Carl Carlson
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Prospect Info: 37th overall: Vancouver selects Jett Woo (D, Moose Jaw)
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First of all - there is no recorded evidence of ANY concussions. Last season he missed 2 strings of games from injuries. The first was a separated shoulder, the 2nd was a strained oblique muscle. Googling "Jett Woo Concussions" and getting results back doesn't mean he had concussions - particularly if only 1 of the search results mentions concussions and it was a fan post on this forum.
Second - racism may be in vogue in the last year or so, but that doesn't change the fact that it's ugly, reprehensible and inappropriate in any public dialog. And YES it is racist to say we shouldn't have drafted Woo because of his Chinese ethnic heritage. Also mentioned (I think) were Greeks (Chellios), Italians (Luongo) and Croatians (Sakic). No racist likes to be called a racist, but if you fail to confront racism is grows.
Second - racism may be in vogue in the last year or so, but that doesn't change the fact that it's ugly, reprehensible and inappropriate in any public dialog. And YES it is racist to say we shouldn't have drafted Woo because of his Chinese ethnic heritage. Also mentioned (I think) were Greeks (Chellios), Italians (Luongo) and Croatians (Sakic). No racist likes to be called a racist, but if you fail to confront racism is grows.
Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
also, does it really matter if they are playing in a normal league?
wonder how johnny canucker felt about la picking up kopitar.
wonder how johnny canucker felt about la picking up kopitar.
Raistlin
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Dude has a Chinese parent and some of the posters harp about no hockey players come from China.... He's never been to china. Racism is ugly. Guess he's not interested in Matt Dumba since he's half filippino. Or P Kariya, or Kopitar... Myopic.
lawrence
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he was not drafted because of his heritage, my gosh, some of the Canuck fans here makes me face palm all day long honestly. not just this, Cringe Worthy Juolevi and Virtanen threads is just Cringe worthy 23/7. Jet Woo, was the guy I voted in a previous poll for who I want as a 2nd rounder, Liam foundy was one of my choices but when he was taken, Jett Woo already popped up in my head, it has nothing to do with that, he is awesome pick in the 2nd round, in fact I think it's another steal, Vancouver so highly of him, awesome pick. He will be introduced to McDavid and Gaudreau for years to come, wait and see.
RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
Yeah that's always been Ron Delorme's area, but through two amateur scouting restructuring (Crawford and Brackett) not really sure how much that's changed?
At the very least when we drafted Taylor Ellington out of the WHL in the same spot he had a measly 7 assists in 63 games. Woo isn't an offensive Dman but his numbers were reasonable at 44-9-16-25. If you're going to draft a 'defensive' guy high like this out of juniors he should at least be around the 0.5 PPG mark.
Huggy43
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Jets fan here that is really jealous. His family is from Winnipeg so I know them. Jett has lots of talent and even more character. He is going to play an important roll for the Canucks in the future IMO. One of our better posters on the Jets boards is a Moose Jaw Warriors season ticket holder and loves Woo. He played on the top pair in the early part of the season and produced well but the Warriors loaded up for the playoffs and brought in Clague for his offence which limited Woo's PP time and held his numbers down a bit. He is a pretty rounded talent and I think he will be a stalwart on your top 4 for years. I would have killed for Chevy to trade up and sang him.
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Solid pick. Not amazing value (i.e. drafting a faller), but drafted about where he was predicted to go. That said, he would have gone higher if he wasn't injured, so it could turn out being a great value pick after all.
Really curious to see how he progresses next year if/when he's given a more offensive role. Likely could explode in production, since he was initially close to 1 ppg to start the season before injury.
Really curious to see how he progresses next year if/when he's given a more offensive role. Likely could explode in production, since he was initially close to 1 ppg to start the season before injury.
Pastor Of Muppetz
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Bracketts pretty much telegraphing that this player is not the 'sexy' pick, but he obviously ticked the boxes of what they are looking for..
WhiteCurse
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This kids stock will rise like M Bowey did after bis draft year. Bowey put up a 0.43 ppg his draft year, Woo had a 0.56. I can see Woo scoring about 0.8 ppg this coming season.
Kid is a great skater and plays a heavy game. He had Clague and Brook on the team ahead of him.
If the kid has said he hasnt had any concussions i will take his word over any random poster
Kid is a great skater and plays a heavy game. He had Clague and Brook on the team ahead of him.
If the kid has said he hasnt had any concussions i will take his word over any random poster
For what it's worth, based on the CHL data tracking project, Woo's offense, at least at even strength, is not impressive even on a per minute basis, suggesting its not just a matter of being buried on the depth chart. Of the top-25 eligible CHL defenders, he's basically bottom five of every offensive category (shots/60, scoring chances/60, scoring chance assists/60, zone entries, etc.). Data doesn't really suggest he will break out offensively with more opportunity.
