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Richard scored an overtime winning goal, in the playoffs if I'm not mistaken, while semi-concious. Tell me when anyone has ever done something like that.
Bobby Baun, with a broken leg, scored a cup winner I believe.waffledave said:Richard scored an overtime winning goal, in the playoffs if I'm not mistaken, while semi-concious. Tell me when anyone has ever done something like that.
waffledave said:Richard scored an overtime winning goal, in the playoffs if I'm not mistaken, while semi-concious. Tell me when anyone has ever done something like that.
Actually he didn't. He perfected and popularized the style, but was not the orginator. Tony Esposito, for one, played a modified butterfly style before Roy.Bruins4Ever said:Patrick Roy - Created the butterfly style of goalie.
Crosbyfan said:Richard is the greatest player ever, probably in the top ten of the best players ever.
KOVALEV10 said:Yeah Harvey was 80-100 assists per season type of defenseman like Orr eh? Harvey was a defensive defenseman which is the complete opposite of Orr.
Harvey was a defensive defenseman? Did your dad in L.A. tell you that?KOVALEV10 said:Yeah Harvey was 80-100 assists per season type of defenseman like Orr eh? Harvey was a defensive defenseman which is the complete opposite of Orr.
arrbez said:So he's the best ever, AND in the top 10 of the best ever?
isn't that a bit redundant?
Crosbyfan said:Greatest ever! Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Beliveau and Harvey were better. Hull, Mikita, Esposito and Bourque were close.
Crosbyfan said:Richard is the greatest player ever, probably in the top ten of the best players ever.
KOVALEV10 said:Yeah next thing I know you'll be comparing Rocket to Wendel Clark. Rocket was the man of the 40-s and 50-s. He was the best goal scorer of the first 50 years of nhl hockey. He was the best player of the best team for years. He lead his team to a lot of stanley cups. He didn't care about tallying stupid points at the end of an already decided game like Gretzky used to. He didn't care about stats. He cared about the team. He was a leader. He was an Icon. He wasn't called the Rocket for nothing. Yeah Esposito has a better goals per game average. Who gives a dam considering the era both men played in? Oh and Rocket didn't have a Bobby Orr making tape to tape passes to his stick. Rocket is in my and so many people's hearts one of the top 5 best players ever period. But hey you're a leaf fan so I wouldn't expect that.
Crosbyfan said:Richard is the greatest player ever, probably in the top ten of the best players ever.
moneyp said:Harvey was a defensive defenseman? Did your dad in L.A. tell you that?
Harvey was the second-highest scoring defenseman of the fifties, behind Red Kelly. He quarterbacked the fabled Canadien power play, so potent that they made the rule where power plays on minor penalties ended on a goal (previously, they ran the full two minutes.)
Defensive defenseman? Oy.
KOVALEV10 said:Yeah Harvey was a great defenseman no doubt but best offensive defenseman? I dont think so. His highest assist mark is 44. He was so close to Orr eh?
Ogopogo said:LOL.
Harvey finished 2nd in the NHL in assists once, 5th once and 7th twice. The NHL was much more defensive during Harvey's era than it was during Orr's era so the 44 assist number is quite misleading. Harvey was very good offensively.
4 top 7 finishes in assists is something few forwards have even done. Harvey is tied for #62 on my all time assist list.
KOVALEV10 said:Yeah and where is Orr? I bet he's in the top 10.
Malefic74 said:Sure that's the case NOW, but in the 80s in Wayne's prime Ogo is right. Even casual fans knew about Gretzky. Even hardcore NFL or MLB lovers who subscribed to Sports Illustrated got more than a couple of covers with him on it; he hosted Saturday Night Live (and poorly), and was even mentioned in a couple of episodes of Cheers when the Bruins were playing the Oilers for the Cup. For crying out loud he had a cartoon with Michael Jordan and Bo Jackson on Saturday morning. And Senna is a BIG stretch in that list. The US has had NASCAR and Indy racing in its prime during his time. Casual sports fans were more likely to mention A.J. Foyt or Mario Andretti before they got to an F1 driver. That's probably true of a lot of Canadian fans to (lest someone accuse me of picking on our American brethren).
Hey if you don't like Gretzky that's fine. But to suggest that no American sports fans in the 80s knew anything at all about Wayne is generalizing at best and outright ignorant at worst. I am by no means Wayne's biggest fan, but your opinions would get a lot more respect if you at least attempted SOME objectivity.
Psycho Joe said:Bobby Baun, with a broken leg, scored a cup winner I believe.
Psycho Joe said:Actually he didn't. He perfected and popularized the style, but was not the orginator. Tony Esposito, for one, played a modified butterfly style before Roy.
I still remember coaches telling me as a kid, well before Roy played a pro hockey game, that they couldn't understand how I could make that 'stupid butterfly style' work. Screwed up my knees though.