Post-Game Talk: #70: Capitals at FLYERS, Thursday, Mar. 14, 2019, 7:00 p.m. ET

[Striiker]

Yeah, but even though they were last in the league and are now fighting for a playoff spot, the Flyers played better under Hak.

Well of course because Hakstol was a flawless coach. No other coach (or human being on this entire planet) can compare to his leadership, development skills, and intelligence.

 

[1865]

Not sure, probably not.

But that doesn’t make him destined to be one, either.

Of course not, but you've got to assume he improves over the next decade. Defensemen peak these days in the early 30's and he's in his early 20's. We're arguing whether he's a #1 now, this suggests that if he isn't now, he'll probably become one in time without injury problems.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

That pairing played just fine against the Islanders twice, and the penguins in recent history as well.

Sometimes, you just play a better team, and some nights, you just dont have it. One game should hardly be your measuring stick, but do you.

If you think they can seriously compete to win the East next season with a top pair of Provorov-Sanheim, I strongly disagree, but, as you said, you do you.

 

[Stizzle]

I called it two months ago...

This board is pathetic and predictable sometimes.

The gremlins and leeches on this board do this for every prospect. It will never end. More or less, every young player has been exactly as advertised by the real prospect watchers here. From Gostisbehere, Sanheim, Lindblom, right on down the list.

These players have only been free from the shackles of Dave Hakstol for a few months and have already made incredible leaps. It's likely many will keep improving if a legitimate coaching staff is put in place. Obviously, there will be ups and downs. Especially for A 20 YEAR OLD GOALTENDER PLAYING IN THE DAMN NHL.

Filtering out noise is the key to being informed. On this board or anywhere else in life. I highly recommend using the ignore function provided by this forum. I use it a lot. It saves time and frustration.

 

[Starat327]

If you think they can seriously compete to win the East next season with a top pair of Provorov-Sanheim, I strongly disagree, but, as you said, you do you.

I dont know, i watched the penguins win the cup with a Dumoulin - Hainsey top pairing. But you're probably right - having a Sanheim -Provorov top pair probably disqualifies them right out of the gate. Especially when you consider neither one of them could get any better by next year.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Of course not, but you've got to assume he improves over the next decade. Defensemen peak these days in the early 30's and he's in his early 20's. We're arguing whether he's a #1 now, this suggests that if he isn't now, he'll probably become one in time without injury problems.

Would you happen to have a source on this? Every study on aging curves I’ve seen for Defenseman that accounts for Survivor Bias in any way would strongly disagree with that.

 

[Rebels57]

I called it two months ago...

This board is pathetic and predictable sometimes.

It never ever fails and people will never ever learn.

 

[freakydallas13]

Hart is a 20 year old goalie coming off an injury and thrown our there against the defending champs. I was more concerned about how the team infront of him played (although that defensive play ghost made in the second that led to JVR's goal was incredible to watch).

He'll be fine.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Hart wasn't very bad last night, the team in front of him was ass. Not a concern at all to me.

If there's a young player I'm starting to seriously worry about it's Provorov. I don't know if it's overwork or what, but he was Andrew MacDonald on about half of his shifts last night. He still has all the things that make him good, he's just not displaying them all at once in consecutive games, and hasn't all year.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The Islanders aren’t in the same stratosphere as teams like Tampa & Washington, btw. If the best the Flyers needed to go through to win the East was NYI, then you might be able to get away with a top pair of Provorov-Sanheim. Alas, that isn’t the case. And I don’t want to roll the dice that one of them suddenly turns into Victor Hedman next season.

 

[Starat327]

It never ever fails and people will never ever learn.

Sometimes its just fun to call out the hypocrisy and/or idiocy of the posts.

 

[Striiker]

The gremlins and leeches on this board do this for every prospect. It will never end. More or less, every young player has been exactly as advertised by the real prospect watchers here. From Gostisbehere, Sanheim, Lindblom, right on down the list.

These players have only been free from the shackles of Dave Hakstol for a few months and have already made incredible leaps. It's likely many will keep improving if a legitimate coaching staff is put in place. Obviously, there will be ups and downs. Especially for A 20 YEAR OLD GOALTENDER PLAYING IN THE DAMN NHL.

Filtering out noise is the key to being informed. On this board or anywhere else in life. I highly recommend using the ignore function provided by this forum. I use it a lot. It saves time and frustration.

