Post-Game Talk: 6/22 - 2019 NHL Draft Day II - 1PM ET - NHL Network. SN, TVAS

[DominicT]

Just as a point of reference, what is the high-water mark for OHL draftees in a single draft in the modern 7-round draft era?

I was off by a couple. Here you go Vancouver 2019 Was Not Kind to the OHL

 

[WestCoastBruinsFan]

***that the bruins draft

In one post you admit that you don’t know anything about the picks and then in another post you say that you don’t think they will hit. I don’t know anything about the picks but I am far from saying they won’t hit. That’s just stupid.

 

[Montecristo]

In one post you admit that you don’t know anything about the picks and then in another post you say that you don’t think they will hit. I don’t know anything about the picks but I am far from saying they won’t hit. That’s just stupid.

I have the right to say I don’t know anything about the picks but I don’t think they’ll hit. It’s called honestly mixed with intuition. I’m loaded with honestly + intuition

 

[Gator Mike]

If you haven't seen the players, but are still saying they're not going to hit... that's not intuition, it's blind pessimism.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

But he's full of honestly.....

 

[crimsonace]

My point is that it’s unlikely any of Boston’s picks hit (after Beecher) and if they do we are looking at 3rd and 4th liners. It’s like an 80% bust rate for Boston’s picks. I’d take 90% if it actually resulted in top 6 upside

If you get a top-6/top-4 player out of a draft that features a guy picked at the end of the third and three picked at the end of the fifth or later, that's a pretty big win. Heck, if you even get an NHL bottom-6 or bottom-pairing regular after the third round, you're doing pretty well. Look at the history of any team's draft picks - very few guys drafted in rounds 4-7 even become an NHL regular for one season, most become AHL guys at best. A 20% success rate for picks in the range the Bruins were picking (after Beecher) would be a good draft for any team.

 

[Montecristo]

If you get a top-6/top-4 player out of a draft that features a guy picked at the end of the third and three picked at the end of the fifth or later, that's a pretty big win. Heck, if you even get an NHL bottom-6 or bottom-pairing regular after the third round, you're doing pretty well. Look at the history of any team's draft picks - very few guys drafted in rounds 4-7 even become an NHL regular for one season, most become AHL guys at best. A 20% success rate for picks in the range the Bruins were picking (after Beecher) would be a good draft for any team.

I’d rather a chance for a top 6 forward versus a slightly higher chance at a 4th liner

 

[ap3lovr]

Looks like the B's got their guy, they seem to value leadership more than other teams when balanced against skill. I don't mind that approach at all. A little shocked we are sitting with 8 nhl regular d-men for next season still with Zboril, Vaak, and Lauzon in the pipeline. That must be because of the Seattle expansion.

 

[00BW]

I went through the spreadsheet someone made of 60 public lists to see where the Bruins picks were ranked.
The Average is calculated if the name appeared on 10 lists so some have '???' instead.
Schmaltz didn't appear on anyone's list, not even TheDraftAnalyst's 'April 500'.

Source: DRAFT DAY: Expected Pick Range

Name	Drafted	Average	Low	High	List Count
Beecher	30	43	30	71	50
Olson	92	???	99	208	6
Bychkov	154	143	86	176	13
Mantykivi	185	???	154	206	6
Schmaltz	192	???	???	???	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Looks like the B's got their guy, they seem to value leadership more than other teams when balanced against skill. I don't mind that approach at all. A little shocked we are sitting with 8 nhl regular d-men for next season still with Zboril, Vaak, and Lauzon in the pipeline. That must be because of the Seattle expansion.

There is nothing that says players can’t be moved after the draft. The B’s could trade one of their D prospects on the cusp for a similar F prospect from another team.

 

[00BW]

Here's another table by position, height, and weight.

I put this together after noticing how slight all but Beecher are. This reminds me of the 2014 draft where everyone was about 160 lbs on draft day. Since then, Pasta, Donato, Heinen, Bjork, and Johansson all got to at least 185 lbs and all but Johansson are NHLers. However, it took 3-4 years of patience in the development process for all but Pastrnak who got there his 1st year. It would seem they have gone for the same long-term development profile type of players here. If they manage to recreate the 2014 success (albeit with someone less than Pasta, obviously), then this could be a great draft crop come 2022-2023.

Name	Position	Height	Weight
Beecher	(C)	6'3"	210
Olson	(LW)	5'11"	170
Bychkov	(LD)	5'11"	161
Mantykivi	(LW)	5'11"	160
Schmaltz	(LW)	6'1"	165

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Lots of silliness in here.

 

[crimsonace]

I’d rather a chance for a top 6 forward versus a slightly higher chance at a 4th liner

If you’re trying to find “chance at a top 6 forward” in the fifth round ... the guys picked in the fifth round in ANY organization are more likely to be “chance at a top 6 forward” in the AHL than even make an NHL roster. We won’t know if any of these guys are hits for 3-4 years.

 

[DKH]

Pronman graded the bruins tied for last in the league. Not sure if he’s respected but he had the bruins tied for last in terms of a draft grade

We been discussing what an ass hat Pronman is for years. It’s probably schtick at this point atleast I have friends who think so

I don’t respect the guy I know some of my friends don’t.

