32nd AHL franchise

[CHRDANHUTCH]

the Blues where trying to tell the Wolves to act Like every other AHL team but the Hershey bears.
St. Louis Blues: Chicago Wolves Demise Will Delight Some Fans

uh wrong, Hershey has been changed over time now, Js, THE MODEL WAS HEADING THAT WAY, THE cAPITALS ACTUALLY BEGAN THAT "Control" in 2005, or every time the contract was renewed

 

[axecrew]

the Blues where trying to tell the Wolves to act Like every other AHL team but the Hershey bears.
St. Louis Blues: Chicago Wolves Demise Will Delight Some Fans

Interesting article...funny though as one should be careful about that little lady named Karma. You know what they say about her and what she is...
As we sit here today a year later...those same chicago wolves went on to win their division...while san antonio didnt make the playoffs at all...and if you look at the current san antonio team they are...you guessed it...dead last in the entire league with a paltry .381 winning percentage and 8 wins in 21 games. What do last years Wolves and this years Rampage have in common?? St. Louis...but of course the whole problem was the Wolves. No blues fans...the problem is your players suck and are bad guys in the room on top of it.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

Interesting article...funny though as one should be careful about that little lady named Karma. You know what they say about her and what she is...
As we sit here today a year later...those same chicago wolves went on to win their division...while san antonio didnt make the playoffs at all...and if you look at the current san antonio team they are...you guessed it...dead last in the entire league with a paltry .381 winning percentage and 8 wins in 21 games. What do last years Wolves and this years Rampage have in common?? St. Louis...but of course the whole problem was the Wolves. No blues fans...the problem is your players suck and are bad guys in the room on top of it.

Wolves fans are lucky any other owner would have bought the team and take total control or even move the team

 

[axecrew]

Wolves fans are lucky any other owner would have bought the team and take total control or even move the team

And you base this statement on what?

 

[Centrum Hockey]

And you base this statement on what?

The blues owner sold the riverman because they wanted to focas on running the nhl Team Dave Andrews has shown the AHl will do what ever the nhl tells them they don’t care about loyal ahl markets if Vegas went with San Antonio and The Avalanche still got the expansion team the blues whould have total control of what to do with the wolves unless they get another partner

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

The blues owner sold the riverman because they wanted to focas on running the nhl Team Dave Andrews has shown the AHl will do what ever the nhl tells them they don’t care about loyal ahl markets if Vegas went with San Antonio and The Avalanche still got the expansion team the blues whould have total control of what to do with the wolves unless they get another partner

wrong, St.Louis sold the franchise to Vancouver, and like Colorado, and the Blues, there was no extension much the same way Charlotte's license got sold, js, the Blues have on and off operated the affiliate since the affiliate was transferred from Springfield, who at the time was a charter franchise, much like Hershey and Rochester, and landed in Worcester, remember, Peoria was an affiliated franchise then, you need to research Worcester's franchise history

 

[axecrew]

The blues owner sold the riverman because they wanted to focas on running the nhl Team Dave Andrews has shown the AHl will do what ever the nhl tells them they don’t care about loyal ahl markets if Vegas went with San Antonio and The Avalanche still got the expansion team the blues whould have total control of what to do with the wolves unless they get another partner

Ok...yes the blues sold the peoria franchise...like hutch said....to Vancouver, Vancouver at that time was exiting their affiliation with the Wolves and the blues moved in to that slot. Dave Andrews has shown that he will do whatever it takes to keep his league alive and solvant...the behind the scenes regarding the western teams in the AHL is mindblowing to be honest. Chicago would have never been sold...in spite of what you may think or think you heard...the marriage between chicago and vegas was at least 2 or 3 years in the making...yes even before they were sure there was a team going to be in vegas(Officially) they were already talking...just like Seattle is already talking to prospective AHL partners even as week speak now. So your scenario of vegas and san antonio was never even a possiblilty by the time st. louis left chicago. The blues tried to get that 31st franchise and were rebuked by the bog...and as you know colorado got it. But to play along with you on this had your scenrio played out exactly like you said...chicago wouldve still been just fine..its the blues who wouldve been screwed not chicago. the wolves are independently owned which means st louis wouldve had a few options...play ball in chicago and go back over a burnt bridge...spread their players all over the league...try to talk aother team into going to chicago and they move in there...they chose option 3...the league denied them a franchise...gave it to colorado and the blues moved into sa...vegas and chicago were already partners by the time the 31st franchise was awarded..so the blues had no choice..as it is they still spread their players around the league to some extent.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

Ok...yes the blues sold the peoria franchise...like hutch said....to Vancouver, Vancouver at that time was exiting their affiliation with the Wolves and the blues moved in to that slot. Dave Andrews has shown that he will do whatever it takes to keep his league alive and solvant...the behind the scenes regarding the western teams in the AHL is mindblowing to be honest. Chicago would have never been sold...in spite of what you may think or think you heard...the marriage between chicago and vegas was at least 2 or 3 years in the making...yes even before they were sure there was a team going to be in vegas(Officially) they were already talking...just like Seattle is already talking to prospective AHL partners even as week speak now. So your scenario of vegas and san antonio was never even a possiblilty by the time st. louis left chicago. The blues tried to get that 31st franchise and were rebuked by the bog...and as you know colorado got it. But to play along with you on this had your scenrio played out exactly like you said...chicago wouldve still been just fine..its the blues who wouldve been screwed not chicago. the wolves are independently owned which means st louis wouldve had a few options...play ball in chicago and go back over a burnt bridge...spread their players all over the league...try to talk aother team into going to chicago and they move in there...they chose option 3...the league denied them a franchise...gave it to colorado and the blues moved into sa...vegas and chicago were already partners by the time the 31st franchise was awarded..so the blues had no choice..as it is they still spread their players around the league to some extent.

