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With all due respect, you lost me after the bolded.
Post-Game Talk: #30 - 12/10/19 | RANGERS @ kings | 10:30 - MSG 2
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With all due respect, you lost me after the bolded.
will1066
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Kings laid out some pretty big hits in the first period. DeAngelo got crunched, particularly, and wanted a pound of flesh in return. Clifford was running around. Wagner too. Skjei and Wagner hugged each other in what was supposed to be a fight.
Plus, the Kings are Dave Maloney's wet dream as a small-ice team. Little poke checks and all kinds of frustrating little plays.
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EdJovanovski
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I didn’t read the GDT I only saw this thread but it’s almost as if people didn’t stay up and watch and only read the boxscore. That 1st period was dominant, that first PP was a thing of beauty. Until the final minute LA couldn’t even enter our zone, every time the puck entered our zone our defensemen had it would keep sending it back up the ice and our offense kept coming in waves. That 1st period might’ve been the best hockey I’ve seen the Rangers play all season, it looked like they were an NHL team playing an AHL one. Quick was just playing out of his mind and we had so many shots that give or take an inch would’ve been goals. Kakko also played his best game as a RangerUh, am I the only one who thought that they played on balance a good game and just couldn't quite put it away? Good stuff from Fox, Kakko, Buchnevich (and Panarin of course)... It's simply the kind of game a young team figuring it all out loses.
EdJovanovski
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I’m fully convinced if Panarin played a 2v1 game against Hayes & Zucc he would destroy them. And Kakko is way more skilled than both of them, rookie Kakko I’ll agree isn’t a marked improvement. Every team in the league takes Panarin & Kakko over Hayes & Zucc
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#Norris4Fox
Kakko is 18 and Shattenkirk is showing in Tampa that he’s clearly still a good defenseman. As good as Fox has been, he really hasn’t had to shoulder the load defensively; He plays 18:00 a night, while Ethan Bear for example plays 21:00.
Remember Hayes was very good last year, and Zuccarello ended up with 37 points in 46 games too.
Panarin 3.61 P/60
Hayes 2.54 P/60
Zuccarello 2.41 P/60
Kakko 1.93 P/60
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gravey9
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The Kings game was like watching the 90s-trapping Devils team vs a world juniors team. Great structure vs skilled freelancers. And, I don't, for the life of me, understand why we consistently look like we have the same amount of team structure and defensive focus as an OHL team.
It's maddening. The Wolf Pack play with more structure than the Rangers.
Quinn's been decent at helping players develop offensively. But from a structural standpoint, he either doesn't hold the entire team accountable or the system is flawed.
Just how weak the team's structure is, can't be fully appreciated unless you're at the games. Much of that structure is happening away from the puck (thus, away from the camera's eye). It has to do with how quickly players who aren't around the puck get from one play to the next. There are set structures and positions for every situation and how quickly the players read what's happening and transition to their position on the ice is vital to a teams cohesiveness. Obviously, once you're in the right spot, you STILL have to make a play. So if you suck once you have the puck (Hello, Mr. Staal), then that's a separate issue.
When the Rangers play against teams with more structure and trap a lot (Oilers, Kings, Ducks, Arizona) it reveals the holes in our structure (or the willingness of the players to play within the system). When a team's structure fails, it just looks like there's no pushback, there's no hustle or effort. But that's just how it looks. In reality, it's more like half the team is trying to do too much on their own and everyone else is rushing to spots that are now meaningless because not everyone's on the same page.
That's why this Rangers team struggles mightily against some teams that appear to be weaker opponents.
Last night, a lot of the structure issues seem to be caused by the wingers. Buch, Kreider were floating far too much at times. And as vets, that's inexcusable. Kakko is getting a little better at this but often is slow to his spots and has a tendency to skate himself out of position. And the impact is that it just neuters a team. Rangers had 2 power plays last night. Just 2. They just didn't break the Kings structure enough to create the kind of havoc that leads to penalties.
To put a bow on this, I think a big reason why Quinn prefers Howden to Lias is this reason. Howden, as bad as he can be once he's on the puck, he is always hustling to his next spot. He's positionally aware and seems to take pride in team structure. Whereas Lias has a tendency to float. Even in the games in the A, Lias is still struggling at this core aspect of the pro game. And Kravtsov too was struggling with this in pre-season. I believe, in addition to strength, this was a reason why he too was sent down to Hartford. On the flip side, it's why a guy like Jesper Fast is so positive. He's always hustling to the next spot and he's pretty effective on and around the puck. Against, teams like the Kings, Quinn should be moving Fast higher in the lineup. Let him help the skilled players establish a forecheck and get dirty goals. Putting Fast with Panarin last night was probably the move that needed to happen.