 

[DKH]

If that Ruins drafted Kaliyev they get an A for the steal of the draft.

The 4 recent drafts top round picks

McAvoy, Frederic, Lindgren, Vaakanainen, Studnicka, Andersson, Lauko, Beecher

Specifically identifying players that fit the plan of 4 way puck moving defenseman and big fast 200-foot forwards

Sweeney stayed true to the blueprint.

Does anyone think for one second Pronman has a clue what the Bruins organization objective is?

Cory Pronman is no different than a lot of these guys

‘Oh, Lavoie. Kaliyev, Brink were available and they took Beecher’

ANGT!!!! F-A-I-L

 

[Chief Nine]

I have the right to say I don’t know anything about the picks but I don’t think they’ll hit. It’s called honestly mixed with intuition. I’m loaded with honestly + intuition

In other words, you’re guessing with a negative outlook

 

[Flannelman]

Well, I’m source looking forward to seeing them in ice. I assume “first year player “ camp is at Warrior? I’ll have to schedule some meetings around it to go. Would love to watch Beecher fly around the ice.

I like the points Dan/ @DKH is making above about philosophical approach but I also understand the hurt feelings with the skipping of Kaliyev (or similar, I kind of had a thing for Brink based on only what I had read - obv not a comprehensive analysis).

I do think there’s room for players who don’t “fit the mold” so to speak.

But at the same time, we can’t beat up Beecher because he isn’t who we wanted. From the handful of clips circulating, there’s plenty to be excited about with his game.

 

[DKH]

I remember the Angelo Esposito up roar in 2007

Check out the second and third round of that draft

Horrible

PK Subban & Wayne Simmonds were the only good second round picks the 28 other guys were ass

In round three Yannick Weber may have been the best pick

Only draft I looked at but if Matt Grzelcyk was in the third round of the 2007 draft he would get the gold medal

If Grzelcyk was in the second round he gets the bronze

 

[The don godfather]

Still I feel we need an A Grade center prospect. Stud is one of them. Beecher I love but would never thought lavoie would drop so low. He might have been the better pick? Time will tell.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I went through the spreadsheet someone made of 60 public lists to see where the Bruins picks were ranked.
The Average is calculated if the name appeared on 10 lists so some have '???' instead.
Schmaltz didn't appear on anyone's list, not even TheDraftAnalyst's 'April 500'.

Source: DRAFT DAY: Expected Pick Range

Name	Drafted	Average	Low	High	List Count
Beecher	30	43	30	71	50
Olson	92	???	99	208	6
Bychkov	154	143	86	176	13
Mantykivi	185	???	154	206	6
Schmaltz	192	???	???	???	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

When the Bruins drafted in Sweeney's first year as GM, their was much speculation (myself included) that the Bruins felt they were smarter than everyone else.

The picks above point to the same possibility. But when you just went to the 7th game of the Cup finals, its easier to think they deserve to have that opinion.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

If that Ruins drafted Kaliyev they get an A for the steal of the draft.

The 4 recent drafts top round picks

McAvoy, Frederic, Lindgren, Vaakanainen, Studnicka, Andersson, Lauko, Beecher

Specifically identifying players that fit the plan of 4 way puck moving defenseman and big fast 200-foot forwards

Sweeney stayed true to the blueprint.

Does anyone think for one second Pronman has a clue what the Bruins organization objective is?

Cory Pronman is no different than a lot of these guys

‘Oh, Lavoie. Kaliyev, Brink were available and they took Beecher’

ANGT!!!! F-A-I-L

What if they had drafted Brett Leason?

 

[00BW]

For those touting Pronman, you can see his 2016 draft rankings that ABC opened up to the public: Top 100 prospects for the 2016 NHL draft

I don't think we are allowed to quote the whole thing but he had McAvoy ranked 26th and this was the last line. 'He won't be leaned on as the first guy over the boards to kill a penalty, but it's very possible he could skate top-four minutes at his peak.'

Last year, he also had Colorado system ranked 21st even though they had Makar, Kaut, Timmins (before shutdown for a year with concussion), and more.

Yes, it is important to read all opinions, but Pronman has long had an anti-Bruins bent. In that same list he had Cholowski ranked 80th, the Red Wings took him 20th, but he didn't sh** all over then like he did the Bruins taking his 74th ranked Frederic with the 29th pick.

 

[KnightofBoston]

I have the right to say I don’t know anything about the picks but I don’t think they’ll hit. It’s called honestly mixed with intuition. I’m loaded with honestly + intuition

This made me laugh so hard this morning while sipping my coffee. Almost spit it all over the lawn. Thank you.

 

[Ratty]

I have the right to say I don’t know anything about the picks but I don’t think they’ll hit. It’s called honestly mixed with intuition. I’m loaded with honestly + intuition

You may be”loaded with honesty and intuition”, and, obviously, humility. But if you want credibility it would behoove you to add “IMO” or “IMHO” to your proclamations.

 

[Montecristo]

You may be”loaded with honesty and intuition”, and, obviously, humility. But if you want credibility it would behoove you to add “IMO” or “IMHO” to your proclamations.

I take everything that isn’t sourced to someone credible on this site to be opinion