The Ahl can give out expansion teams to nhl clubs when ever they want even after team 32 if for example bill foley wants a team in Reno for the future and the wolves refuse to sell and they can’t get a New affiliate the knights can start an expansion team that will take of of the wolves dates effectively folding the team Norfolk Admirals owner forced to sell team

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

The Ahl can give out expansion teams to nhl clubs when ever they want even after team 32 if for example bill foley wants a team in Reno for the future and the wolves refuse to sell and they can’t get a New affiliate the knights can start an expansion team that will take of of the wolves dates effectively folding the team Norfolk Admirals owner forced to sell team

what you keep forgetting is a proposal has to be submitted well before a franchise can be awarded, and Chicago was an expansion team back in 2001, just as the other 5 that survived the collapse of the IHL, js..... it has nothing to do with the link you posted, Vegas elected to go the route they did, the Knights aren't leaving Rosemont, IL, anytime soon if they are essentially got overall control over the existing franchise, there never will be an expansion team REPLACING AN existing team, you forget the League has the right to step in where needed, there's no franchise set in Reno, that has failed

 

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The Ahl can give out expansion teams to nhl clubs when ever they want even after team 32 if for example bill foley wants a team in Reno for the future and the wolves refuse to sell and they can’t get a New affiliate the knights can start an expansion team that will take of of the wolves dates effectively folding the team Norfolk Admirals owner forced to sell team

No they can't.

 

[royals119]

Regardless of the history of who moved where in the past, I agree with JS96er's point that the NHL holds all the power in the relationship between the two leagues. If an NHL team decides they want an AHL franchise they are going to get one. If the spinning wheel of franchise affiliation roulette leaves a locally owned AHL team without an NHL partner, they can either sell their team, or fold. They forced the owner of the Norfolk Admirals out, so they can do that again if they choose to.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Regardless of the history of who moved where in the past, I agree with JS96er's point that the NHL holds all the power in the relationship between the two leagues. If an NHL team decides they want an AHL franchise they are going to get one. If the spinning wheel of franchise affiliation roulette leaves a locally owned AHL team without an NHL partner, they can either sell their team, or fold. They forced the owner of the Norfolk Admirals out, so they can do that again if they choose to.

name an expiring affiliation agreement then royals, and do you forget Levin may have been the owner in Seattle

 

[axecrew]

Regardless of the history of who moved where in the past, I agree with JS96er's point that the NHL holds all the power in the relationship between the two leagues. If an NHL team decides they want an AHL franchise they are going to get one. If the spinning wheel of franchise affiliation roulette leaves a locally owned AHL team without an NHL partner, they can either sell their team, or fold. They forced the owner of the Norfolk Admirals out, so they can do that again if they choose to.

Do you really think a BILLIONAIRE like Wolves owner Don Levin is going to be "forced" out of hockey???
Norfolk was an outpost...much like Abbottsford...there wasn't a lot of tears shed when the eastern teams were told they wouldn't have to make that trip anymore.

 

[royals119]

Do you really think a BILLIONAIRE like Wolves owner Don Levin is going to be "forced" out of hockey???
Norfolk was an outpost...much like Abbottsford...there wasn't a lot of tears shed when the eastern teams were told they wouldn't have to make that trip anymore.

I don't think he will be forced out. If push came to shove he would likely find a way to keep his "seat at the table". He would find a way to work with someone, and make sure somebody else lost out. But to suggest that he has so much power that he could force the NHL owners to so something they really don't want to do isn't accurate either. Maybe in the past, but not anymore.

name an expiring affiliation agreement then royals,

I'm not predicting anything, and I don't think an expiring affiliation agreement has anything to do with anything. I'm just saying that IF an NHL team decided they wanted to do something different than what they are doing now, they have the power to make it happen. These kind of changes obviously take time, so they aren't going to make a decision today, and have a change implemented tomorrow, but they have ways to "force" the AHL to do what they want - and in reality they probably won't have to force it, since the AHL owners know it, and will find a way to comply.

and do you forget Levin may have been the owner in Seattle?

Did you forget he isn't the owner in Seattle?

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

I don't think he will be forced out. If push came to shove he would likely find a way to keep his "seat at the table". He would find a way to work with someone, and make sure somebody else lost out. But to suggest that he has so much power that he could force the NHL owners to so something they really don't want to do isn't accurate either. Maybe in the past, but not anymore.

