GDT: #62 Yinzers @ Your Columbus Blue Jackets

[Maylo]

6. Which coach, aside from your own, would you not want to play for? (198 players were asked)

 

[Maylo]

5. Which coach, aside from your own, would you most want to play for?

 

[JacketsDavid]

Thank you Maylo great stuff!
Finally proof about what a few of us suggested and others disputed.
Also noted a few guys would want to play for Torts (polarizing guy).

 

[Maylo]

Thank you Maylo great stuff!
Finally proof about what a few of us suggested and others disputed.
Also noted a few guys would want to play for Torts (polarizing guy).

Assuming all 198 voted on that topic (author said not every question was answered by all 198 players ) it's 12 player for, and 60 players against. 5:1

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

6. Which coach, aside from your own, would you not want to play for? (198 players were asked)

Bourque, Prout, and Campbell. My how the times have changed

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Top 4 coaches on the not play for list: SC Champions

All coaches but two in the play for list: Non-cup champions, or runner ups

Okay then.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Top 4 coaches on the not play for list: SC Champions

All coaches but two in the play for list: Non-cup champions, or runner ups

Okay then.

Of those 4 coaches only one has won a cup in last 10 years (Torts in 2004, Hitch 1999 and Carlyle in 2007). Lot has changed.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Use to always be that you had 3 types of coaches. One that worked well with youth to help them develop.
Next was a motivator/agitator that got the most out of their guys. These guys often lose the team at some point.
Finally the players coach when the team was finally there, and key was to keep everyone on same page.

I'm not a Torts guy. My fear is if 3/4 of our FA leave it will be too late next year (again my assumption is Dinz may stay, Panarin/Duchene/Bob will be out) and where will we be? Maybe a wildcard team. Maybe we can attract a FA with $$$ but most elite guys (again assumption on my part) will not want to play for Torts if they can get comparable money/term elsewhere.

Agree with you, but I think the front office has pursued Duchene like a bloodhound for a couple years now, and I think they will make him an offer he cant refuse. I expect him and Dzingel to resign. My hope though is that Jarmo cans Tortarella after this season (a first round loss probably seals the deal), or if they start slow next season, you can him right away. They need a coach that is in tune with todays game, and can develop talent, and understands the offensive game of todays NHL. Sheldon Keefe would be my first choice .

 

[jaxfan45385]

Agree with you, but I think the front office has pursued Duchene like a bloodhound for a couple years now, and I think they will make him an offer he cant refuse. .

I tend to agree. But I am a little concerned he didn't\hasn't sign yet (like Stone). He may have wanted to come here and see how it is playing for Torts before he committed.

My hope though is that Jarmo cans Tortarella after this season (a first round loss probably seals the deal), or if they start slow next season, you can him right away.

Again I agree. However I am not so sure Jarmo and JD (especially) see it the same way we do. They keep getting these offensive minded players but keep a coach that is totally opposite and doens't coach offense.

They need a coach that is in tune with todays game, and can develop talent, and understands the offensive game of todays NHL. Sheldon Keefe would be my first choice .

Amen brother. I will have to check into Mr. Keefe, not familiar with him.

 

[majormajor]

They keep getting these offensive minded players but keep a coach that is totally opposite and doens't coach offense.

I wonder what exactly Torts is supposed to teach Panarin about goal scoring.

 

[EspenK]

I wonder what exactly Torts is supposed to teach Panarin about goal scoring.

At least enough so that he can out goal Cam...

 

[majormajor]

At least enough so that he can out goal Cam...

My point is I don't think it would help, at all, and Torts knows that. He stays out of the way.

 

[EspenK]

I've never played hockey but it seems to me that coaching offense would include some instructions as to how to position oneself to receive a pass in a shooting area, how to find open space, some kind of a pattern to run "pick plays" to lose your man, etc. When to have the D pinch in, when not to. How to shoot to create rebounds. Intentional wide shots to create scoring opportunities on the rebound/carom.

Most of the time when I watch the Jackets, I see the Jackets is dump it in, forecheck and hope it squirts somewhere that will find a Jacket in scoring position. When I watch Tampa Bay for example, I think I see guys getting to the right spot to get a god shot or receive a pass.

I don't know, it just seems to me to say we don't coach offense is ridiculous.

 

[majormajor]

I've never played hockey but it seems to me that coaching offense would include some instructions as to how to position oneself to receive a pass in a shooting area, how to find open space, some kind of a pattern to run "pick plays" to lose your man, etc. When to have the D pinch in, when not to. How to shoot to create rebounds. Intentional wide shots to create scoring opportunities on the rebound/carom.

Most of the time when I watch the Jackets, I see the Jackets is dump it in, forecheck and hope it squirts somewhere that will find a Jacket in scoring position. When I watch Tampa Bay for example, I think I see guys getting to the right spot to get a god shot or receive a pass.

I don't know, it just seems to me to say we don't coach offense is ridiculous.

I don't think the Lightning are doing those nice plays because Jon Cooper is telling them to. It just takes a lot of talent to buy yourself the space to do anything impressive, or to expertly take advantage of mistakes by your opponent.

