Bolts4Life91
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As a fan you obviously want to see your team win. But at this point losing isn't such a bad thing. Just think if we got the 2nd pick in 2008 we wouldn't have Stamkos. Everything happens for a reason guys.
Thanks! I cut your post down so I didn't post up covering half a page here. 1)What bad habits are you seeing from them that are still from Boucher's system if you don't mind me asking? 2) I agree never knowing who's in net, a sieve or a game stealer is always fine until it's apparent it is the sieve 2 minutes into a game. 3) if there's anything absolutely shocking this season, it has been stamkos. He pops up sometimes, but others, just wow. I agree wholeheartedly. 4) I thought Carle and salo were going to help a lot, but carle seems really weak at times and as much as I don't hate salo he has had a plagued past. Are there any targets you see fit, and any bait for them?
Sorry for the novel here, I'm breaking it in hard and fast!
So we've changed the owner, general manager, coach, parts of the coaching staff, goalie, defensemen, and bottom-line forwards.
Time to change the captain? Something? What can be done at this point? Give Cooper two more years and hope?
Don't take this personal as it isn't but...
What are you all expecting from this team right now?
The effort certainly wasn't the worst we've had, but frankly we're just outclassed with a thin lineup at the moment. We've lost our best defender in Hedman, his replacement (Barberio) has mostly been awful so far. Brewer is taking top four minutes and playing like a 5-6. Salo can only do so much. Carle needs someone in the lineup to protect him when he roams.
We sent Palat back down, who was our best possession guy. We put Bugsy back in the lineup (which, wave to him while you can cause i'm sure hes done here) and sat Tyrell, Pouliot, Pyatt. Its very obvious at this point in the year this is a very glorified audition for next season - Cooper is going to see what he has and cut the rest of the **** out of this team, no more dead weight, no more "lets hold on to him, we have nobody to replace his size", no more excuses. This is why the Paniks, Connollys, Barberios are in the lineup.
I get you guys want to win now, and trust me, I do too. I hate watching this team lose. BUT, we're finally headed in a direction with purpose. We have a prospect pool, we have talent moving up to the big club for the first time EVER. We've never had this. We've got a solid fourth line. We have a top pairing defender developing into a number one. We have a great scorer (that admittedly doesn't play defense), and there are a few guys that have gotten paid and laid down at various points in the season (26 - completely unacceptable, 16, 12 - lazy, inconsistent, always "hurt") and that **** isn't going to fly anymore.
Cooper with a full training camp and a few targeted offseason acquisitions can really put this team back on track. There better be a nice, long, busy, workout-filled offseason for Ondrej Palat because he won't be seeing Syracuse ever again after this summer. Purcell better get his **** straight and learn to backcheck with Stamkos or the both of them are going to be in a world of hurt.
The playoffs were simply a "if you lay down you'll be bought out" warning to the rest of the team. Either you want the 8 seed, or you want the 14 seed. You know it, I know it, Steve knows it, Coop knows it. Notice how Bugsy is skating harder these last two games than we've seen over the last three years? Hes ****ing flying, because he knows his end is near.
I know that post was long, but it was a vent and my armchair analysis on this team. Its infuriating anymore, it really ****ing is. How many years do we have to suck? Im so tired of seeing this, as we all are but damn it, we just cant have consecutive years of success anymore.
You've got players that have been here under 3 or more coaching staffs yet wont part ways with one...you all know who it is. I love Vinny, he used to be my favorite player, he was incredible 4-5 years ago but he's injury prone and hasnt been the same since that Cooke hit years ago. MSL still provides offense but his defensive play hurts us, so do his turnovers. Malone really needs to go...seriously.
You've got players that have been here under 3 or more coaching staffs yet wont part ways with one...you all know who it is. I love Vinny, he used to be my favorite player, he was incredible 4-5 years ago but he's injury prone and hasnt been the same since that Cooke hit years ago. MSL still provides offense but his defensive play hurts us, so do his turnovers. Malone really needs to go...seriously.
