# 50 goals, 40 assists = 30 goals and how many assists?

Discussion in 'Polls - (hockey-related only)' started by Dumb and nobody, Nov 8, 2019.

?

## 50 goals and 40 assists is equal to 30 goals and how many assists?

22.1%

6.6%

46.9%

15.8%

8.6%
1. ### Dumb and nobodyRegistered User

Joined:
Jun 15, 2007
Messages:
5,976
3,261
Trophy Points:
156
Player A has 50 goals and 40 assists.

Player B has 30 goals. How many assists would you say he needs to have an equivalent offensive impact as player A?

Assume there is no distinction between primary and secondary assists.

2. ### M88KRegistered User

Joined:
May 24, 2014
Messages:
2,783
1,337
Trophy Points:
109
60.
90p is 90p.
If they both played for the same team for instance, what is the likelihood player A gets 50 goals without player b setting most of them up? What is the likelihood of player b getting 60a without player a scoring 50g?

if they play on separate teams and each produce 90p, they're both still responsible for x % of their teams production doesn't really matter what the breakdown between goals and assists is.

3. ### SolmorsRegistered User

Joined:
May 3, 2010
Messages:
1,713
379
Trophy Points:
143
Location:
Seattle
I assume this is how you did your calculations.

If 1g = 1.5a:
50g + 40a = 90p
50(1.5) + 40 = 75 + 40 = 115

If 1g = 2a:
50(2) + 40 = 100 + 40 = 140

Now for 30 goal calcs.

If 1g = 1a:
30g + 60a = 90p

If 1g = 1.5a:
30g + 70a = 100p
30(1.5) + 70 = 45 + 70 = 115

If 1g = 2a:
30g + 80a = 110p
30(2) + 80 = 60 + 80 = 140

If I remember correctly (couldn't find the stat after a quick search) the average assists per goal in the NHL is ~1.7. So IMO the closest answer would be 75 (74 would be the calculation using 1.7).

4. ### jetsforeverRegistered User

Joined:
Dec 14, 2013
Messages:
13,556
4,915
Trophy Points:
156
60 is literally the same output, but I'd say at 70 I'd consider them comparable.

Grabner, NHL WAR, 780il and 2 others like this.
5. ### RegalRegistered User

Joined:
Mar 12, 2010
Messages:
15,301
3,106
Trophy Points:
156
Location:
Vancouver
I consider primary assists roughly equal to goals assuming both players are stars in similar situations.

6. ### moropanovRegistered User

Joined:
Mar 7, 2015
Messages:
274
62
Trophy Points:
26
60 there is no difference in value of assists and goals 0+51 is better than 50+0.

Pens and Flames likes this.
7. ### illpucksRegistered User

Joined:
May 26, 2011
Messages:
17,663
2,706
Trophy Points:
156
But if Ovechkin gets 0+51 it's not better.

8. ### Critical91Marner, roll a persuasion check

Joined:
Feb 25, 2017
Messages:
9,661
5,968
Trophy Points:
126
Occupation:
Location:
Sitting at a desk.
That's where my instincts went too - 70-75.

Stamkos @ 50-40-90 or Thornton at 30-70-100, those are comparable seasons in my mind.

Gains and Solmors like this.
9. ### Critical91Marner, roll a persuasion check

Joined:
Feb 25, 2017
Messages:
9,661
5,968
Trophy Points:
126
Occupation:
Location:
Sitting at a desk.
Disagree, and it would appear GMs do as well.

10. ### moropanovRegistered User

Joined:
Mar 7, 2015
Messages:
274
62
Trophy Points:
26
Hmm i rate Ovy's goals and assists equally but i will give you that after all Ovechkin has some good qualities he has good shot and is good locker room guy seems liked by team mate's and he has some good deke's his puck controll isnt good but he has had some nice move's from time to time so overall i would say his hands are ok and shooting is very good.

authentic likes this.
11. ### Caps8112Registered User

Joined:
Aug 12, 2008
Messages:
2,127
574
Trophy Points:
139
The real question would be, both player A and player B are free agents. Your team can afford one or the other no matter what the cost. Your team is a middle of the pack playoff team every year. Who are you signing?

Imo the 50 goal scorer (more rare) player gets signed for more money and more quickly

Mc5RingsAndABeer and Zuluss like this.
12. ### Haatleyhaatley

Joined:
Jun 9, 2011
Messages:
5,455
488
Trophy Points:
94
Location:
Toronto
Each goal and each assist are equal to exactly one point.

