30G Winger or 50pt Dman?

[Bounces R Way]

Which would you rather add to your team and why?

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[ConnorMcMullet]

Any decent winger can put up goals when played with a good center. A 50 point d-man can help raise the production of lots of other players on the team. And the d-man would improve the PP

 

[Laineux]

Are you talking about Patrick Kane or Patrick Maroon?

 

[Nizdizzle]

I think it depends a lot on other factors of the 2-players game, but going blindly with only this information I would take the D-man.

 

[Morgs]

2016-17

Defenseman who scored 50 points+:
Burns
Hedman
Karlsson
Shattenkirk
Keith
Byfuglien
Schultz
Krug
Hamilton
Josi

Wingers who scored 30 goals +:
Kucherov
Tarasenko
Marchand
Skinner
Laine
Atkinson
Pacioretty
Kane
Lee
Pastrnak
Ovechkin
Rakell
Oshie
Forsberg
Eaves
Simmonds
Panarin
Arvidsson
Marchessault

 

[Sojourn]

Are you talking about Patrick Kane or Patrick Maroon?

Same question can be asked of the D, too. Not every 50-point defenseman is equal.

Not enough information to make a decision.

 

[Machinehead]

Last year's 50 point defensemen include

Karlsson
Burns
Schultz
Hedman
Shattenkirk
Keith
Byfuglien
Krug
Hamilton

The wingers who scored 30 last year but not 40 include

Marchand
Skinner
Pacioretty
Lee
Forsberg
Arvidsson
Panarin
Tarasenko
Laine
Atkinson
Pastarnak
Kane
Oshie
Simmonds
Eaves

(I didn't include Ovechkin because I think calling him a "30-goal scorer" is disingenuous to his career resume)

If I had to choose blind, I take the defenseman, and I take the defenseman in most cases. If we're talking about the traditional 30-25 winger, like Atkinson, Lee, Simmonds, etc., I take the D.

But I would definitely take Panarin, Marchand, Tarasenko, and Kane over a handful of those defensemen. So it depends on the two players and how strict the "30-goal" definition is. Is it the traditional 30-25 power forward, or an elite all-around winger who happened to score 30 goals?

EDIT: @Morgs Had it first, nicely done bud.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Last year's 50 point defensemen include

Karlsson
Burns
Schultz
Hedman
Shattenkirk
Keith
Byfuglien
Krug
Hamilton

The wingers who scored 30 last year but not 40 include

Marchand
Skinner
Pacioretty
Lee
Forsberg
Arvidsson
Panarin
Tarasenko
Laine
Atkinson
Pastarnak
Kane
Oshie
Simmonds
Eaves

(I didn't include Ovechkin because I think calling him a "30-goal scorer" is disingenuous to his career resume)

If I had to choose blind, I take the defenseman, and I take the defenseman in most cases. If we're talking about the traditional 30-25 winger, like Atkinson, Lee, Simmonds, etc., I take the D.

But I would definitely take Panarin, Marchand, Tarasenko, and Kane over a handful of those defensemen. So it depends on the two players and how strict the "30-goal" definition is. Is it the traditional 30-25 power forward, or an elite all-around winger who happened to score 30 goals?

EDIT: @Morgs Had it first, nicely done bud.

But calling a defenseman whose lowest point total, in the past 6 years, is 66 points a 50 point scorer is not disingenuous?

 

[ijuka]

50pt dman easily...

That 50pt dman could make your 20g winger into a 30g winger anyway.

Note: Assuming the player's skill level is thereabouts and that the winger is actually a 1:1 type player not a Patrick Kane who only happened to score 30 goals that season.

 

[amnesiac]

so....

Marchessault or Karlsson
or
Kucherov or Krug
??

 

[The Macho King]

so....

Marchessault or Karlsson
or
Crosby or Krug
??

Crosby ain't a winger brah. But yeah - without context it's just blind luck. Without knowing anything else, I'd probably choose the Dman, but in reality it's just not enough information to go off of.

 

[Machinehead]

But calling a defenseman whose lowest point total, in the past 6 years, is 66 points a 50 point scorer is not disingenuous?

Fair

 

[olli]

This depends on which player you're comparing. In general though, 50 point defensemen.

 

[CBJx614]

As a Jackets fan I can tell you right now easily easily the 50 pt Dman.

But then again we have 4 wingers who have hit 30G and Werenski (who for some reason is missing from the lists above) who hit 53 last season and Jones hit 42.

 

[1Boliever]

As a Jackets fan I can tell you right now easily easily the 50 pt Dman.

But then again we have 4 wingers who have hit 30G and Werenski (who for some reason is missing from the lists above) who hit 53 last season and Jones hit 42.

Werenski had 47 points, you are probably looking at his career stats as he now has 53 career points with 6 this year.

 

[tony d]

Going with the 50 point defenseman.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

this HAS to be the 50 point D man

 

[Bustedprospect]

A 50p d-man is pretty much a franschise d-man these days.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Depends. Prime Joe Thornton was only scoring in the 20's but was putting up over 100 points. On the other extreme there's a guy like Brandon Pirri who once scored 22 goals in 49 games while recording just 2 assists in that same period. So I guess it depends on the type of 30 goal scorer. Is he a 30/30 guy? Or is he a 30/10 guy?

With the defenseman there's the risk that the 50 point defenseman cant play D very well but even so, he still scored 50 points which is huge.

Chances are i'll take the 50 point defenseman.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

D-men are wayyyyy harder to come by.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Context is pretty important here.
Would you prefer MAB or prime Eriksson?

 

[Gains]

For me it's as simple as 30 guaranteed goals or 50. We don't have any other information.

 

[sparxx87]

What else does each player do? There’s a lot of variance in player quality when you evalute the individuals who fit into each column.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Not super surprised the poll is lopsided. The lack of context is intended, each player's defining feature is their production and that's all that's being considered. The blueliner is probably the better choice for improving the team considering just how hard it is to produce as a defenceman. However, it seems that at least on here, a goal scoring wingers value is vastly under appreciated. This is still a league that has averaged under 3 goals a game since 05-06(this year so far is barely over 3 at 3.06 mostly due to the PPGPG jumping 10%).

This is just an assumption but of that 50pt dmen's points I would imagine quite a few are secondary assists. Watching Hamilton last year he did indeed have a good year but his end of season point totals kind of surprised me. Couldn't find any site that tracks secondary assists but I would bet he had around 20-25.

What if the comparison is 2 players who just reached this plateau for the first time and is not considering age, contracts, or the teams they played for?

TJ Oshie [33G 23A] vs Dougie Hamilton [13G 37A]

 

[SotasicA]

The median 30-goal scorer last season was Ovechkin (33 goals). Oshie also scored 33. Kane scored 34.

The median 50-point scoring d-man last season was Byfuglien (52pts) Justin Schultz (51pts) or Torey Krug (51pts).

I think I'll take the forward. Doesn't seem like a bad die to roll.

EDIT: I excluded 40-goal-scorers for wingers and 60-point scorers for d-men.