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Adam Courchaine I heard is a brutal skater but led the Giants in points...I wonder what his case is...
Me i saw Claude Lemieux at 17 and he was a worse skater than Lascer (by far) but he played some games in NHL. I don't think you can give a final judgement at this age!!!!! I saw a big improvement only in few months. I prefer a player in progression. He performed very well in second half and playoffs (not this weekend) when the play is tougher, it's a good indication for me!!!!


Lascek has hands to pass no doubt ( 40 assists in 57 games) and great vision of play. You can teach how to skate but not vision !!!!!!
 

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Steber was playing with 2 16 year old rookies who are very poor defensivly, and the Mooseheads allowed 100 more goals than they scored, you cant really look at +/- as the whole team had a bad +/-

Steber is big, and can skate and that makes him nice for pro scouts. Those are the facts.

Cabana is well liked by a lot of teams because he is a solid All-around player. he will never score a lot of points but he is there on the PK, and is already a leader despite being 17. And he was chosen to play on the U17 and U18 Canada teams and is the only QMJHL player on the U18 team so i think he is doing something right.

Players like Lascek come around too often. CHL scorers but they dont have anything attractive to offer to NHL scouts. Those are the facts.

And there is NO way Lascek is 6'01.

Chicoutimi also lists Verrault-Paul at 5'09 but he is 5'07, and Elayoubi at 6'00 when he is 5'10. So dont trust the sizes they list.

Lascek has been second scorer for Slovakia in U18 tournament in August against the best U18 teams in the world!!!! He has been invite too for the tournament like Cabana but Chicoutimi is in playoff!!!!!
 

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Lascek has been second scorer for Slovakia in U18 tournament in August against the best U18 teams in the world!!!! He has been invite too for the tournament like Cabana but Chicoutimi is in playoff!!!!!

Yeah i wasnt comparing Cabana to Lascek there buddy, youre the one that brought it up!!

Cabana makes a better pro prospect for the reasons i stated above. You can argue until your face turns blue but you cant convince NHL scouts that a 5'10 choppy skater with hands will be a high draft pick.

Corey Locke was a 4th rd pick and he scored 3 times as many pts as Lascek and is a better skater.

I dont make the rules.
 

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Yeah i wasnt comparing Cabana to Lascek there buddy, youre the one that brought it up!!

Cabana makes a better pro prospect for the reasons i stated above. You can argue until your face turns blue but you cant convince NHL scouts that a 5'10 choppy skater with hands will be a high draft pick.

Corey Locke was a 4th rd pick and he scored 3 times as many pts as Lascek and is a better skater.

I dont make the rules.

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Yeah i wasnt comparing Cabana to Lascek there buddy, youre the one that brought it up!!

Cabana makes a better pro prospect for the reasons i stated above. You can argue until your face turns blue but you cant convince NHL scouts that a 5'10 choppy skater with hands will be a high draft pick.

Corey Locke was a 4th rd pick and he scored 3 times as many pts as Lascek and is a better skater.

I dont make the rules.


Yeah you mesure him?????? He's 6' minimun and i only argued that he will be drafted in front of Cabana because Cabana did'nt show big improvement and numbers!!!!! How many PK specialist are drafted in first 4th round?????

Mesurements from Halifax are right but not at Chicoutimi Why????? You decide this!!!!!

And just a note about Laliberté from ISS:

FALLING: (February)


David Laliberte / P.E.I. (QMJHL)

Position: R.Wing Height: 6’1†Weight: 175



To say Laliberte is struggling to get on track offensively would be an understatement. Last season he looked to be one of the top '86 prospects from the QMJHL. Less than a year later, however, it would appear we overestimated his offensive abilities.
 

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I dunno these guys, but I wonder why you battle for his size. The LHJMQ website lists him at 6'01". So he is prolly at 6'01"!!

Why does La-La-Laprise always post he is 5'10"?

just wondering.
 

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Lunaris said:
I dunno these guys, but I wonder why you battle for his size. The LHJMQ website lists him at 6'01". So he is prolly at 6'01"!!

Why does La-La-Laprise always post he is 5'10"?

just wondering.

Because the league always posts sizes wrong, its not a new thing.

When you see him on the ice he doesnt look 6'01
 

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Yeah you mesure him?????? He's 6' minimun and i only argued that he will be drafted in front of Cabana because Cabana did'nt show big improvement and numbers!!!!! How many PK specialist are drafted in first 4th round?????

Mesurements from Halifax are right but not at Chicoutimi Why????? You decide this!!!!!

And just a note about Laliberté from ISS:

FALLING: (February)


David Laliberte / P.E.I. (QMJHL)

Position: R.Wing Height: 6’1†Weight: 175



To say Laliberte is struggling to get on track offensively would be an understatement. Last season he looked to be one of the top '86 prospects from the QMJHL. Less than a year later, however, it would appear we overestimated his offensive abilities.


