'95-'96 to '05-'06 Forsberg vs '06-'07 to '15-'16 Crosby

Forsberg vs Crosby


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bobholly39

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Crosby will go down as the 5th greatest player of all-time. Maybe some disagree and have him 7th or 8th or whatever - but he's certainly in the running for 5th. And the biggest reason why is his consistency throughout his prime (so those specific years).

In every single season he played here, he was either the best player, or in contention for being the best player. Entering any of those seasons - there's not a single season on this list where if you ask any GM across the league "if you could take only one player going into next season for one season only, who do you take" where majority don't pick Crosby #1, most of the time unanimously. (maybe on an exceptional basis he finishes behind Ovi once or twice). He was just as good in the playoffs, as he was in the regular season in that stretch.

Forsberg - he might be in the top 50 of all-time. On a recent top 100 listed made on the history forum, he finished 51st for example.

If I ask the similar question, "going into every season, for one year only pick one player who do you pick" - I'd argue Forsberg finishes outside the top 5 players picked more often then he finishes in the top 5. Compared to Crosby, #1 probably every year, most of the time probably unanimously, and at the very most #2 once or twice.

Also - Forsberg is one player who actually makes Crosby's injured prime look good.

This should be unanimous.
 

TheGuiminator

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Since Forsberg only had 6 « relatively healthy « seasons to Crosby’s 7 during that time frame, let’s compare both 6 best seasons (in those time frames) :


Crosby 2006-07Forsberg 2002-03Best player/better season
- Hart
- Art Ross
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- 122 Ajusted points
- Hart
- Art Ross
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- Assists leader
- 118 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2013-14Forsberg 1998-99Best player/better season
- Hart
- Art Ross
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- Assists leader
- 116 adjusted points
- 7th Hart voting
- 1st AST
- 4th points leader
- 2nd assist leader
- 110 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2009-10Forsberg 1995-96Best player/better season
- Rocket Richard
- 2nd AST
- 3rd Hart voting
- 2nd points leader
- 117 Ajusted points
- 5th points leader
- 4th assists leader
- 112 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2012-13Forsberg 1997-98Best player/Better season
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- Hart Runner-up
- PPG leader
- 3rd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 106 adjusted points (..over 82 games??)
- 1st AST
- 2nd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 8th Hart voting
- 105 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2015-16Forsberg 1996-97Best player/Better season
- 1st AST
- Hart Runner-up
- 3rd points leader
- 96 adjusted points
- Selke Runner-up
- 11th Hart voting
- 89 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2008-09Forsberg 2000-01Best player/Better season
- 3rd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 6th Hart voting
- 106 adjusted points
- 11th Selke voting
- 95 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
No need to compare their partial seasons, I think Crosby has the edge there too. After doing this exercice, I’m actually surprised that Crosby is 6-0 (!). I was expecting maybe one or two seasons where Forsberg would have a slight edge but total domination for Crosby

That said, Crosby was clearly better during those respective time frames and it’s not even close.
 
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Forsberg had very similar production to Crosby in a much lower scoring era, so you could argue he was better att scoring points. Forsberg had a much more complete game too, with considerably better physicality, defense and work ethic. I don’t see how taking Forsberg is controversial at all, he is a top 20-10 player of all time.
I agree with the last statement for sure. I’d refer you to this post, though:
Since Forsberg only had 6 « relatively healthy « seasons to Crosby’s 7 during that time frame, let’s compare both 6 best seasons (in those time frames) :


Crosby 2006-07Forsberg 2002-03Best player/better season
- Hart
- Art Ross
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- 122 Ajusted points
- Hart
- Art Ross
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- Assists leader
- 118 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2013-14Forsberg 1998-99Best player/better season
- Hart
- Art Ross
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- Assists leader
- 116 adjusted points
- 7th Hart voting
- 1st AST
- 4th points leader
- 2nd assist leader
- 110 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2009-10Forsberg 1995-96Best player/better season
- Rocket Richard
- 2nd AST
- 3rd Hart voting
- 2nd points leader
- 117 Ajusted points
- 5th points leader
- 4th assists leader
- 112 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2012-13Forsberg 1997-98Best player/Better season
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- Hart Runner-up
- PPG leader
- 3rd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 106 adjusted points (..over 82 games??)
- 1st AST
- 2nd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 8th Hart voting
- 105 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2015-16Forsberg 1996-97Best player/Better season
- 1st AST
- Hart Runner-up
- 3rd points leader
- 96 adjusted points
- Selke Runner-up
- 11th Hart voting
- 89 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2008-09Forsberg 2000-01Best player/Better season
- 3rd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 6th Hart voting
- 106 adjusted points
- 11th Selke voting
- 95 adjusted points
Crosby
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
No need to compare their partial seasons, I think Crosby has the edge there too. After doing this exercice, I’m actually surprised that Crosby is 6-0 (!). I was expecting maybe one or two seasons where Forsberg would have a slight edge but total domination for Crosby