Don't take this personal as it isn't but...
What are you all expecting from this team right now?
The effort certainly wasn't the worst we've had, but frankly we're just outclassed with a thin lineup at the moment. We've lost our best defender in Hedman, his replacement (Barberio) has mostly been awful so far. Brewer is taking top four minutes and playing like a 5-6. Salo can only do so much. Carle needs someone in the lineup to protect him when he roams.
We sent Palat back down, who was our best possession guy. We put Bugsy back in the lineup (which, wave to him while you can cause i'm sure hes done here) and sat Tyrell, Pouliot, Pyatt. Its very obvious at this point in the year this is a very glorified audition for next season - Cooper is going to see what he has and cut the rest of the **** out of this team, no more dead weight, no more "lets hold on to him, we have nobody to replace his size", no more excuses. This is why the Paniks, Connollys, Barberios are in the lineup.
I get you guys want to win now, and trust me, I do too. I hate watching this team lose. BUT, we're finally headed in a direction with purpose. We have a prospect pool, we have talent moving up to the big club for the first time EVER. We've never had this. We've got a solid fourth line. We have a top pairing defender developing into a number one. We have a great scorer (that admittedly doesn't play defense), and there are a few guys that have gotten paid and laid down at various points in the season (26 - completely unacceptable, 16, 12 - lazy, inconsistent, always "hurt") and that **** isn't going to fly anymore.
Cooper with a full training camp and a few targeted offseason acquisitions can really put this team back on track. There better be a nice, long, busy, workout-filled offseason for Ondrej Palat because he won't be seeing Syracuse ever again after this summer. Purcell better get his **** straight and learn to backcheck with Stamkos or the both of them are going to be in a world of hurt.
The playoffs were simply a "if you lay down you'll be bought out" warning to the rest of the team. Either you want the 8 seed, or you want the 14 seed. You know it, I know it, Steve knows it, Coop knows it. Notice how Bugsy is skating harder these last two games than we've seen over the last three years? Hes ****ing flying, because he knows his end is near.
Don't take this personal as it isn't but...
What are you all expecting from this team right now?
Don't take this personal as it isn't but...
What are you all expecting from this team right now?
The effort certainly wasn't the worst we've had, but frankly we're just outclassed with a thin lineup at the moment. We've lost our best defender in Hedman, his replacement (Barberio) has mostly been awful so far. Brewer is taking top four minutes and playing like a 5-6. Salo can only do so much. Carle needs someone in the lineup to protect him when he roams.
We sent Palat back down, who was our best possession guy. We put Bugsy back in the lineup (which, wave to him while you can cause i'm sure hes done here) and sat Tyrell, Pouliot, Pyatt. Its very obvious at this point in the year this is a very glorified audition for next season - Cooper is going to see what he has and cut the rest of the **** out of this team, no more dead weight, no more "lets hold on to him, we have nobody to replace his size", no more excuses. This is why the Paniks, Connollys, Barberios are in the lineup.
I get you guys want to win now, and trust me, I do too. I hate watching this team lose. BUT, we're finally headed in a direction with purpose. We have a prospect pool, we have talent moving up to the big club for the first time EVER. We've never had this. We've got a solid fourth line. We have a top pairing defender developing into a number one. We have a great scorer (that admittedly doesn't play defense), and there are a few guys that have gotten paid and laid down at various points in the season (26 - completely unacceptable, 16, 12 - lazy, inconsistent, always "hurt") and that **** isn't going to fly anymore.
Cooper with a full training camp and a few targeted offseason acquisitions can really put this team back on track. There better be a nice, long, busy, workout-filled offseason for Ondrej Palat because he won't be seeing Syracuse ever again after this summer. Purcell better get his **** straight and learn to backcheck with Stamkos or the both of them are going to be in a world of hurt.
The playoffs were simply a "if you lay down you'll be bought out" warning to the rest of the team. Either you want the 8 seed, or you want the 14 seed. You know it, I know it, Steve knows it, Coop knows it. Notice how Bugsy is skating harder these last two games than we've seen over the last three years? Hes ****ing flying, because he knows his end is near.