I will bet you 9 million dollars that Cabana goes well before Lascek.

NEWSFLASH for ya....CHL stats dont decide when players get drafted. Tanguay had 85 pts and Mike Riberio had 160!! who went first? Please tell me!!

Maybe you are too bias to see Lascek's downfalls but he is slow, and weak phsyically, and even if he was 6'01 he gets pushed around against rougher teams. Maybe he can avoid hits on the international ice in Sag-town but he cant hide on normal sized ice.

Cabana and Laliberte have all around games, what part of that dont you understand? They are more attractive to NHL clubs because they can actually play an NHL style. They can hit, take faceoffs, PK and play an ALL AROUND game. Lascek can score at the CHL level but nothing ive seen of him leads me to believe he will be a good NHLer.

Its not my fault that Cabana and Laliberte are being sought after more than Lascek. Its the way life works. Why do you think Brent Burns was a 1st round pick? Because he is a complete player who isnt a defensive liabilty.

You can keep argueing with me back and forth but nothing you say will make me, or any NHL scout change their minds about Cabana vs. Lascek.
 

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I will bet you 9 million dollars that Cabana goes well before Lascek.

NEWSFLASH for ya....CHL stats dont decide when players get drafted. Tanguay had 85 pts and Mike Riberio had 160!! who went first? Please tell me!!

Maybe you are too bias to see Lascek's downfalls but he is slow, and weak phsyically, and even if he was 6'01 he gets pushed around against rougher teams. Maybe he can avoid hits on the international ice in Sag-town but he cant hide on normal sized ice.

Cabana and Laliberte have all around games, what part of that dont you understand? They are more attractive to NHL clubs because they can actually play an NHL style. They can hit, take faceoffs, PK and play an ALL AROUND game. Lascek can score at the CHL level but nothing ive seen of him leads me to believe he will be a good NHLer.

Its not my fault that Cabana and Laliberte are being sought after more than Lascek. Its the way life works. Why do you think Brent Burns was a 1st round pick? Because he is a complete player who isnt a defensive liabilty.

You can keep argueing with me back and forth but nothing you say will make me, or any NHL scout change their minds about Cabana vs. Lascek.

Ok i keep this post and we will speak again about this after the draft!!!!!

P.S. Ribeiro doest play with Sakic or Forsberg.....
 

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Ok i keep this post and we will speak again about this after the draft!!!!!

P.S. Ribeiro doest play with Sakic or Forsberg.....

Ok sure keep it.

PS: Neither did Tanguay when he was drafted

Tanguay went 12th overall in 1998, Riberio went in the 3rd round. 97/98 Tanguay had 85 pts and Ribiero had much more. That was my point. More pts doesnt equal being drafted higher.
 

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La-La-Laprise said:
Ok sure keep it.

PS: Neither did Tanguay when he was drafted

Tanguay went 12th overall in 1998, Riberio went in the 3rd round. 97/98 Tanguay had 85 pts and Ribiero had much more. That was my point. More pts doesnt equal being drafted higher.

Yea, I don't think Colorado's about to deal Tanguay to Montreal for Ribeiro any time soon.
 

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First Ribeiro was 2d round draft pick and if you look at the players in front of him in this draft only few are better . Many others had less pts in junior and they are worse!!!! Your rule is not perfect. For example Rico Fata!!!!


http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1998e.html

That's not the point.........You are completely missing it unfortunately.

The point is, putting up big numbers is only a part of the puzzle that NHL scouts look at. Essentially they want to look at first and fore most, how that player is going to adapt to playing professional hockey.

If Lascek is an extremely slow skater, not a huge guy, and not very physical. Then well, he's not going to get drafted very high.

Laprise brought up the Corey Locke situation. Locke is a top 3 talent in the OHL, and was already last year when he got drafted. He lasted till the 4th round because he's not big, he's not quick, and he's not overly physical.

The point is, is that it doesnt matter how many points you score, if the NHL scouts think that you don't have a hope in hell of playing in the NHL (see Patrick Thoresen)
 

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BROCK - Thanx for helping me prove my point :)

Much appreciated.

Sags96:

And about the Riberio vs Tanguay arguement. Tanguay is faster, bigger and plays in traffic, and he had 85 pts. Riberieo back then was slow, small and had more RAW SKILL THAN TANGUAY, and put up 125 pts.

But Raw skill can only take you sao far. Mikey finally realized what it took to play in the NHL and I congratulate him on that.

It was the same reason Brad Richards droped in the 98 draft. He was smaller and not that great a skater. But he proved he could play with what god gave him, which was tremendous hockey sense and raw talent.

Now im not saying Lascek sucks, but he just isnt as attractive to NHL scouts for the same reasons why Richards, Locke and Riberio dropped in teh draft. And Lascek doesnt have as much raw talent as those 3 guys. So logic would say he will be picked in rounds 6-9.
 