In any case, we're gonna have the same issues against the Ducks on Sunday unless we can jump out to an early lead.
It's maddening. The Wolf Pack play with more structure than the Rangers.
Quinn's been decent at helping players develop offensively. But from a structural standpoint, he either doesn't hold the entire team accountable or the system is flawed.
Just how weak the team's structure is, can't be fully appreciated unless you're at the games. Much of that structure is happening away from the puck (thus, away from the camera's eye). It has to do with how quickly players who aren't around the puck get from one play to the next. There are set structures and positions for every situation and how quickly the players read what's happening and transition to their position on the ice is vital to a teams cohesiveness. Obviously, once you're in the right spot, you STILL have to make a play. So if you suck once you have the puck (Hello, Mr. Staal), then that's a separate issue.
When the Rangers play against teams with more structure and trap a lot (Oilers, Kings, Ducks, Arizona) it reveals the holes in our structure (or the willingness of the players to play within the system). When a team's structure fails, it just looks like there's no pushback, there's no hustle or effort. But that's just how it looks. In reality, it's more like half the team is trying to do too much on their own and everyone else is rushing to spots that are now meaningless because not everyone's on the same page.
That's why this Rangers team struggles mightily against some teams that appear to be weaker opponents.
Last night, a lot of the structure issues seem to be caused by the wingers. Buch, Kreider were floating far too much at times. And as vets, that's inexcusable. Kakko is getting a little better at this but often is slow to his spots and has a tendency to skate himself out of position. And the impact is that it just neuters a team. Rangers had 2 power plays last night. Just 2. They just didn't break the Kings structure enough to create the kind of havoc that leads to penalties.
To put a bow on this, I think a big reason why Quinn prefers Howden to Lias is this reason. Howden, as bad as he can be once he's on the puck, he is always hustling to his next spot. He's positionally aware and seems to take pride in team structure. Whereas Lias has a tendency to float. Even in the games in the A, Lias is still struggling at this core aspect of the pro game. And Kravtsov too was struggling with this in pre-season. I believe, in addition to strength, this was a reason why he too was sent down to Hartford. On the flip side, it's why a guy like Jesper Fast is so positive. He's always hustling to the next spot and he's pretty effective on and around the puck. Against, teams like the Kings, Quinn should be moving Fast higher in the lineup. Let him help the skilled players establish a forecheck and get dirty goals. Putting Fast with Panarin last night was probably the move that needed to happen.
In any case, we're gonna have the same issues against the Ducks on Sunday unless we can jump out to an early lead.
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He's not known for a good system.
The caveat to hiring him from people who watched BU was that he was going to need very good systematic oriented assistants to guide him
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will1066
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Don't get me wrong. I really liked Hayes and Zucc, especially Hayes. But you're looking at comparables with their first years here, and one of them as an 18-yr-old. Next year, or the following year, the numbers shouldn't even be close enough to compare.
Haley will be dressed when the Kings come to New York.
leetch99
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Did anybody get a crack at Brown after that kick on Panarin ? That has to be addressed by our club . If not....somebody has to be brought in to fix that . One designated hit man works for me .
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will1066
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No. They were chippy all night. Panarin went after Carter, in fact. He usually does not engage in post-whistle stuff.
No...they looked tired....the words "too much Vegas" ran through my mind.
In any case, the Kings looked like the Kings that beat us for the Cup.
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Sooo Kakko/Panarin is over a half a point per 60 better. That’s a pretty significant difference
The real Ogie played for me in a Syracuse. He lives in New York.
Just saying...
(You are spot on. We need a couple of aircraft carriers)
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If I could get a young Prust/Lemieux type for the right side on our 3rd line for Buchnevich, I'd do it. Hopefully with a pick coming with him.
I'd like to have a heavy line to put out when teams get running around.
I'd like to have a heavy line to put out when teams get running around.
At least, I think I did...when one reaches a certain age.......Oh, sorry – missed that.
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hey hanrahan!
It quiets a lot of dissonance to imagine that there is a coach in this league who would not only polish this turd into a dynasty, but also that the same person would do it after taking the reins for a few games.
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hey hanrahan!
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hey hanrahan!
It will be a combination of how much of a rookie GM the team has and how much the trading partner team needs to make the bottom line for their sucker fans.
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