game is very underrated, I think Vanek has the potential to put up more points but that depends on him. Myself I really think Michalek will put up more points than both. His offensive game is very underrated on these boards.
     
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    I don't know about developing into a two-way player, he'd get more if he does develop but he could get some decent NHL ice time before then.

    The rest of your post I agree with though, most NHL ready is Michalek and Vanek best point producer.
     
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    I will say that Michalek is the more ready prospect has he already play a ,ature game in the NHL but for the best point producer, I will say Parise. He have something that not every player have: Dedication to Hockey(kind of a lion heart)...

    Vanek will be a soft player with great mooves.
    Michalek will play a more two way game
    Parise will give all what he have and will score the more point of the three...

    The heart of a player is probably the most important thing for a player. See Marcel Hossa, he have so much skills but he don't have the heart to go with it so he may stay at the level he's acually when he could become a star...
     
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    Michalek will make the NHL next year, he made it last year but got injured in the second game and hasn't played since. I don't know how that'll affect his playing though i can speculate. Parise will get more points in his prime, he is offensively gifted and is hard to knock off the puck. Vanek, I suppose he'll be ok too.
     
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    I hope the best wing in NCAA hockey the last two years will be better than just "ok".
     
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    I don't think Vanek will be soft. He will most likely float alot, but he's not really soft.
     
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    Well that's why I "supposed" instead of confirming. I'm not spreading any hosannas on players I barely know. I know he had a greeat rookie campaigni in the NCAA (62 pts? in 45 gp?) and had decent follow-up. As for a reading, I couldn't give you an honest one.
     
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    He's a soft soft player, I saw him quite a bit this year. Local FSN. I also saw him twice this season live and watched him closely.

    Suter worked him. He get frustrated so easily, and he isn't strong on the puck at all.

    He's a soft player for a 6-2 200 pounder.
     
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    I have season tickets to the gophs, And Vanek is not soft. He crashes the net and will throw his weight around plays in fronf of the net on the PP. Not like a power forward but does do it. Yeah i am sure Suter did work himover and i am sure that Stuart from CC got him too. When a scorer is not scoring he should get mad and flustered. He also scored on those same guys. In 4 games against WI he had 4 goals and 3 assists so Suter couldn't have done to well. He scored on team Canada too. So it all depends on how you want to look at him. No one has shut him down on a consistant basis. As far as not being strong on the puck, I cant beileve you saw him and can say that. He is not only faster than most exept he guards the puck with his life. Usually draging someone with him. With that being said he has by far the most upside of those 3 and probally most any prospect. He does love to float. And needs work to have a complete game.
    As far as being most HNL ready i have to go with Mickalek. It seems a lot of NCAA guys start off good, hit a wall, then slowly pick it up. Vanek lead the worlds in scoring then when he didn't have a week off after 2 games he started to slide. I see the same for Parise, hit a wall then gradually get better.
     
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    He isn't a Marshmellow, but for a 6-2 200 plus he is. I would love to see him be more competitive when the puck isn't 10 feet or closer to him.
     
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    While it is clear cut that Michalek is the most NHL ready there still is not a good consensus on who the best point producer will be in this trio. So I will ask again: Who will be the best point producer over their career: Michalek, Parise or Vanek. No one has really stepped up and made it clear. If all three are close let me know. If someone thinks one guy is a step above the others explain why. If someone has watched all three play let me know their strengths and what factors will make them succeed in the NHL. Thanks for the help!!
     
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    All three players are close for long term, all three have elite skill. Most points though, I have a hunch it's going to be Parise. But all three are very close.
     
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    Vanek is actually tougher than he is given credit for. I have litterally watched him carry a 200 lb defenseman on his back while making moves to the net with the puck. The guy is an absolute bull in terms of his strength.

    Vanek is not a soft player. He doesn't initiate contact and grind like a typical forward with his size but to question his toughness is unfair. He takes more abuse on the ice than just about any college player I have seen over many years of watching college hockey. If 99% of players took the hacking that Vanek does in a typical college game, they'd get frustrated too.

    The problem is the referees in college (specifically the WCHA) do not do a very good job of cutting down on the stick work of less talented players against the most talented players. This is a problem that clearly needs to be addressed on all levels but college really needs to look at it.