I'm not predicting anything, and I don't think an expiring affiliation agreement has anything to do with anything. I'm just saying that IF an NHL team decided they wanted to do something different than what they are doing now, they have the power to make it happen. These kind of changes obviously take time, so they aren't going to make a decision today, and have a change implemented tomorrow, but they have ways to "force" the AHL to do what they want - and in reality they probably won't have to force it, since the AHL owners know it, and will find a way to comply.

Did you forget he isn't the owner in Seattle?

you also forget, Florida wasn't informed of their affiliate sale in 2015/16

 

[royals119]

you also forget, Florida wasn't informed of their affiliate sale in 2015/16

Actually they were. Here is a quote:

“I was informed by Portland CEO Ron Cain today that he has signed a letter of intent to sell the Pirates pending league approval,” Panthers executive chairman Peter Luukko said in a statement. “We will be in contact with the American Hockey League regarding the sale process. In the meantime, Florida will begin exploring all our options to put our players in the very best developmental situation.

So Florida knew about the pending sale before the vote of the league BOG, they explored their options, and they chose to continue the affiliation with the franchise in Springfield with the new owner. If the Panthers really didn't want to affiliate with the Falcons they could have attempted to get the AHL board to block the sale, or they could have tried to find another team to move their affiliation to, or they could have ended the affiliation and spread their players around the league until they found a better option. (potentially leaving Springfield with no affiliation, and therefore very likely to fold or suspend operations). Maybe they looked into it and they actually like Springfield better than Portland. Who knows, maybe they hate Springfield, and they are working a behind the scenes deal right now with Vancouver to move into Utica and they are going to buy out a local owner, setting off another round of affiliation shifts. Or maybe they will convince their NHL owner brethren on the AHL BOG to award them an AHL expansion franchise that they will place in Utica and leave Springfield to work out a deal with Seattle.

Again, I'm not predicting any of this WILL happen, I'm just saying it COULD happen. My point is, the NHL teams always have more options, and they can't really be forced to do something by an AHL owner. They might choose to go along with what the AHL owner wants because it is cheaper, or easier, or already aligns closely enough with their own preferences. But in the end, if they want what they want bad enough to spend the money and make it happen, an AHL owner isn't going to be able to stop them. They might delay something temporarily, but they don't have the power to control the NHL owners.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Actually they were. Here is a quote:

So Florida knew about the pending sale before the vote of the league BOG, they explored their options, and they chose to continue the affiliation with the franchise in Springfield with the new owner. If the Panthers really didn't want to affiliate with the Falcons they could have attempted to get the AHL board to block the sale, or they could have tried to find another team to move their affiliation to, or they could have ended the affiliation and spread their players around the league until they found a better option. (potentially leaving Springfield with no affiliation, and therefore very likely to fold or suspend operations). Maybe they looked into it and they actually like Springfield better than Portland. Who knows, maybe they hate Springfield, and they are working a behind the scenes deal right now with Vancouver to move into Utica and they are going to buy out a local owner, setting off another round of affiliation shifts. Or maybe they will convince their NHL owner brethren on the AHL BOG to award them an AHL expansion franchise that they will place in Utica and leave Springfield to work out a deal with Seattle.

Again, I'm not predicting any of this WILL happen, I'm just saying it COULD happen. My point is, the NHL teams always have more options, and they can't really be forced to do something by an AHL owner. They might choose to go along with what the AHL owner wants because it is cheaper, or easier, or already aligns closely enough with their own preferences. But in the end, if they want what they want bad enough to spend the money and make it happen, an AHL owner isn't going to be able to stop them. They might delay something temporarily, but they don't have the power to control the NHL owners.

no they were not.... care to explain why the offices in Portland abruptly shut the day it was announced the sale had been completed, social media was turned off in the middle of a transaction from a potential customer.

 

[210]

Nothing you just posted refutes royals119 position...

 

[Fan of Many]

See thread, “AHL franchise in Sioux Falls”

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Nothing you just posted refutes royals119 position...

uh, 210, who backed you folks when the Peoria market crowed over the fact they stole the franchise from Worcester, my point stands, royals is flat out wrong, Florida was never notified the day that sale happened, just as the fanbase was, Portland media said absolutely Florida had nothing to do with that transaction

 

[210]

And again, nothing you posted refutes royals119's position.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

And again, nothing you posted refutes royals119's position.

nope, I was there, royals wasn't

 

[210]

You weren't there. You were reading information on your computer and made conclusions about that information that were incorrect.

 

[Avsrule2022]

Royals provided a link to a direct quote by the Executive Chair of the Florida Panthers stating they were aware of a pending sale of the Portland AHL team. This was on May 4th 2016. On May 23rd 2016 (19 days later) the Portland AHL team was sold. How can there even be an argument that Florida didn't know this was happening?

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

You weren't there. You were reading information on your computer and made conclusions about that information that were incorrect.

wrong, since when were YOU from PORTLAND, 210, YOU ARE NOT AND WERE NEVER FROM HERE so who do you THINK YOU ARE to comment

Florida was never informed of that sale, it was widely reported they have NO say, just as Arizona had no say over the lease dispute in 2013