Thing is, the panic also comes from people who generally aren't deserving of being put on ignore. People just need to learn to look at the big picture and not get so worked up over little fluctuations in play.

On top of that, I think there's a problem when it comes to expectations. Prospects get hyped up (rightfully so) and then some people think they're going to come in, dominate immediately, and be completely flawless... which is never the case for anyone but the top 0.01%.

The fact that any of our top prospects or young players are getting any heat in this season is completely ridiculous. For example, even when guys like Sanheim and Lindblom were being underused and weren't producing a few months ago, it should have been easy to recognize it was because of the situation they were in, not their own faults.

Then don't even get me started on how stupid it is to see people bashing Voracek or Ghost...

 

[deadhead]

Hyperbole city.

I've pointed out for the last month the winning streak is simply hot goalies, now that the goalies cooled off, the underlying flaws of this team are both obvious and were easily predicted.

Hart has a bright future, but expecting him to continue that hot start was the triumph of hope over experience. He's going to have ups and downs, I'd be happy with 50 starts, .915 S% next year.

Provorov, Sanheim and Myers are a couple years from being able to be the lead dogs. On most good teams, they'd be on the second and third pairs, matched up with experienced veterans, and would gradually have their PT and responsibilities increase over a 2-3 year period. Which is why adding a top four veteran defenseman would stabilize this group.

The top two lines are works in progress, Patrick needs another offseason in the weight room, TK is still figuring out defense, and any coach would struggle with the jigsaw puzzle (who plays with Couts). The third line is a top flight fourth line, the fourth line would be a 1st line in the AHL.

Nothing wrong with that, this is year 5 of a 7 year rebuild, the only way to accelerate it would be to strip the farm system in major trades this offseason. Which would be stupid. Make a couple moves, one forward, one defenseman, using free agency and trades, otherwise be patient. Flyers should be a perennial playoff team from here on in with real goaltenders, but it will take a couple years to add young talent, have it mature and the team to jell. Babcock hasn't got Toronto past the first round yet.

 

[Rebels57]

Hart wasn't very bad last night, the team in front of him was ass. Not a concern at all to me.

If there's a young player I'm starting to seriously worry about it's Provorov. I don't know if it's overwork or what, but he was Andrew MacDonald on about half of his shifts last night. He still has all the things that make him good, he's just not displaying them all at once in consecutive games, and hasn't all year.

Provy has been great the last month plus

 

[Rebels57]

Of course not, but you've got to assume he improves over the next decade. Defensemen peak these days in the early 30's and he's in his early 20's. We're arguing whether he's a #1 now, this suggests that if he isn't now, he'll probably become one in time without injury problems.

WTF?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Provy has been great the last month plus

He's been better. Not sure if "great" is the word. Last night was ugly though--the type of game that simply can't happen for a player of his caliber.

 

[deadhead]

Most projections I've seen is defensemen maturing about one year after forwards, and staying at peak production about 2 years longer.

 

[Rebels57]

He's been better. Not sure if "great" is the word. Last night was ugly though--the type of game that simply can't happen for a player of his caliber.

There were mistakes by every single member of the defense from what I saw. Each of the 4 goals against I can pinpoint to a mistake by a defensemen.

 

[Rich Nixon]

There were mistakes by every single member of the defense from what I saw. Each of the 4 goals against I can pinpoint to a mistake by a defensemen.

...OK? That's not the point. He's making mistakes that, based on his skillset, role, and reputation, he should not be making. He made a handful last night that didn't lead to goals, too. A lot of timid, indecisive plays. Not very affirmative these days in his own zone with the puck on his stick.

I don't think you can pin the one Connolly goal on Myers, by the way. Looked awkward as f***, his kick attempt, but Couturier hung him out to dry. Phil had a couple other defensive zone turnovers but he's incredible at eating his own mistakes right up.

 

[baudib1]

Provorov is actively bad at making quick decisions with the puck in the defensive zone.

 

[flyers0909]

Provorov is actively bad at making quick decisions with the puck in the defensive zone.

What's that make Hagg?

 

[BringBackHakstol]

What's that make Hagg?

Horrible

 

[Striiker]

I swear I read half of these threads and wonder if people are watching different games.

 

[Starat327]

What's that make Hagg?

Ghost's even strength replacement.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Once Provy gets going and hit closer to his potential, watch out.