    Rumor has it that one of the big reasons New Jersey signed Parise when they did was because he got hacked too much in college and NJ was concerned that refs were not calling the game carefully enough and they wanted to protect their "property". And Parise took about 50% of the stick work that Vanek does in a typical game.
     
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    How about a non biased view for Vanek and Parise. I have been searching on college boards long enough to know that Minny fans hate Parise and UND fans hate Vanek. Both are biased beyond wildest beliefs. The new fancy between the two colleges is Zajac or Chucko :)
     
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    Vanek looks to me like a guy that will boom or bust. Max (X-Sharkie) is wrong in that he's soft; if there's anybody I wouldn't call soft, it's Vanek. He fights his way to net, often dragging the opposition with him, and is marked mercilessly by the opposition, yet he continues to score. My problem with him is that he has no idea of where he should be on the defensive side of the ice (positional problems) and he doesn't seem to have any desire to get there anyways. Also, the red line will hamper his ability to get free in the NHL, along with bigger, faster players. He even wavers in his desire to play the offensive side of the rink, as he floats looking for open space. Of course, Brett Hull also floats offensively, and Gretzky wasn't known for his defensive play ore acumen in the offensive zone, either. If Vanek sticks on a top line, he could end up being a 80-90-point guy. If not, think Brendl.

    Parise seems to me like a 2nd line C. Think a smaller version of Rod Brind'Amour. Very, very complete, though just a hair short of superstardom. He could ride coat tails (and with Elias in NJ, that's a distinct possibility) to a big year, but I'd figure on a safe 50-60 points every year if he can stay healthy. He seems like a very safe pick, and while I generally don't like those, when NJ makes a pick like that, there's no question that there was a reason behind it.

    While I live in SJ, I'm not a Sharks fan. That said, I'm aboard the Michalek bandwagon, and was probably one of the first on these boards to jump. I figure any number of folks from the SJ board will vouch for me on that one. So I won't have a very unbiased opinion, and I'll keep it to myself.

    ~Crazed.
     
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    So Vanek gets outscored by Parise in the same league but puts up 30 points more per season then Parise.....Don't joke yourself, Parise has the potential to be a superstar just as Vanek has. Saying Parise will be a 50-60 point player is kindof a slap in the face considering how he did in prep school, college, WJC.
     
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    You know Brian Bonin and Kip Miller out scored both players in the NCAA. Vanek has a more pro style game. He proved what he can do against older players in the adult world championship. Parise did it against junior type guys. And from what i read at the start of the world championships Vanek looked better than he did in the junior championships. I love my gophs but no one on our team is on his level of play for him to get the max from his potential. In the NHL Vanek IMO will produce more. Parise's value will come in hustle, leadership, providing a spark(would probally fight a guy to get his team going), and he uses his speed on defense. I do not think Mike Modano ever out scored Jaromir Jagr. But i would want Modano on my team.
     
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    I disagree, Vanek's mold is more NHL suitable but his game is not near as polished as Parise's which will ease Parise's transition. He can be used as a defensive center getting PK time, PP specialist, or a scoring line center. Vanek looked good at the Worlds because the rest of his team sucked so bad. You wouldn't notice his defensive lapses because his whole team didn't really show up defensivly.
     
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    Why don't you just ask for non biased views of those who feel Parise will be an All Star and Vanek a bum if that is really what you are looking for?
     
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    I think his initial point was just because one guy outscores another at the college level does not mean his better scoring prowess translates into the pro game. I dont think there is a whole lot of doubt that Parise is as good or better a scorer at the college level, but the scouts/GM's obviously thought Vaneks upside offensive potential was far superiour when one looks at their respective draft positions, particularly when it is widely accepted that Parise (if he or they both make it) will bring more defensivly to the NHL game then will Vanek.
     
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    My point was more about Parise being much closer to Vanek offensivly then people in this thread are giving him credit for.
     
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    I agree Vanek has more offensive potential but I don't agree Parise's max offensive potential is limited to a 2nd line center who posts 50-60 points. That is an insult to what Parise has accomplished up till this date.
     
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    Isn't Parise a little overhyped? Yeah, he has a well rounded game, but so did Derek Roy in the CHL and you don't see everyone running around saying "Roy is gonna be a superstar".

    But Regier drafted Roy and not Lou. And MacGuire questioned picking Roy so early, but he praised picking Parise so late.
     
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