He comes out well in terms of zone exits and breaking up zone entries though.
He comes out well in terms of zone exits and breaking up zone entries though.
Weirdly seems like the opposite of the Hughes pick. Almost as if their hedging the Hughes bet by taking a safer choice here rather than risking them both outright busting. Very much fills a system need though.
Oddly enough, our first two picks are high on the CanucksArmy list. It's probably been mentioned in this thread (which is unreadable), but Biech and co. actually had Woo higher than K'Andre Miller. I'm okay with this pick.
Oddly enough, our first two picks are high on the CanucksArmy list. It's probably been mentioned in this thread (which is unreadable), but Biech and co. actually had Woo higher than K'Andre Miller. I'm okay with this pick.
Diamonddog01
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Always nice to see more players of different backgrounds playing and succeeding at this great game.
He is indeed the nature boy.
Horse McHindu
They call me Horse.....
I hear you but take solace. There are also a strong handful of positive Canuck fans on here that try to see the good in things. Haters are gonna hate. Let them be.
Lol, a google search does not equal objective truth.
Don’t they teach critical thinking skills anymore?
I in the Eye
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Jett Woo seems like a Delorme special?
Don't dislike this pick... but it doesn't seem like a calculated one... Seems like one based on intangibles. I think value was left on the table in exchange for intangibles.
Don't dislike this pick... but it doesn't seem like a calculated one... Seems like one based on intangibles. I think value was left on the table in exchange for intangibles.
Horse McHindu
They call me Horse.....
Thank you for the insight!
I honestly didn’t know much about Woo, but I’ve beem watching clips, reading reports, and reading comments such as yours online to get a better sense of who he is.
My impression of Woo is that he has 2nd pairing potential and will be a solid aggressive two way defenseman with some potential for offensive upside. Being a RHD, he will definitely fill a need for us.
just22
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BeardyCanuck03
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Woo may not be the "new age" style player but is still a good skater and a positionally smart player who plays with a physical edge. Despite the game becoming less and less physical, having a dman who can make forwards think twice when he's on the ice is good. If he can translate his game to the NHL, he'll be a fan favourite top 4 all situations player (2nd unit PP).
Melvin
21/12/05
Not really loving what I'm hearing about this player. "Throwback defenseman," "tough to play against," "high character," etc. Meh
Love this pick!
Woo was surefire top25 before shoulder /abs injury
Hes excelled for team canada in every level.
Comparable : dion phaneuf/brent seabrook
Woo was surefire top25 before shoulder /abs injury
Hes excelled for team canada in every level.
Comparable : dion phaneuf/brent seabrook
As I understand it his mother is a Canadian of Chinese descent and his father is German...so no, that makes him a 'Canadian' kid not a 'Chinese kid"...Sheesh!. Always thought this was supposed to be a multi-cultural country anyway.
My only concern is that the Canucks track record of drafting d-men from the WHL is dismal at best...and the ones they passed on like Shea Weber, Keith and Severson always get drafted by other teams. But I suppose you can't whiff indefinitely....sooner or later one guy from the WHL has to work out.
Jett Woo is Canadian and I love his style of play, I’m happy with the pick and look forward to a smooth skating, right handed D man with good size, grit, mean streak and very very solid defensively. Exactly the type of D man we need in the system and on the team long term, I’m ok taking this type of D man with a 2nd rounder and given our weak D man pool it’s much needed.
Totally. “High character” is the last thing I want in a prospect. Bring on Kane, Merkley and Ho Sang!
Melvin
21/12/05
What is the point of being intentionally disingenuous like this? Do you think you're scoring points with some children or something? I honestly do not understand.
me2
Go ahead foot
ddawg1950
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Sounds like he had a good start and then was derailed by a couple of injuries. He should get more offensive responsibility this year and we’ll see if he can improve in that area.
vadim sharifijanov
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uh, i don’t think being canadian and being chinese are mutually exclusive. sheesh indeed.
anyway, you have his parents the other way around. i mean, his last name is woo.
i do, however, have exactly the same concern as you suggest in yr second paragraph.
Lmao Ian Cole ? You just got exposed that clearly youve never heard or seen of jett woo before.
Instead of getting into a pissing match with my opinion vs yours , ill just provide 2 unbiased scouting reports on him.
https://thehockeywriters.com/jett-woo-2018-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/
Jett Woo Scouting Report: 2018 NHL Draft #41 - Last Word on Hockey
They see him as a Travis Hamonic, Dion Phaneuf type... but yes please tell us about your knowledgeable information on him that sees Ian Cole.