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BROCK - Thanx for helping me prove my point :)

Much appreciated.

Sags96:

And about the Riberio vs Tanguay arguement. Tanguay is faster, bigger and plays in traffic, and he had 85 pts. Riberieo back then was slow, small and had more RAW SKILL THAN TANGUAY, and put up 125 pts.

But Raw skill can only take you sao far. Mikey finally realized what it took to play in the NHL and I congratulate him on that.

It was the same reason Brad Richards droped in the 98 draft. He was smaller and not that great a skater. But he proved he could play with what god gave him, which was tremendous hockey sense and raw talent.

Now im not saying Lascek sucks, but he just isnt as attractive to NHL scouts for the same reasons why Richards, Locke and Riberio dropped in teh draft. And Lascek doesnt have as much raw talent as those 3 guys. So logic would say he will be picked in rounds 6-9.

Last word for me: i never said Lascek will be first or second round draft pick , i only said he will be draft before Cabana, Steber and Laliberté .....wait and see!!!!!

And i don't take drugs!!!!!!
 

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Last word for me: i never said Lascek will be first or second round draft pick , i only said he will be draft before Cabana, Steber and Laliberté .....wait and see!!!!!

And i don't take drugs!!!!!!

Not even crystal meth?

You have your opinion. I guess we'll see on Draft day. I could see him going ahead of Steber, I'll admit that because I really don't seen anything in him. But Cabana and Laliberte are the type of players NHL teams are going to seriously consider in the second and third rounds when they may be looking at more of a safer pick.
 

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Brock said:
Not even crystal meth?

You have your opinion. I guess we'll see on Draft day. I could see him going ahead of Steber, I'll admit that because I really don't seen anything in him. But Cabana and Laliberte are the type of players NHL teams are going to seriously consider in the second and third rounds when they may be looking at more of a safer pick.

Yeah exactyl because Cabana and Laliberte already play pro level defense and both have been taught by defensive coaches for the last 2 years.

Obviosuly they dont have the offensive upside of some, but that doesnt count in the draft.

Good call Brock.
 

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Yeah exactyl because Cabana and Laliberte already play pro level defense and both have been taught by defensive coaches for the last 2 years.

Obviosuly they dont have the offensive upside of some, but that doesnt count in the draft.

Good call Brock.

Lascek plays good defensively too and he had one of the best +/- in the team. He's not one dimention player. But he can play good in offensive. Why not?????
 

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I thought Cabana looked like a less offensive Simon Gagne. He has great wheels and plenty of offensive potential. Next year on a very talented team will show what Cabana is truely capable of. I had Cabana going 3rd round I think or maybe late 2nd when I passed in my list for a mock draft.
 

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When Gagne played in the Q he was pretty much like every other Q forward, smallish, fast and good offensivly. He developed his 2 way game when he made the NHL.

Cabana came into the Q already knowing how to play defense.

In my opinion they are very different, but everyone has their own opinion.

Cabana is a bull dog and an agitater, he will never be a highly offensive player but he will be a player that every team needs, a 3rd liner with some spunk who isnt afriad when he is on the ice.
 

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La-La-Laprise said:
When Gagne played in the Q he was pretty much like every other Q forward, smallish, fast and good offensivly. He developed his 2 way game when he made the NHL.

Cabana came into the Q already knowing how to play defense.

In my opinion they are very different, but everyone has their own opinion.

Cabana is a bull dog and an agitater, he will never be a highly offensive player but he will be a player that every team needs, a 3rd liner with some spunk who isnt afriad when he is on the ice.
I am more less comparing Gagne now to Cabana in the Q. I can't honestly say I seen much of Gagne in the Q, I didn't really care about junior hockey back then.
 

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Cabana is more a **** disturber, i honestly dont think he has a high offensive ceiling.

at 18 next year im expecting 60 pts. 19 maybe 70.

I dont see him scoring a boatload, but he is a complete player.
 

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La-La-Laprise said:
Cabana is more a **** disturber, i honestly dont think he has a high offensive ceiling.

at 18 next year im expecting 60 pts. 19 maybe 70.

I dont see him scoring a boatload, but he is a complete player.

I know it's not important for you but tonight Chicoutimi beated Cap Breton 4-3 in overtime and Lascek has 4 assists. Only luck!!! :D


And look at this: http://www.lhjmq.qc.ca/lang_fr/inde...f&seasonSubType=&report=PlayersLeadersGeneral

I like this kind of incomplete player.

P.S. He played against Guénette tonight Lasck is taller and Guénette is 6'.
 

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I am looking at some names on the Wordl Under 18 championships and an 88 born is sticking out. If any euro scout could give me an opinion on this guy I would love it.

Michael Frolik for Czech Republic
 
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