Prospect Info: 6th Overall

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Sorry, got my wires crossed there for a sec. Yes, he was 9th, but at the time Vilardi was 5th, and I was hoping for him. Before the draft ever started, I said on these very boards that Rasmussen was the one player I wanted nothing to do with.

I like him a little better now than in 2017, but I still think he's strictly a middle six winger.
He seems like a safe pick. At worst he’s a big body that is hard to play against and a pp specialist. Once he fills out, he’ll be a monster if he figures out how to use his size. There’s not to many people in the league as big as him and he will be a unique weapon that teams will have a hard time game planning against.

Besides, no one taken right after is playing regularly in the league. Give him time to grow into his body
 

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Vilardi is the more injury prone "Nylander" who just lost the puck on the critical moment, when Boston with 4 lines of all "Rasmussens" were leading 3-1 on a playoff series Game7.

Just to remind what Rasmussen is for our future.

Pain play against, after the build of his physics is ready.
 

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Vilardi is the more injury prone "Nylander" who just lost the puck on the critical moment, when Boston with 4 lines of all "Rasmussens" were leading 3-1 on a playoff series Game7.

Just to remind what Rasmussen is for our future.

Pain play against, after the build of his physics is ready.
Nonsense. Boston has multiple PPG players. Rasmussen might never crack 50 points in a season.
 

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Yeahh... and we will have PPG players too when a little bit water flows on the Detroit river.
Umm, ok. The point is that I don't respect Rasmussen's skill set and the degree to which I think he will put it to use in the NHL, relative to where he was drafted. Which has nothing to do with local bodies of water, frozen or otherwise.
 
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Again, I was just pointing out where NHL scouts had him.

I personally don’t think he’s all that and have had him ranked 8-11 all year. He reminds me of someone like Nino Niederreiter. I hope Stevie isn’t tempted to take him just because he has had success with Russian players.

We will have to see Henkka.

Could also see this kid being like Timo Meier who has became a pretty good player. (Watching this SJ game)

Damnit, I don’t know... just makes me nervous.
 
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Bob McKenzie is at all of the major tournaments but he is clear that his ranking is simply the average result taken from a survey of scouts. Bob McKenzie is a career reporter and a very good one at that.

Button on the other hand has a strong track record as a professional scout long before he joined TSN. To this day he still spends a ton of time on the road watching junior hockey all over the world. I’ve personally witnessed him scouting the Helinka-Gretzky Tournament and my local WHL team multiple times. More significantly, I’ve listened to his regular segment on TSN radio where he talks about travelling Thursday through Sunday(throughout the season) to watch regional pockets of junior hockey all over the continent. Like McKenzie, Button is at all of the major tournaments.

I definitely agree McKenzie’s method lands closer to the draft results while Button has more curveballs.

To be clear, I’m not making an argument for one over the other. Hell, if you don’t like Craig’s rankings this would probably make him look worse :laugh:. I just wanted to clarify the misunderstanding that Craig Button doesn’t watch much junior hockey. He watches more than most; McKenzie (most likely) included.

I will say McKenzie has a very firm handle on the OHL because of his son's role as the GM of the Kitchener Rangers. He attends a lot of their games and is having constant conversations about the OHL as a result. His results are as you say a collection of scouts, everything in this post is completely accurate. But just so people know that angle as well, Mike McKenzie runs the Kitchener Rangers, though Bob pretty much prides himself on reporting facts and not his own opinions when possible.
 
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Sorry, got my wires crossed there for a sec. Yes, he was 9th, but at the time Vilardi was 5th, and I was hoping for him. Before the draft ever started, I said on these very boards that Rasmussen was the one player I wanted nothing to do with.

I like him a little better now than in 2017, but I still think he's strictly a middle six winger.
You know Vilardi only played 4 games this season due to back injury? He might not ever make the NHL with his back injury. Never the same after injuring your back, I know from personal experience. Hope his isn't as serious as mine.
 