My guess is that it's more normal for the head coach to not deal with offensive zone stuff at 5v5. The head coach will implement strategy that bears on when the D pinch, a ton of neutral zone stuff and defensive zone stuff, but "getting open" and what not is something these guys either already have or they develop it with a specialist coach, like the way Dubois has been learning how to use his body. Offense at 5v5 is mostly reactive anyways, you need to wait for the other team to make a mistake, and then hope your guys have the instincts to take advantage.

 

[Sore Loser]

I've never played hockey but it seems to me that coaching offense would include some instructions as to how to position oneself to receive a pass in a shooting area, how to find open space, some kind of a pattern to run "pick plays" to lose your man, etc. When to have the D pinch in, when not to. How to shoot to create rebounds. Intentional wide shots to create scoring opportunities on the rebound/carom.

Most of the time when I watch the Jackets, I see the Jackets is dump it in, forecheck and hope it squirts somewhere that will find a Jacket in scoring position. When I watch Tampa Bay for example, I think I see guys getting to the right spot to get a god shot or receive a pass.

I don't know, it just seems to me to say we don't coach offense is ridiculous.

The only way to coach offense is to set up a basic scheme for the guys you have. The Bolts are successful for that reason.

Our system seems to be dump and chase, which 3 years ago was the way to do it. Torts was absolutely correct with it, we didn't have much talent.

Now we have talent, but we haven't adapted from "dump & chase/safe is death". We should set up a couple of basic neutral zone entries, that will allow all four (or even just three) lines to know generally where the puck is going. Then you can let the talent take over from there.

It's so stupid simple, but our guys haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Ruudukkopupuset]

Offense at 5v5 is mostly reactive anyways, you need to wait for the other team to make a mistake, and then hope your guys have the instincts to take advantage.

"It is thrilling to watch when opponents anticipate Tampa's returns which are constantly coming - and when Tampa does not return and the opponent has anticipated wrong, yanks Tampa quick frontier attack upright! Evolution of play is a beautiful thing in the NHL."

The Pondering One on Tampa's playbook.

Well, reactive, but certainly there is an enormous influence from Jon Cooper or Mike Babcock to what is going on in there. The Leading One brought this knowledge into Finnish ice hockey discourse which led to discovery of meidän peli. Northern American understanding of the play lags soon twenty years behind but perhaps one day it will revealed there also.

 

[AZRoadRunner]

Agree with you, but I think the front office has pursued Duchene like a bloodhound for a couple years now, and I think they will make him an offer he cant refuse. I expect him and Dzingel to resign. My hope though is that Jarmo cans Tortarella after this season (a first round loss probably seals the deal), or if they start slow next season, you can him right away. They need a coach that is in tune with todays game, and can develop talent, and understands the offensive game of todays NHL. Sheldon Keefe would be my first choice .

The only way I see Duchene signing with the Jackets is if they make a deep run in the playoffs - 2nd round or ECF.....which I do not see happening. Hope I'm wrong, but my bet is he will test the market and leave. IMO, the only UFA forward that will re-sign here would be Dzingel. We could win the Cup this year and both Panarin and Bob would be gone. Though I'm not crying about Bob leaving.

 

[majormajor]

I think the Jackets have a good shot at signing Duchene. Nashville really could be his first choice though, so it could go into July 1st so he can see if they make a new offer. The Jackets have more flexibility to make a big offer and I think they will outbid and might just get him. That or if the Jackets offer something over $9m per now, which is a bit much, they could lock this down very soon. Nashville already failed to get him to sign last week, and my guess is that they did not and will not go near $9m per.

 

[EspenK]

The only way to coach offense is to set up a basic scheme for the guys you have. The Bolts are successful for that reason.

Our system seems to be dump and chase, which 3 years ago was the way to do it. Torts was absolutely correct with it, we didn't have much talent.

Now we have talent, but we haven't adapted from "dump & chase/safe is death". We should set up a couple of basic neutral zone entries, that will allow all four (or even just three) lines to know generally where the puck is going. Then you can let the talent take over from there.

It's so stupid simple, but our guys haven't figured it out yet.

This seems reasonable. The dump and chase seems to produce more randomness than would something like 3 or 4 planned schemes to get the puck into the zone and the offense set up.

 

[Sore Loser]

This seems reasonable. The dump and chase seems to produce more randomness than would something like 3 or 4 planned schemes to get the puck into the zone and the offense set up.

I started calling it the dump & lose years ago. Defensemen are so fast and skilled in today's game that, unless you have a team full of Josh Andersons, the puck is picked up and moved before you can get to the forecheck.

 

[majormajor]

I started calling it the dump & lose years ago. Defensemen are so fast and skilled in today's game that, unless you have a team full of Josh Andersons, the puck is picked up and moved before you can get to the forecheck.

I usually don't have such a positive opinion of dump and chase, but the Jackets are oddly good at it. It seems to me to be actually successful for the Jackets quite often. The top two scoring lines don't really seem to rely on it that often either, just using it in case there is no good zone entry, which is what most clubs do.

 

[Sore Loser]

I usually don't have such a positive opinion of dump and chase, but the Jackets are oddly good at it. It seems to me to be actually successful for the Jackets quite often. The top two scoring lines don't really seem to rely on it that often either, just using it in case there is no good zone entry, which is what most clubs do.

For what it's worth, they use it well. I just think they shouldn't rely on it as much.