I know that feel, bro.
The thing is that we've got an offseason to look forward to after only a few more games and then SFY gets the chance to address the issues. Make the bad go away.
If the reasonably fixable things aren't addressed this summer....I can't see us taking that well.
Vinny is still my favorite player, has been since he was drafted. I just don't see him as the issue (even inspite of his contract). He unfortunately has had a long list of injuries but none of them have been due to poor conditioning or some chronic lingering issues. He has mentioned evaluating extra equipment during the summer to protect wrists/ankles - maybe some extra bubblewrap will prevent the freak injury trend he has going. For all of his injuries though, he really hasn't missed that many games, although it obviously has affected his play during those stints. I've always thought that due to his Captain status, he really pushes himself to be in the lineup regardless so as to not 'let the team down,' even if there are times he would better serve by healing fully off the ice.
He is still so obviously gifted with the puck, and while he isn't the fastest skater Tampa can throw on the ice, I am still impressed with his puck control - he was one of the few guys last night who could hang onto the puck along the boards and come away with it. His defensive game is one of the best on the team. His skating speed was hampered even more due to the foot injury and he still might not be 100% - offseason will be good for him.
This team needs Lecavalier IMO and they do not have anyone who can fill his role on this team (and in the community which is HUGE when it comes to growing and retaining fanbases). Before his injury (when he was 100%), he was amazing out on the ice - absolutely in my mind the best forward every game. His skill is still evident and I hope he's around in Tampa for many years to come - it means something to me that he loves the Tampa area and this team and has never wanted to play anywhere else.
No actually he is pretty much spot on in his post. Bishop has let in a terribly soft goal in every game except the shutout.
He's been mediocre.
And this team blows. Pretty much decided I'm not renewing my tickets for next season. Have been fighting it since they raised my prices so much but I'm over it. Ill buy an 80" TV and get Marty life size.
Besides, tonight was a preview of how home games will be next year. Montreal, buffalo, Toronto, Boston, Detroit. Yep the lightning will be playing about 60 road games next year. I just want to punch the idiots who had Penguins jerseys on with lightning hats on. Or lightning jerseys with red wings hats. **** all you ******* "fans" who sellout.
Amen. We iced half an AHL team against the presumptive Stanley Cup favorites. This stuff happens.
Hey, look at Montreal, they had a kid-heavy roster that got pounded for a few years and then overnight (recall that they had the 3rd pick last year) they're beating the Broons for the Northeast division late in the season. We might be bad, but at least we're bad with an upside, unlike when we were a bad hodgepodge of overpaid veterans (see: Calgary). We all like Cuse, but there were always going to be growing pains.
Amen. We iced half an AHL team against the presumptive Stanley Cup favorites. This stuff happens.
Hey, look at Montreal, they had a kid-heavy roster that got pounded for a few years and then overnight (recall that they had the 3rd pick last year) they're beating the Broons for the Northeast division late in the season. We might be bad, but at least we're bad with an upside, unlike when we were a bad hodgepodge of overpaid veterans (see: Calgary). We all like Cuse, but there were always going to be growing pains.
Yep, and not one mention of that on the broadcast last night. Instead, Pierre got himself all hot and frothy with the Pittsburgh machine even without Crosby and a few others.
You can't forget about the mentions about how invaluable their acquisitions this season have been or the distinction that Malkin is a highlight machine against us and lives off of playing against our team. Of course, there's not one mention that our #1 dman is injured or that we've been dealing with injuries as well this year...
Agreed, but the resurgence of an elite goalie like Carey Price has certainly played a huge role too. I can't see either Bishop or Lindback reaching Price's level, but even if one or both become solid enough to play good enough to win us games, there'd be nothing to complain about.
Hedman's offensive game continues to grow each season and he is basically already to us what Subban is to the Habs. We definitely have a more talented collection of offensive stars up front, so it's just a matter of upgrading our defense, learning the system and paying more attention to detail on our play without the puck.