That said, Crosby was clearly better during those respective time frames and it’s not even close.
 
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Nathaniel

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Forsberg had very similar production to Crosby in a much lower scoring era, so you could argue he was better att scoring points. Forsberg had a much more complete game too, with considerably better physicality, defense and work ethic. I don’t see how taking Forsberg is controversial at all, he is a top 20-10 player of all time.
In no reality is Forsberg a top 20 player of all time. Maybe top 50
 

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I agree with the last statement for sure. I’d refer you to this post, though:

That says more about the players they were competing with, than it says about Forsberg and Crosby as actual players.
 

TheGuiminator

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Forsberg had very similar production to Crosby in a much lower scoring era, so you could argue he was better att scoring points. Forsberg had a much more complete game too, with considerably better physicality, defense and work ethic. I don’t see how taking Forsberg is controversial at all, he is a top 20-10 player of all time.

Crosby also played the bulk of his career in a low scoring era (2007-08 to 2016-17) which was basically the Dead puck era 2.0 and on top of that he had a better offensive production than Forsberg while playing more game (1,29 PPG vs 1,27 in their respective dead puck era time frame).

I don’t know how Forsberg’s overall game was THAT much better than Crosby’s? Forsberg’s defensive game had the physical aspect of it I’ll give you that but Crosby’s defensive game is just as much effective, just less spectacular.
 
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Lemieux
Crosby
Gretzky
Roy
Hasek
Orr
Howe
Ovechkin
Bourque
Lafleur
Mikita
Harvey
Lidstrom
Beliveau
Richard
Mcdavid
Messier
Bobby Hull
Bobby Clarke
Potvin

I could keep going

Ovechkin
Bourque
Mikita
Harvey
Lidstrom
Beliveau
Mcdavid
Messier
Bobby Clarke
Potvin

Are absolutely not better, not a chance. Here in Sweden, most hockey fans rate Forsberg considerably higher than Lidström, and it isn't much of a discussion.
 
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bobholly39

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Ovechkin
Bourque
Lafleur
Mikita
Harvey
Lidstrom
Beliveau
Mcdavid
Messier
Bobby Clarke
Potvin

Are absolutely not better, not a chance. Here in Sweden, most hockey fans rate Forsberg considerably higher than Lidström, and it isn't much of a discussion.

Surprised you didn't also include Gretzky in your list.
TBH - you may as well have...
 
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AB13

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Surprised you didn't also include Gretzky in your list.
TBH - you may as well have...

That is a massive overexagerration. I could see the argument for Lafleur, but argue any other one and I will say why I disagree.
 

AB13

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Crosby was the better scorer in every season, while on weaker teams?

Higher on the scoring charts does not mean better scorer, that is to do with competition. Unless you consider Jaime Benn to have had a better scoring season in 14-15 than McDavid had last year. The main argument for Forsberg is not to do with scoring either, Forsberg comparable scoring and was ahead in almost any other aspect.
 

bobholly39

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I thought I did. Didn’t realize. That’s rather obvious regardless

I quoted his list, not yours. Ie - if he believes Forsberg is better than all those guys, he may as well also include being better than Gretzky too

That is a massive overexagerration. I could see the argument for Lafleur, but argue any other one and I will say why I disagree.

Clearly. Forsberg is a fringe top 50 player of all time. All of those players you listed are clearly better than him (McDavid soon to be, still young).
 

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Patiently waiting for the Ovechkin fanatics to respond to the statement that “Ovechkin is definitely not better than Forsberg.”
No need for any of us to come in and care about a statement like that.

Both lead league in points only once, Forsberg did /gp twice, whereas Ovi did it 3 times in a row. Then we start talking about goals and just.... yeah it's not even close to an argument. Just as Crosby > Forsberg isn't an argument, because Crosby is clearly better.
 
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