Joined:
Apr 13, 2015
Messages:
1,505
1,131
Trophy Points:
94
Man, it must be rough on you mentally to be so consistently insecure about your favorite player.

you don’t need to worry about your hypothetical situation since Ovi hasn’t even broken 40 assists in nearly 10 years.

Anantika, Empoleon8771 and wetcoast like this.
14. ### wetcoastRegistered User

Joined:
Nov 20, 2018
Messages:
4,552
1,220
Trophy Points:
84
Gender:
Male
Probably true but you are also assuming that everything else is equal and it never is.

As for the OP in strictly offensive terms it also depends on other factors such as offensive zone starts, PP versus 5 on 5 play and linemates and usage.

Typically (once again all things being relatively equal and they never really are) a 50-40-90 season is pretty on par with a 30-60-90 to 30-70-100 season.

That would be the range

nbwingsfan and authentic like this.
15. ### authenticRegistered User

Joined:
Jan 28, 2015
Messages:
14,949
2,286
Trophy Points:
141
Also look at the offensive output of players like Crosby and Malkin for example when they scored 30 something or 50 goals during their best offensive seasons in similar scoring environments, their total points were roughly the same. Same thing happened with Gretzky back in the day one season he would have 90 goals another 70 but the total points were in the same range, this trend even continued when he went down to 50 goals. I suppose you could argue that they were better in the seasons they scored more goals if you want but I don't really think they were, they're the same player who decided to do one more than the other and their total points were about the same.

wetcoast likes this.

Joined:
Feb 10, 2010
Messages:
8,095
3,370
Trophy Points:
126
It's a massively flawed question. Secondary assists aren't remotely as valuable or indicative as primary assists.

It's like equating home runs with outs that advance a runner. Or touchdowns with 5 yard receptions.

17. ### ThenamelessRegistered User

Joined:
Apr 29, 2014
Messages:
3,013
1,064
Trophy Points:
109
I'd say somewhere around 70 you start to equalize. Getting 50 goals or 100 points are nice, round numbers. In this case, it would just depend on what your team needed more. But, I certainly disagree with people saying 30-60-90 is equal to 50-40-90.

18. ### HandshotRegistered User

Joined:
Jan 28, 2015
Messages:
69
61
Trophy Points:
26
1G = 1A is nonsensical. Just because the NHL arbitrarily decided 1 point is either a goal or an assist doesn't mean they are of equal value to a team. Goals are harder to get than assists because secondary assists exist.

An interesting question would be how do the values of goals and primary assists compare. Probably much closer to 1-1

19. ### ChaoticOrangeRegistered User

Joined:
Jun 29, 2008
Messages:
41,803
14,343
Trophy Points:
186
Occupation:
Hockey related.
Location:
Edmonton
A 50 goal/40 assist player is much rarer than a 30 goal/60 assist player.

20. ### illpucksRegistered User

Joined:
May 26, 2011
Messages:
17,663
2,706
Trophy Points:
156
Nice arbitrary number he had 38 in 81. That's pretty close to 40 in 82.

21. ### Zaide마지막처럼

Joined:
Aug 11, 2009
Messages:
91,242
3,151
Trophy Points:
186
Location:
あなたの頭
Nope, that's not how it works. You're looking at things from a deterministic perspective, which is wrong.

A 50+0 player is going to create more goals above than a replacement player would create than a 0+51 player would above the same replacement player.

Joined:
Apr 13, 2015
Messages:
1,505
1,131
Trophy Points:
94
I was originally going with 51 like you stated but settled for 40 for Ovi’s benefit.

23. ### GlitchMarnerTypical malevolent, devious & vile Maple Leafs fan

Joined:
Jul 21, 2017
Messages:
7,217
3,778
Trophy Points:
111
Gender:
Male
Location:
Brampton, ON
To answer the question, I would need assists split up into primaries and secondaries.

I value primary assists the same as goals. Secondaries are a different matter.

24. ### Zaide마지막처럼

Joined:
Aug 11, 2009
Messages:
91,242
3,151
Trophy Points:
186
Location:
あなたの頭
I wouldn't value primary assists the same as goal, but I also wouldn't say a primary assist is worth 0.5-0.6 goal either like I saw some study from an analytics guy. To me, goal >= primary assists >> secondary assist, which are literally pointless in evaluating players since they're mostly noise. I'd say something like 1 primary = 0.75-0.9 goal, and 1 secondary = 0.05-0.10 goal.

Last edited: Nov 9, 2019

Joined:
Dec 26, 2014
Messages:
20,176