# 4 player in the Cap era (2005 onwards).

# 4 player in the Cap era (2005 onwards).


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ESH

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Needs to be way more options. Including some defensemen and maybe a couple goalies. I don’t see what Datsyuk or Kane have done to separate themselves from other forwards in this time period
 

Dominance

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How/why is Kane a shoe-in to this discussion? He only had two really good years, and right now it certainly seems that he rode Panarin’s dominant two-way coattails more than the other way around. There are a considerable number of players (i.e. Lidstrom, Karlsson, Sedin) that I see as clearly ahead of him, and a very long list of guys that are at least on his level (i.e. Stamkos, Doughty, Chara, Perry, St-Louis). Same applies to Datsyuk, to a lesser extent.
 
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daver

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How/why is Kane a shoe-in to this discussion? He only had two really good years, and right now it certainly seems that he rode Panarin’s dominant two-way coattails more than the other way around. There are a considerable number of players (i.e. Lidstrom, Karlsson, Sedin) that I see as clearly ahead of him, and a very long list of guys that are at least on his level (i.e. Stamkos, Doughty, Chara, Perry, St-Louis). Same applies to Datsyuk, to a lesser extent.

Kane is argubly the best playoff performer of the era other than Crosby and Malkin for one, and was an elite offensive player in other years without Panarin (who is clearly Kane's inferior, BTW). He also carried a line while Toews got the best linemates.
 

WingsMJN2965

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In Datsyuk's best season, Malkin still got more Hart votes. Playoff resumes aren't close.

And what's the case for Joe T. over Malkin?

In Lidstrom's last Norris season, Shea Weber was undoubtedly a better defender. People often vote based on name recognition better than quality of player. Datsyuk was slightly under Malkin offensively for several years, and was defensively on another planet than him and just about every other player in the world.
 

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