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I need to see some, any, playmaking ability from Rasmussen before I have high hopes for him. I think he’ll develop into a 20 goal guy purely due to his size and hand eye coordination for tipping pucks on the PP.

But in terms of excitement, Ras isn’t the guy. I just really hope he locks himself in the weight room this summer because his strength was non existent, always stumbling to the ice.
 
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Vilardi is the more injury prone "Nylander" who just lost the puck on the critical moment, when Boston with 4 lines of all "Rasmussens" were leading 3-1 on a playoff series Game7.

Just to remind what Rasmussen is for our future.

Pain play against, after the build of his physics is ready.

That all depends on what Yzerman thinks of Rasmussen, and the type of team he wants to build.
 

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You know Vilardi only played 4 games this season due to back injury? He might not ever make the NHL with his back injury. Never the same after injuring your back, I know from personal experience. Hope his isn't as serious as mine.

personally i'd still as of today give Vilardi a better chance of being an impact player than Rasmussen

yeah Rasmussen is also probably a lock to be at worst a bottom 6 guy longterm while Vilardi could bust entirely but honestly that really doesn't move the needle much for me
 

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Listened to Craig Button on the Hawks Talk podcast, and he had some interesting thoughts.

They asked him if he had the #3 pick and wanted to take a center: would he take Cozens, Dach, or Turcotte... and he said Zegras. He said he thinks Zegras is the #2 center in the draft after Hughes.

He also said he thinks there is not much of a gap between Kakko and Podkolzin.
 

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Listened to Craig Button on the Hawks Talk podcast, and he had some interesting thoughts.

They asked him if he had the #3 pick and wanted to take a center: would he take Cozens, Dach, or Turcotte... and he said Zegras. He said he thinks Zegras is the #2 center in the draft after Hughes.

He also said he thinks there is not much of a gap between Kakko and Podkolzin.

So based on that, his rankings would have to be...
Hughes
Kakko
Podkolzin
Zegras

??

I still think Zegras is an exciting player, but considering I have doubts about Hughes as a center, I would have to have doubts about Zegras as well. Those doubts would have to deflate his value slightly.

Or maybe we are seeing the evolution of the center position. Who knows.
 
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So based on that, his rankings would have to be...
Hughes
Kakko
Podkolzin
Zegras

??

I still think Zegras is an exciting player, but considering I have doubts about Hughes as a center, I would have to have doubts about Zegras as well. Those doubts would have to deflate his value slightly.

Or maybe we are seeing the evolution of the center position. Who knows.

I think Zegras is the most boom/bust player in the top 10. I can see a lot of different outcomes with that kid. But if he puts on some weight and develops more physically he could absolutely take off.

The 3 guys I could really see blowing up most after being drafted are Zegras, Brink, and Suzuki.
 

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Listened to Craig Button on the Hawks Talk podcast, and he had some interesting thoughts.

They asked him if he had the #3 pick and wanted to take a center: would he take Cozens, Dach, or Turcotte... and he said Zegras. He said he thinks Zegras is the #2 center in the draft after Hughes.

He also said he thinks there is not much of a gap between Kakko and Podkolzin.
And if that results in one or both of Byram and Turcotte being available at 6, then thank you Mister Button. I'll happily take my chances with one of them.
 

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I think Zegras is the most boom/bust player in the top 10. I can see a lot of different outcomes with that kid. But if he puts on some weight and develops more physically he could absolutely take off.

The 3 guys I could really see blowing up most after being drafted are Zegras, Brink, and Suzuki.

This feels like a phenomenal draft to find a way to work yourself into owning a late teens/early 20s pick in addition to a top pick. The 9/20 combo of Anaheim, the Rangers combo of 2/22. I was an advocate of trading up last year, but in retrospect because the late first and early seconds were right around that cut off point for talent, standing pat looks to be the right move. This year, obviously our second is still fairly high, but the Islanders and Sharks picks are looking like they might be late 20s potentially (meaning late 50s). This year I think there is a more clear drop in talent from late first to second round, and I again will advocate for trading up to get in the mix for a lingering high talent player who the organization feels good about, knowing full well that we'd have to give up a good chunk of capital. Maybe its Suzuki/Kaliyev/Lavoie/York/Newhook, maybe we have that high of a grade on someone like Tomasino/Brink.
 
