GDT: 6/21-6/22 - 2019 NHL Draft - 8pm ET/ 1PM ET - NBCSN. SN, TVAS

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  1. TheReal13Linseman Oft maligned

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    But that cuts both ways. It’s the consensus of amalgamated scouting resources vs the individual needs of 31 GMs that I’m referring to.

    Could they all be wrong and any individual GM be right? Sure, we did definitely see that with 88, Bergeron and lots of others. DS knew better than the scouts and other GMs there on 88 and for that he deserves credit and I do credit him for that. It was a great call.

    But, on the other hand there are armies of scouts and analysts out there who, ostensibly, are paid as a profession (such that it is) to evaluate these kids. I assume they’re employed so as to utilize their expertise. So, sure, you can go off the board and make your own picks. I’m just saying that if one elects to, one has to accept the responsibility of getting pilloried if things go south.

    Donny has consistently put himself in that position. Big risk, big reward. When it works, he’s a genius. When not, he has to wear it.

    All I’m saying is that I vehemently disagree with his philosophy. Easy for me, I’m JAG who can lob grenades; I’m not at the draft table. I will say this though, if I were Don, I would look at the my draft record using the approach I’ve employed and ask myself: “Has it worked, by and large, or has it not really worked?”

    My view is that it hasn’t really worked more often than it has.

    I’m a bit nonplussed that so many here reflexively defend the man and the philosophy without much sober analysis and take any criticism of DS as though it’s a personal vendetta. It’s not. It’s strictly business.
     
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  2. TheReal13Linseman Oft maligned

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    I can’t tell if that’s an endorsement or a criticism.

    We’re talking about hockey clubs and not country clubs here, right?
     
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    FWIW, when given the opportunity due to injuries and playing in a more offensive role, his production increased dramatically. It's a gamble, but one worth taking. He's likely to have a more prominent role in Michigan so this season will be interesting to keep tabs on him to see if there's more offensive skill there than he had a chance to showcase for USNDTP
     
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    Thank you for the response. I also found this from our friend Last Word Army. The link was posted on the Beecher thread. The comparable is also noted as Couturier one of my favorite misses, from the Hamilton draft. However it was noted as a stylistic comparison and did seem to imply a lower ceiling which makes sense because I believe a Couturier clone would be drafted much higher.
    John Beecher Scouting Report: 2019 NHL Draft #51
    Offensive Game

    Beecher is able to play a power game. The majority of his goals are scored in tight to the net. He has the quick hands to pounce on rebounds, get deflections, and bang in one-timers in close. He also has the soft hands to deke a goaltender in tight. Beecher’s size and power allow him to get the puck to the net as well as to battle for position in close to the goal when he doesn’t have.
    Beecher can also play the role of playmaker. He extends plays on the cycle, controlling the puck down low and giving his linemates time to get open. He shows the quick hands and the agility to make creative moves to shake a defender and open up a passing lane. Beecher has the vision to find an open teammate and can pass the puck through tight openings. He can also create offence through pressuring opposing defenders on the forecheck and creating turnovers. He is not afraid to throw a big hit and uses his size to its fullest advantage.
     
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  5. bardown23 Live for hockey

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    Great pick, floor is a good third line center, ceiling is a fast Ryan O’rielly.
     
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    You know how Marchand's uncanny balance and quickness completely masks his lack of high end speed?

    Dorofeyev would look just as good if he were seated on a wheelchair instead of skates. He's ridiculous. He's got a bag of tricks for stripping the puck from anyone that gets close to him - not just a stick lift, a whole diverse kit. And, while I haven't seen it happen, I could see him suffering an injury and getting knocked prone to the ice and still keep possession of the puck.

    If he can sort out the skating to NHL average, he's going to be a monster.
     
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    I wonder if the Bruins will be looking to make a trade to grab a 2nd.
     
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    You guys have to admit lavoie numbers at Halifax are impressive. He could be a solid 2nd line C. Those are so valuable.
     
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    It's neither, it's how they access an employee before they hire them. The GM is HAHVID educated there Son.
     
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    You lost me on that response, but nvm.
     
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    I'm still wondering why no media is criticizing Yzerman. His pick of Seider is the same as when TB took Koekkoek back in 2012 and Forsberg was picked right after.
     
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    Its assess not access.
     
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    i assumed that, but, still perplexed by the response.
     
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    They've been talking to Edmonton a lot, maybe theirs is available for taking Puljujarvi off the hands. :jk:

     
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    They did on sportsnet. Specially Brian Burke before he says " I don't want to criticize Yzerman". :laugh:
     
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    So barring a trade into the 2nd round, Bruins pick next at #92.... A long ways away :(

    Time to start throwing names out there that we'd like that could possibly be available. I'm going off my draft guide here, so these are his rankings. Will try and post some other rankings. Two guys that came to mind are below.

    Judd Caulfied -- 6'3'' 207 lbs. -- RW (RS) -- TDA: 98 <> McKenzie/TSN: 85

    One of the more underrated forwards available, the NTDP's other “Caulfield" (no relation to Cole Caufield) is a mean, physical winger blessed with soft hands, deft vision and the willingness to pay the price against any competition. He's spent a significant amount of time on the top six to start the season but later became a fixture on the bottom six; specifically, on a line with fellow masher John Beecher. He is an average skater speed-wise. Caulfield also can look smooth in transition and fools defenders with a variety of tricks, fakes and dangles. Where he makes most of his money is inside the offensive zone, where he uses his thick frame and strong leg drive to protect the puck for lengthy periods. Both he and Beecher proved to be an excellent top penalty-killing unit for Team USA.

    Ethan Keppen -- 6'2'' 212 lbs. -- LW (LS) -- TDA: 87 <> McKenzie/TSN: UR

    A muscular yet nimble power winger with an excellent shot who was one of the top forwards on one of the OHL’s worst teams, Keppen’s effort was consistently strong throughout the season, as he showed a willingness to outwork his opponents in all three zones. Keppen’s physicality and strength are evident from the moment he hits the ice, as he owns a powerful stride that helps him accelerate towards the puck and harass or mash opponents. Naturally, Keppen is murder along the boards and in the corners, and he can be immovable from the front of the net while jamming for multiple attempts at rebounds.
     
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    Its pretty self explanatory, don't overthink it.
     
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    Ah. Didn't see anything online so figured no one called him out. NBC last night said he could turn out like Carlo and that's great. I love Carlo but at 6th overall?
     
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    This is just quantitatively not true. He has some high profile missed but Sweeney has been consistently good at drafting since he took over.

     
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    It's cryptic Kryptonite.
     
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    He was great in the playoffs but his 2 regular seasons were not all that great. Also, kid is a RW, not a center.
     
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    Having a hard time picturing you sitting there, reading posts, drinking your morning coffee and being all “nonplussed”...

    :laugh:

    More like:

     
  23. Blowfish Win it for little Rusty!

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    Apparently Dubas was running from table to table lol...going to be difficult for a young GM to garnish respect...Especially with them hipster glasses.
     
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    I haven't read the whole thread yet but you of all people don't like this pick?
     
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    Not sold on the axiom that WAR/games played analysis determines whether a team has been "good at drafting". It's certainly a metric worthy of review, but it's not determinative in and of itself IMO.
     
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