Prospect Info: 2019 40th overall: Vancouver selects Nils Höglander (LW, Rögle BK)

[Disappointed EP40]

Actually Arvidsson was in his 20/21 yr old season when he broke out. Hoglander is 18 turning 19, but will only be entering his 19/20 yr old season next year. He would be almost 2 years (1yr, 8 months) behind when Arvidsson broke out.

Another way to look at it is if Arvidsson was drafted the 1st year he was eligible, Arvidsson wouldn't break out until his D+3 year. Hoglander is only in his D+1 year right now. Hoglander is old for his draft year, born in late 2000 vs 2001 like most of his draft class.

Ohhh.. thanks for diving into that. In short, that's even better news as I'm still using Arvidsson as his measuring stick. In my (limited) views of Hoglander, he reminds me of him, while also being the same size and in the SHL.

 

[DFAC]

you are correct. I was mistaken.

arvidsson is my comparison for Hoglander though

If Hogs can turn out anything like Arvidsson, that would be absolutely fantastic.

I think a production of 0.5 ppg would be progress for Hogs this year, anything more and its gravy

 

[Disappointed EP40]

They dont really play the same type of game. Hoglander is a waterbug player that is shifty with great stickhandling, while Arvidsson is much faster with a better shot. Both goes to the hard areas to score though. Then again Dahlen was never scared of going to the net to score in Sweden either, but looked soft in Utica.

Hoglander has looked great when I have watched him, but he could use some upgrades to his quickness to be an impact player in the NHL. If he does that he could be better than Podzolkin

I agree he's not as quick, but Arvidsson's stick handling in the SHL was a strength. I think Hoglander just tries a bit more.. maybe i'm just remembering Arvidsson differently but he came to mind.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

If Hogs can turn out anything like Arvidsson, that would be absolutely fantastic.

I think a production of 0.5 ppg would be progress for Hogs this year, anything more and its gravy

Agreed. I had him ranked 7 spots better than where we took him but anytime a 2nd rd pick turns into any NHLer it's a win. I think with Hoglander's size and skill it's top 6 or bust though.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Hoglander (40th overall 2019)
(D -1) SuperElit 1.00 points per game (ppg)/ Allsvenskan 0.21 ppg
(Draft) SHL 0.28ppg
(D +1) SHL 0.36ppg (so far)


We should be looking for a ppg average somewhere in the ballpark of 0.35-0.55 for Hoglander this year, as NHL players below that bar are rare.

 

[Askel]

I agree he's not as quick, but Arvidsson's stick handling in the SHL was a strength. I think Hoglander just tries a bit more.. maybe i'm just remembering Arvidsson differently but he came to mind.

I think Arvidsson had fine stickhandling but Höglanders is elite. Arvidsson is extremly fast, Höglander needs to work on that . To me Höglander plays more like Patric Kane ,not as good just stylewise.

 

[Hoghandler]

Hoglander with 2 goals and a primary assist after 2 periods today.

 

[Hodgy]

I think Arvidsson had fine stickhandling but Höglanders is elite. Arvidsson is extremly fast, Höglander needs to work on that . To me Höglander plays more like Patric Kane ,not as good just stylewise.

Stick handling skills are pretty useless if you don't have other NHL qualities to your game (not saying that Hoglander necessarily doesn't).

Does anyone recall Rob Schremp? His pucks skills put Hoglander's to shame, and he absolutely lit up the OHL too.

 

[VanJack]

Stick handling skills are pretty useless if you don't have other NHL qualities to your game (not saying that Hoglander necessarily doesn't).

Does anyone recall Rob Schremp? His pucks skills put Hoglander's to shame, and he absolutely lit up the OHL too.

Yep I remember Rob Schremp....still playing in Switzerland at 33. Firstly, he was a center not a winger, and 'no', his puck skills would never have put Hoglander's to shame, based on what I've seen of his work at Prospects Development Camp and so far in the SHL.

Schremp reminds me more of Josh Ho-Sang. Stickhandling wizards who play in traffic like skittish cat confronting a barking dog. So no, there's absolutely 'zero comparisons' in the way Schremp and Hoglander play the game.

 

[Hodgy]

Yep I remember Rob Schremp....still playing in Switzerland at 33. Firstly, he was a center not a winger, and 'no', his puck skills would never have put Hoglander's to shame, based on what I've seen of his work at Prospects Development Camp and so far in the SHL.

Schremp reminds me more of Josh Ho-Sang. Stickhandling wizards who play in traffic like skittish cat confronting a barking dog. So no, there's absolutely 'zero comparisons' in the way Schremp and Hoglander play the game.

