4 wildcards per conference?

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  1. QuadrupleDeke

    QuadrupleDeke 33% more deke

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    Right now the 6th place team in the Metro is on pace for more points than the 3rd place team in the Atlantic, meaning:
    • the Maple Leafs would make the playoffs as a 3-seed despite being the 9th-best team in the Eastern Conference
    • the Hurricanes would miss the playoffs as the 6th-best team in the Metro even though they are 11th overall in the entire NHL (6 teams with a worse record would make the playoffs over them)

    I would prefer going back to top-8 in each conference making the playoffs, but at a minimum there should only be 2 guaranteed spots per division with 4 wildcards per conference.

    To illustrate how lopsided the divisions are, here is every team that is currently on pace to end the season with at least 98 points:

    Atlantic Division
    Boston (115.9)
    Tampa Bay (114.5)

    Metropolitan Division
    Washington (113.6)
    Pittsburgh (110.3)
    NY Islanders (105.4)
    Philadelphia (100.4)
    Columbus (100.4)
    Carolina (98.1)

    Central Division

    St. Louis (106.5)
    Colorado (105.4)
    Dallas (102.1)

    Pacific Division

    -none-
     
  2. Curufinwe

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    Get rid of the wildcards altogether.

    The top 8 from each conference make the playoffs, with the division winners getting the top two seeds.

    1 Bos v 8 Car
    2 Was v 7 Phi
    3 TB v 6 CBJ
    4 Pit v 5 NYI

    1 StL v 8 Nas
    2 Van v 7 VGK
    3 Col v 6 Cal
    4 Dal v 5 Edm
     
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  3. Dynamite Time

    Dynamite Time You may say I’m a dreamer.

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    I agree, the top 16 going into the postseason won’t always be 50/50 per Conference necessarily but top 8 teams per Conference should be there.

    I’d go with Division winners get the 1st and 2nd seed vs the other 3-8 but this layout as well gets the top 8 into the postseason.
     
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  4. HuskyBruinPride

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    Just go back to top 8 making it in. Seems the most fair to me...
     
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    Agree with OP. Keep the divisional format the way it is, but have just the top 2 teams from each division take top spots (seeded 1-4). This allows the best teams to actually make the playoffs (5-8).
     
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    Might as well do top 8 from each Conference. I guess you could have each division winner take a top 2 seed to make divisions mean something, but doesn't really matter IMO.
     
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    Having 2 divisions per conference cuts down on the old problem with the 3 division winners getting in automatically (I’m looking at you southeast division leaders). With 2 there’s less of a chance that a division winner would be outdone by the 9th seed on their own conference.
     
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    Please just go back to the top 8 seeds.

    Rivalry's will happen anyway they don't need to be forced.
     
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    The NBA has the fairest system. top 8 in each conference make it. Winning your division guarantees you nothing. Orlando Magic won the South East division last year but was still seeded 7th in the Eastern conference, for example.
     
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    Once Seattle joins, the NHL should get rid of the wildcard rather than looking at expanding it. Some divisions will be better - that will balance out over time.
     
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    Yes, top 8 and then the top ranked, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, get to choose who they play.
     
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    Either go back to the top eight getting in (top two seeds go to division winners) like it used to be, simple....

    OR....

    Go to a divisional system, top four in each division make it in.

    With that second option you probably run the greater risk of a 5th seed missing out - as would be the case this season, probably - but this whole wildcard shtick isn't going to last.

    Bettman's ham-fisted attempt to force divisional rivalries is too clunky.

    Once Seattle enters the league? 4 divisions, 8 teams per division, half of each division makes the playoffs. Can't go wrong with that.
     
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    I favor adding tiebreaker games if teams are tied on points at the end. lets say Boston and Toronto both have 94 points at the end of the season and are tied for the last playoff spot. have a coin flip to determine who hosts the playoff game and have the game the next night. win or go home. baseball does it, in fact you had 2 tiebreakers in the NL in 2018.
    as for the playoffs. i'd go to 20 . 7 vs 10 and 8v 9 in a best of 3 playin round, then the winners get reseeded and play the 1 and 2 seeds. you had a preliminary round back when the NHL had 21 teams and 16 made it. 20/32 is 62.5% as opposed to the 76.2% in the early 80s. this would keep many more teams in the playoff hunt and mean the fight for 6th is important to avoid the play-in round . this year the extra teams would be Carolina and Florida in the East ( based on current standings) and Winnipeg and Nashville in the West.
     
  14. SotasicA

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    This.

    But with pure divisional playoffs. 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd. First you decide division champion, then conference, then league. No silly re-seeding or comparing standings points between two teams playing different schedules.

    You have to win your division to battle for conference title. Not get thrown into another side of the bracket randomly.
     
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  15. Dr Pepper

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    Don't go bringing logic into a thread like this.....Bettman doesn't care for such ideas.
     
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    My ptefered system would be that 4 teams from each division to the play-offs but in the first round they would play across divisions.

    I mean central 1-pacific4, pacific 1-central 4, central 2-pacific3, pacific 2-central 3.

    The same system in the east too.
     
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    4+4 making the playoffs in each conference is asking for problems. Atlantic is pretty trash outside of Boston and Tampa and Metro is a blood bath. Right now you would have Toronto and Florida making the playoffs with less points than Carolina and Philly. That’s egregious
     
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    But it shouldn't be about just "making the playoffs". That should not even be the goal of a hockey team. It should be winning a championship. Your division, your conference, the league. If you can't even crack the top 4 in your division (the only teams playing your schedule), you don't deserve to continue your season and battle for a divisional title.

    I don't like 5th or 6th place teams qualifying for the playoffs. They have been soundly defeated in the regular season. No excuses.
     
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    Funny that no one has mentioned that teams in different divisions play different schedules. This is why they don't just take the top 8. Instead of whining about a team with more points missing the playoffs we will have whining that teams are getting more points because their division is too easy.

    Its always something
     
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    Even though most people would like to see a different system, as do I, but the present system also has its appeals.

    I like the speculation on whether in each division there's going to be 3,4 or 5 teams in the playoffs. That number changes constantly.

    For example, Carolina is only one point away from the currently worst playoff-team but as a sixth team in their division they really have to catch up four points to reach the fifth in their own division.

    It's been for weeks now the position that there would be five teams from the Pacific in the playoffs and three from the Central.

    That may turn the other way round though or at least 4+4.

    The Pacific is so close that Vancouver may both win their division or miss the playoffs and we are at 55+ games stage.
     
  21. Trap Jesus

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    The only reason the top 3 in each division making the playoffs became a thing was to create divisions rivalries in the playoffs. If you're only putting through the top 2, you have the potential to get zero divisional match-ups. Might as well just do top from each division and 6 wild cards.
     
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    Yeah the playoff system has always sucked. It sucked when the Leafs finished 7th in the league and had to play the team that finished 3rd. It's never been about fairness.
     
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    What? Points are points. Who are the metro teams beating up on? OK the devils are bad but every division has at least one bad team and the Atlantic and a pacific have multiple awful teams. The metro is stacked that’s why there are six good teams who have more points than the 3rd place Atlantic team. It’s not because of a lack of quality competition on their part
     
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    Actually I think they just let the bottom 8 from each conference in. Seems the most fair to me, a Red Wings fan.
     

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