Sure - which is where Vasilevskiy eventually comes in (we all hope).
And re: bolded - I think we finally have the coach that can achieve those things, which is a big part of why I feel ok about dropping points during this audition period. Even with these issues Coop's still sitting on a 3-3-1 record so far.
Don't take this personal as it isn't but...
What are you all expecting from this team right now?
Oh I know. Its this team. Its not that I think they are capable of making the playoffs with the way this season has gone, not enough experience on the team, too many new guys, things just dont mesh that quickly. Its the players on this "team" that just dont play 60mins and just dont play at both ends. Im sure Cooper is stressing how important it is, but the message sure as hell wont get through when 3/4 of your best players EVERY game dont bother to backcheck, but would rather make 43493857 blind passes each game. Its not coaching at this point and its not Yzerman's fault, its the players simply making piss poor decisions with and without the puck, moreso without it. Thats where we get ****ed over every game, not bothering to play defense, and it shows. Not individual defense, but team defense might I add.
Oh, I agree. 100%, he uses his body to protect the puck, wins draws, fights scores, knows when to make that big play, but he's often injured, whether he misses games or not, you can tell he's playing through an injury which is hurting his play. At that price, we dont need him. Sorry to say that, it pains me too, but we really dont need a guy getting paid that much!...just to get injured and then provide 40-50pts a year. Sure if he played 70 games or more but c'mon, you cant tell, and yeah I recall hearing the extra padding on the skates and gloves to prevent injuries but its a common thing for him to go down. I'd love to keep him for a lower price. I just feel that for the future of the team, the best thing for this BUSINESS, this TEAM, is to trade him or let him go. He'll probably get a pass year after year and remain here the duration of his career but I for one am tired of his injuries and his limp(limp as in he cant play 100%) play each year. At this point, I'd consider him in the column of dead weight. He'll always be one of my favorites, regardless of whatever happens with him.
Don't take this personal as it isn't but...
What are you all expecting from this team right now?
The effort certainly wasn't the worst we've had, but frankly we're just outclassed with a thin lineup at the moment. We've lost our best defender in Hedman, his replacement (Barberio) has mostly been awful so far. Brewer is taking top four minutes and playing like a 5-6. Salo can only do so much. Carle needs someone in the lineup to protect him when he roams.
We sent Palat back down, who was our best possession guy. We put Bugsy back in the lineup (which, wave to him while you can cause i'm sure hes done here) and sat Tyrell, Pouliot, Pyatt. Its very obvious at this point in the year this is a very glorified audition for next season - Cooper is going to see what he has and cut the rest of the **** out of this team, no more dead weight, no more "lets hold on to him, we have nobody to replace his size", no more excuses. This is why the Paniks, Connollys, Barberios are in the lineup.
I get you guys want to win now, and trust me, I do too. I hate watching this team lose. BUT, we're finally headed in a direction with purpose. We have a prospect pool, we have talent moving up to the big club for the first time EVER. We've never had this. We've got a solid fourth line. We have a top pairing defender developing into a number one. We have a great scorer (that admittedly doesn't play defense), and there are a few guys that have gotten paid and laid down at various points in the season (26 - completely unacceptable, 16, 12 - lazy, inconsistent, always "hurt") and that **** isn't going to fly anymore.
Cooper with a full training camp and a few targeted offseason acquisitions can really put this team back on track. There better be a nice, long, busy, workout-filled offseason for Ondrej Palat because he won't be seeing Syracuse ever again after this summer. Purcell better get his **** straight and learn to backcheck with Stamkos or the both of them are going to be in a world of hurt.
The playoffs were simply a "if you lay down you'll be bought out" warning to the rest of the team. Either you want the 8 seed, or you want the 14 seed. You know it, I know it, Steve knows it, Coop knows it. Notice how Bugsy is skating harder these last two games than we've seen over the last three years? Hes ****ing flying, because he knows his end is near.