I never compared the two players. The point is that elite puck skills are useless if you don't have other NHL qualities. Are you taking issue with this point? Or are you just sad that I am pointing out that Hoglander's puck skills do not mean he is a sure fire NHL player?

 

[Askel]

Stick handling skills are pretty useless if you don't have other NHL qualities to your game (not saying that Hoglander necessarily doesn't).

Does anyone recall Rob Schremp? His pucks skills put Hoglander's to shame, and he absolutely lit up the OHL too.

Well Shremp couldn't skate and was soft, he was also allergic to playing defense. And no Shremp isn't a much better stickhandler than Hoglander. Also I dont get your point, really all skills in a vacuum are pretty useless, if you only can skate really fast and not turn that's also a problem.

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

If that goes in...holy shhhh

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

If that goes in...holy shhhh

It wasn’t a great attempt to score, the puck slide quietly wide

 

[tantalum]

It wasn’t a great attempt to score, the puck slide quietly wide

could have maybe tried to get it to his line mates for a one timer but decided to try to make the play that makes people go “ooooo”. I bet his teammates were less than impressed by his decision. The behind the net one was fine. That one was unnecessary.

 

[Hit the post]

Well Shremp couldn't skate and was soft, he was also allergic to playing defense. And no Shremp isn't a much better stickhandler than Hoglander. Also I dont get your point, really all skills in a vacuum are pretty useless, if you only can skate really fast and not turn that's also a problem.

I think Schremp was like a Kyle Wellwood with a much better shot but far less intensity (as compared to Wellwood). Both weren't that big; didn't skate particularly well but had more than solid puck handling skills & "hockey IQ". Obviously Schremp had the more lethal shot but Kyle actually tried to improve his game without the puck. No, he wasn't going to win any Selke's but you saw at least the effort (remember AV laughing at the suggestion that Wellwood was like a man possessed lol!).

 

[CpatainCanuck]

could have maybe tried to get it to his line mates for a one timer but decided to try to make the play that makes people go “ooooo”. I bet his teammates were less than impressed by his decision. The behind the net one was fine. That one was unnecessary.

I think it was Gretzky who said "You miss 100% of the 360 Spinorama lacrosse shots you don't take".

 

[F A N]

I think Schremp was like a Kyle Wellwood with a much better shot but far less intensity (as compared to Wellwood). Both weren't that big; didn't skate particularly well but had more than solid puck handling skills & "hockey IQ". Obviously Schremp had the more lethal shot but Kyle actually tried to improve his game without the puck. No, he wasn't going to win any Selke's but you saw at least the effort (remember AV laughing at the suggestion that Wellwood was like a man possessed lol!).

Schremp was nothing like Kyle Wellwood. Wellwood didn't go around thinking he was better than everyone else. He just didn't work hard enough off the ice to be in good shape and seemingly shied away from physical contact in the earlier parts of his career. But he turned his career around and Wellwood became a very solid 3rd line C in his last season here and for a couple of years after that. Besides being one of the best at faceoffs he was great at transitioning the puck up ice.

 

[F A N]

At some point that must made illegal. It looks very dangerous swinging his stick like that.

 

[krutovsdonut]

was that maybe a between the legs pass with a fake lacrosse shot follow through to distract the goalie?

kid has attitude to spare. needs to actually score more.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Schremp was nothing like Kyle Wellwood. Wellwood didn't go around thinking he was better than everyone else. He just didn't work hard enough off the ice to be in good shape and seemingly shied away from physical contact in the earlier parts of his career. But he turned his career around and Wellwood became a very solid 3rd line C in his last season here and for a couple of years after that. Besides being one of the best at faceoffs he was great at transitioning the puck up ice.

Wellwood was a highly skilled, high IQ player who managed to round out his game to become effective at both ends of the ice. I think Schremp had insane puck skill, but lacked either the intelligence or the desire to become a complete player.

 

[MS]

I’d kinda prefer fewer circus shots and more videos of him actually shooting the puck past goalies and showing chemistry with linemates.

 

[wetcoast]

Honestly don't know a ton about him but would really liked to have seen more than donut in the 13 games he played for Sweden at the U17 and U18 tournaments.

I think that there were better options available at 40 last year but time will tell.

 

[VanJack]

The kid's got some jam, I'll say that about him. A 360 degree spin-o-rama, lacrosse-style goal would be ridiculous. If he pulls that off, it's the goal of the year.

 

[Szechwan]

was that maybe a between the legs pass with a fake lacrosse shot follow through to distract the goalie?

kid has attitude to spare. needs to actually score more.

No, of course it wasn't. Jesus, talk about rose tinted glasses.

It was flashy move that failed when he could have just dished to a wide open one timer.