50 goals, 40 assists = 30 goals and how many assists?

50 goals and 40 assists is equal to 30 goals and how many assists?


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895

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Player A has 50 goals and 40 assists.

Player B has 30 goals. How many assists would you say he needs to have an equivalent offensive impact as player A?

Assume there is no distinction between primary and secondary assists.
 

M88K

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90p is 90p.
If they both played for the same team for instance, what is the likelihood player A gets 50 goals without player b setting most of them up? What is the likelihood of player b getting 60a without player a scoring 50g?

if they play on separate teams and each produce 90p, they're both still responsible for x % of their teams production doesn't really matter what the breakdown between goals and assists is.
 

Solmors

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I assume this is how you did your calculations.

If 1g = 1.5a:
50g + 40a = 90p
50(1.5) + 40 = 75 + 40 = 115

If 1g = 2a:
50(2) + 40 = 100 + 40 = 140

Now for 30 goal calcs.

If 1g = 1a:
30g + 60a = 90p

If 1g = 1.5a:
30g + 70a = 100p
30(1.5) + 70 = 45 + 70 = 115

If 1g = 2a:
30g + 80a = 110p
30(2) + 80 = 60 + 80 = 140

If I remember correctly (couldn't find the stat after a quick search) the average assists per goal in the NHL is ~1.7. So IMO the closest answer would be 75 (74 would be the calculation using 1.7).
 

Critical13

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I assume this is how you did your calculations.

If 1g = 1.5a:
50g + 40a = 90p
50(1.5) + 40 = 75 + 40 = 115

If 1g = 2a:
50(2) + 40 = 100 + 40 = 140

Now for 30 goal calcs.

If 1g = 1a:
30g + 60a = 90p

If 1g = 1.5a:
30g + 70a = 100p
30(1.5) + 70 = 45 + 70 = 115

If 1g = 2a:
30g + 80a = 110p
30(2) + 80 = 60 + 80 = 140

If I remember correctly (couldn't find the stat after a quick search) the average assists per goal in the NHL is ~1.7. So IMO the closest answer would be 75 (74 would be the calculation using 1.7).

That's where my instincts went too - 70-75.

Stamkos @ 50-40-90 or Thornton at 30-70-100, those are comparable seasons in my mind.
 
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moropanov

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But if Ovechkin gets 0+51 it's not better.
Hmm i rate Ovy's goals and assists equally:) but i will give you that after all Ovechkin has some good qualities he has good shot and is good locker room guy seems liked by team mate's and he has some good deke's his puck controll isnt good but he has had some nice move's from time to time so overall i would say his hands are ok and shooting is very good. :eek:
 
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Caps8112

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The real question would be, both player A and player B are free agents. Your team can afford one or the other no matter what the cost. Your team is a middle of the pack playoff team every year. Who are you signing?

Imo the 50 goal scorer (more rare) player gets signed for more money and more quickly
 

wetcoast

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The real question would be, both player A and player B are free agents. Your team can afford one or the other no matter what the cost. Your team is a middle of the pack playoff team every year. Who are you signing?

Imo the 50 goal scorer (more rare) player gets signed for more money and more quickly

Probably true but you are also assuming that everything else is equal and it never is.

As for the OP in strictly offensive terms it also depends on other factors such as offensive zone starts, PP versus 5 on 5 play and linemates and usage.

Typically (once again all things being relatively equal and they never really are) a 50-40-90 season is pretty on par with a 30-60-90 to 30-70-100 season.

That would be the range
 

authentic

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Probably true but you are also assuming that everything else is equal and it never is.

As for the OP in strictly offensive terms it also depends on other factors such as offensive zone starts, PP versus 5 on 5 play and linemates and usage.

Typically (once again all things being relatively equal and they never really are) a 50-40-90 season is pretty on par with a 30-60-90 to 30-70-100 season.

That would be the range

Also look at the offensive output of players like Crosby and Malkin for example when they scored 30 something or 50 goals during their best offensive seasons in similar scoring environments, their total points were roughly the same. Same thing happened with Gretzky back in the day one season he would have 90 goals another 70 but the total points were in the same range, this trend even continued when he went down to 50 goals. I suppose you could argue that they were better in the seasons they scored more goals if you want but I don't really think they were, they're the same player who decided to do one more than the other and their total points were about the same.
 
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It's a massively flawed question. Secondary assists aren't remotely as valuable or indicative as primary assists.

It's like equating home runs with outs that advance a runner. Or touchdowns with 5 yard receptions.
 

Thenameless

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I'd say somewhere around 70 you start to equalize. Getting 50 goals or 100 points are nice, round numbers. In this case, it would just depend on what your team needed more. But, I certainly disagree with people saying 30-60-90 is equal to 50-40-90.
 

Handshot

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1G = 1A is nonsensical. Just because the NHL arbitrarily decided 1 point is either a goal or an assist doesn't mean they are of equal value to a team. Goals are harder to get than assists because secondary assists exist.

An interesting question would be how do the values of goals and primary assists compare. Probably much closer to 1-1
 

illpucks

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Man, it must be rough on you mentally to be so consistently insecure about your favorite player.

you don’t need to worry about your hypothetical situation since Ovi hasn’t even broken 40 assists in nearly 10 years.
Nice arbitrary number he had 38 in 81. That's pretty close to 40 in 82.
 

Kairi Zaide

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60 there is no difference in value of assists and goals 0+51 is better than 50+0.
Nope, that's not how it works. You're looking at things from a deterministic perspective, which is wrong.

A 50+0 player is going to create more goals above than a replacement player would create than a 0+51 player would above the same replacement player.
 

GlitchMarner

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To answer the question, I would need assists split up into primaries and secondaries.

I value primary assists the same as goals. Secondaries are a different matter.
 

Kairi Zaide

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To answer the question, I would need assists split up into primaries and secondaries.

I value primary assists the same as goals. Secondaries are a different matter.
I wouldn't value primary assists the same as goal, but I also wouldn't say a primary assist is worth 0.5-0.6 goal either like I saw some study from an analytics guy. To me, goal >= primary assists >> secondary assist, which are literally pointless in evaluating players since they're mostly noise. I'd say something like 1 primary = 0.75-0.9 goal, and 1 secondary = 0.05-0.10 goal.
 
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JaegerDice

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A point is a point, and there are plenty of plays where the pass was more important than the guy tapping it into an open net.
 
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