VancouverJagger
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The more I hear about this kid the more I like him..........exactly the type of situation I love to see teams target. Guys that are ranked a bit lower then they deserve to be based on a combination of factors. Sounds as if he got pushed down on the depth chart after he got injured and his team brought in a stud to replace him.
I could see a really good season out of this guy next year assuming he's healthy.
I could see a really good season out of this guy next year assuming he's healthy.
Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
He said to "google it" and literally the only things I've found regarding it are people mentioning that on reddit or here. Literally no actual trustworthy source or member of the Moose Jaw Warriors media has posted anything about it.
No kidding. He projects as an Ian Cole-type defensive 4-5 guy. He'll put up points in junior but not in pro.
Although after seeing his mom, I retract anything remotely negative I said about him. Holy smoke.
Eddy Punch Clock
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Yes maybe they should look at country of origin when drafting. China has a lot of people ... how many are in the NHL?
This line of thinking and prejudice is probably why a good many teams passed on Kopitar.
There had never been a Slovenian player in the NHL before.
..... until there was.
This line of thinking and prejudice is probably why a good many teams passed on Kopitar.
There had never been a Slovenian player in the NHL before.
..... until there was.
PunkRockLocke
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Seems like great character kid with a very good understanding of the game. I like this pick a lot.
DFAC
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Just going through this thread and the Madden thread.... is when Im embarrassed to say Im a Canucks fan
The Iron Goalie
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Like this pick, even if I'd have taken Hallander/Tychonick over him. Solid all around game ,with some untapped offensive upside imo. Before the injury, and subsequent trades (Kale Clague) reduced his offensive role, he was actually producing good offense when given PP time. In his 1st 22Gp he produced 7G 12A 19Pts, but only 2G 4A 6Pts over his final 22Gp (due to reduced offensive role post trade deadline), and only 1G 1A 2Pts in his last 16Gp. Give me hope for his two-way upside.
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VasilyHoglander
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I never saw either, but here he is:
And he was actually named after Jet Li... which is kind of crazy.
Letting akil Thomas slide by was inexcusable. Jett woo was picked where I thought he would go. It's a fine pick but Thomas was rated so much higher!
On the other hand he had 17 points in 18 games before being injured. During that time he had an important role. While he was away others returned to the lineup, he got moved down to, at least for a while, 3rd pairing.
A different role can lower scoring on a pts/minute basis, not just total basis. If a player gets to play top pair offensive minutes he'll score more than if he's playing with a 3rd pair guy and defensive forwards with little offensive ability.
So he started out highly ranked, started out the season with a bang, got hurt, came back to a much reduced role and never regained the form he's shown earlly.
In 2015 the Canucks drafted a forward that didn't have big offensive numbers in the USHL-just 30 pts in 50 games. While there was debate, he was generally viewed as not having a huge upside offensively. His ppg was just slightly above what Woo's was this season in the WHL, without the injuries and without the hard hitting. He's turned into a pretty good prospect after winning the 2018 Hobey Baker award.
The Canucks took a flyer on someone whose draft season was derailed by injury. Until we see more of him, we won't know whether the gamble worked out. About all we know now is he did really well in his post-draft interview and doesn't appear to have elite offensive ability.
What will he be like? As my elder son answered several decades ago when asked if he was going to have a little brother or a little sister, "we haff wait see."
Megaterio Llamas
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I was hoping for Scott Perunovich here but Benning wasn't going to go there after taking Hughes in the first.
This guy should be big in Vancouver though.
This guy should be big in Vancouver though.
82Ninety42011
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Im happy with the pick was one of four down I wanted with pick and other two were gone. RHD to boot kid has talent and is offensive was just limited after injury. He will show you next season he's the real deal very exited . We have Hughes, Juolevi and Woo now and in 3 years all will be part of our top four, all can skate I like our future there.
It's absolutely insane how many posters are hating on this pick because of a concussion history those same posters completely made up.
I've seen Woo play plenty and I'm guessing more than you. Any comparison to Phaneuf is utterly laughable. And there isn't a lot of difference between Hamonic and Cole.
If he makes it, he projects as a boring, solidly physical 15-20 point #3-5 defender. Comparing him to Phaneuf or Seabrook is laughable.
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Derp Kassian
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I dont think the Canucks hedged Hughes at all... more like tried to address the biggest hole on our team. Now get Tryamkin back please!
PuckMunchkin
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Can you guys use PMs to pat each other on the back instead of flooding every single thread with this tribalistic nonsense.
Woo is a fine pick where we got him. He played most of the year with a bum shoulder with difficult deployment. Not my pick here but completely reasonable.
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