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personally i'd still as of today give Vilardi a better chance of being an impact player than Rasmussen

yeah Rasmussen is also probably a lock to be at worst a bottom 6 guy longterm while Vilardi could bust entirely but honestly that really doesn't move the needle much for me

Really? At what point do people give up on bringing this crap up. The guy has played 50 something games total since he was drafted 2 seasons ago after having an injury plagued draft year AND the kings dont even know if hell be ready for training camp this upcoming season either. Rasmussen has played more NHL games than he has games total since his draft.

Obviously Vilardi is way more talented but teams obviously gave him physicals and thats why he fell where he did. At this point his chances of becoming an impact player might be lower than him ever having a healthy season again the way his back is.

Oh well, this year it looks like the wings wont have to make a decision like that that will keep getting brought up about the draft 3 years later thank god
 

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This feels like a phenomenal draft to find a way to work yourself into owning a late teens/early 20s pick in addition to a top pick. The 9/20 combo of Anaheim, the Rangers combo of 2/22. I was an advocate of trading up last year, but in retrospect because the late first and early seconds were right around that cut off point for talent, standing pat looks to be the right move. This year, obviously our second is still fairly high, but the Islanders and Sharks picks are looking like they might be late 20s potentially (meaning late 50s). This year I think there is a more clear drop in talent from late first to second round, and I again will advocate for trading up to get in the mix for a lingering high talent player who the organization feels good about, knowing full well that we'd have to give up a good chunk of capital. Maybe its Suzuki/Kaliyev/Lavoie/York/Newhook, maybe we have that high of a grade on someone like Tomasino/Brink.

I think it is a good draft for trading back within the top 10. You aren't giving up much (if anything) in moving from 6 to 9 for example. That beings said, however, the talent in the back half of the first round and through the 2nd is well bellow average. The overall draft does not have a ton of depth even though it has a strong top 10.
 

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Really? At what point do people give up on bringing this crap up. The guy has played 50 something games total since he was drafted 2 seasons ago after having an injury plagued draft year AND the kings dont even know if hell be ready for training camp this upcoming season either. Rasmussen has played more NHL games than he has games total since his draft.

Obviously Vilardi is way more talented but teams obviously gave him physicals and thats why he fell where he did. At this point his chances of becoming an impact player might be lower than him ever having a healthy season again the way his back is.

Oh well, this year it looks like the wings wont have to make a decision like that that will keep getting brought up about the draft 3 years later thank god

the way I see it if Vilardi can ever get over his injury issues he still has a decent shot at becoming an impact player while Rasmussen pretty much has no chance at it because he just doesn't have what it takes

i'm fully aware that there's a good chance of him busting entirely at this point but again that compared to Rasmussen being a bottom 6 lock really doesn't move the needle for me

Necas is the real miss but i'd still take Vilardi over Rasmussen in a second
 

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the way I see it if Vilardi can ever get over his injury issues he still has a decent shot at becoming an impact player while Rasmussen pretty much has no chance at it because he just doesn't have what it takes

i'm fully aware that there's a good chance of him busting entirely at this point but again that compared to Rasmussen being a bottom 6 lock really doesn't move the needle for me

Necas is the real miss but i'd still take Vilardi over Rasmussen in a second

Youre just completely ready to write Rasmussen off as anything but a bottom 6 guy already? You act like he has no shot at becoming an impact player while a guy who hasnt played since his draft and was slow to begin with will have a better shot in todays fast NHL. Whatever not the thread for this argument and its like talking to a brick wall with people who didnt like the Rasmussen pick at the time. If he was putting up 2 points a game in the WHL this season instead of actually playing in the NHL no one would be making this brutal take this early into his career.
 
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