Proposal: 3-way trade, Athanasiou to St. Louis, Georgiev to Detroit

[psully31]

Hull & Oates. Adam's stats:

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It's pretty obvious it was sarcasm. Every semi-regular fan from that era and even after would at least know of Hull & Oates, let alone a Blues fan.

 

[wingfan]

After seeing what Zucker pulled down yesterday I have a hard time believing a serious contender isn’t willing to part with a 1st for AA.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think it’s a good offer. Once again, too many people choose not to read the initial post and instead want to react in anger. The initial poster did not suggest Georgiyev is with a first, considering the Rangers are giving up a 3rd. It’s a 2nd+, which is around his value.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

Zero interest in AA

 

[BleedBlue14]

I sure hope we wouldn't make a move for AA. He doesn't seem to fit the prototypical player who strives in our system.

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

to be fair Oates never really jelled with anyone here ........

Yeah, we had that same problem with Brett Hull

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

You "owe us" for HOF'er Adam Oates for 1 yr. of Bernie Federko still. That was one of the worst trades of all-time. Old Federko retired, while Oates had 3 great seasons for the Blues, then traded for Craig Janney & Stephan Quintal. Janney later turned into Petr Nedved, while Quintal was packaged w/Nelson Emerson later for Doug Lidster and Esa Tikkanen. Wings probably win 2+ more cups w/Oates.

Not to mention Gary Unger for Red Berenson

 

[Go Wings]

Neither is Athanasiou.

If you look at numbers between Zucker and AA over the last couple 2ish seasons they are actually similar. Zuckee is a better player on a cost controller deal but AA is still worth a late first as he will be RFA this summer. A backup goalie not so much.

If St.Louis wants AA we will deal directly with them as we have already this season.

 

[TheBluePenguin]

Yeah, we had that same problem with Brett Hull

I vaguely remember a clip of a Wings practice where things were not going well or something like that. The only one who scored on the drill was Hull and he yells to all his teammates "Thank god for Brett Hull" it was freaking so funny to my younger self, and I cannot for the life of me find that video anywhere the last few months, Those Wing teams were so stacked its not even funny.

 

[SwivelSchwartz]

If you look at numbers between Zucker and AA over the last couple 2ish seasons they are actually similar. Zuckee is a better player on a cost controller deal but AA is still worth a late first as he will be RFA this summer. A backup goalie not so much.

If St.Louis wants AA we will deal directly with them as we have already this season.

So what about DLR and a second? fabbri and a second seems more than fair

 

[Kaapo di tutti capi]

I think it’s a good offer. Once again, too many people choose not to read the initial post and instead want to react in anger. The initial poster did not suggest Georgiyev is with a first, considering the Rangers are giving up a 3rd. It’s a 2nd+, which is around his value.

Expecting people to read full posts on HF before responding is setting the bar pretty high.

 

[TBF1972]

I think it’s a good offer. Once again, too many people choose not to read the initial post and instead want to react in anger. The initial poster did not suggest Georgiyev is with a first, considering the Rangers are giving up a 3rd. It’s a 2nd+, which is around his value.

Why should anybody pay for a backup goalie 2nd+ at the trade deadline? Even more so, if the Rangers get their hand forced, if they don't want to sent Shesterkin or Lundqvist to the AHL next season? Georgiev with a reasonable contract could be picked up from the waivers without any compensation, if they send him to the AHL.
If Sakic wants to sign him, he talks to Georgiev regarding an offer sheet in the summer and offers the 2nd from WAS for his RFA rights. If NY balks just ask Georgiev instead to sign a 2.1m/1yr offer sheet, which result in a 3rd and see, if NY wants to match this. I don't see the Rangers leverage with Georgiev with the lack of cap and roster space.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Why should anybody pay for a backup goalie 2nd+ at the trade deadline? Even more so, if the Rangers get their hand forced, if they don't want to sent Shesterkin or Lundqvist to the AHL next season? Georgiev with a reasonable contract could be picked up from the waivers without any compensation, if they send him to the AHL.
If Sakic wants to sign him, he talks to Georgiev regarding an offer sheet in the summer and offers the 2nd from WAS for his RFA rights. If NY balks just ask Georgiev instead to sign a 2.1m/1yr offer sheet, which result in a 3rd and see, if NY wants to match this. I don't see the Rangers leverage with Georgiev with the lack of cap and roster space.

Because the Rangers don't have to send anyone to any league. Nothing is forced. We have the cap space for three goalies. Shestyorkin has forced the hand of the coach, and is now the starter.

Its pretty simple. If needed, Georgiev and Lundqvist simply won't play very much. Is Georgiyev's value going to go down so much playing 20 games a season compared to 30?

And I don't see why his value wouldn't be a 2nd+. The template from Leafs fans was 2nd+Bracco, so a 2nd+B level prospect. If teams don't want to offer up at least that, we don't need to trade him.

 

[Henkka]

I'll just say this doesn't work cap wise and move on.

Everything works because Tarasenko is on LTIR.

 

[Henkka]

If you look at numbers between Zucker and AA over the last couple 2ish seasons they are actually similar. Zuckee is a better player on a cost controller deal but AA is still worth a late first as he will be RFA this summer. A backup goalie not so much.

If St.Louis wants AA we will deal directly with them as we have already this season.

AA vs. Zucker from last 2 seasons.

Jason Zucker, 126 games, 35+36 = 71 points (0.56 points per game) (0.28 goals per game) 16:39 Total IT per game
Athanasiou, 116 games, 37+38 = 75 points (0.65 points per game) (0.32 goals per game) 16:55 Total IT per game

Also that defence thing and lot of minuses are more of team's fault. More of crap defence (behind the 1st line, affects especially on middle6) and bad goaltendeng,

 

[DatDude44]

Lol AA would not fit the way we play. We actually have team structure and play a smart puck management game....none of which he can do

 

[newfy]

Not sure I love this trade but for the people saying AA isnt worth a first, read the article on the Athletic where Custance talks to NHL execs about different trade proposals.

An NHL executive said "I don’t think they’d have a big issue getting rid of Athanasiou but they can get a first-rounder at the deadline for Athanasiou with a year left in RFA." I dont think hes going to get anything more than that, if its not a first it will be a really good (but not blu chip) prospect. A guy with his speed and shot on McDavids wing? Or playing on the Avs could be really dangerous.

I dont think hes a great fit for St Louis, but fast teams should be looking into him big time

 

[TBF1972]

Because the Rangers don't have to send anyone to any league. Nothing is forced. We have the cap space for three goalies. Shestyorkin has forced the hand of the coach, and is now the starter.

Its pretty simple. If needed, Georgiev and Lundqvist simply won't play very much. Is Georgiyev's value going to go down so much playing 20 games a season compared to 30?

And I don't see why his value wouldn't be a 2nd+. The template from Leafs fans was 2nd+Bracco, so a 2nd+B level prospect. If teams don't want to offer up at least that, we don't need to trade him.

If you insist on a Bracco level prospect, most teams could spare such a player in a trade.
But if you expect Detroit to offer their own 2nd (#32) or a 1st from STL, which they acquire in this proposal, you are living in a dream world. Detroit is not playing for the POs, they play for Lafreniere. They have Zero motivation to improve their goaltending situation before or at the trade deadline. In the summer Georgiev is a RFA and the Rangers have two other goalies on the NHL roster. Fast is UFA, Strome, Lemieux and ADA are all RFA. You will have around 17m in cap space. Hard to believe the Rangers would prioritize their 3rd string goalie over retaining any of these players. I am pretty sure Yzerman would bet on Georgiev being available much cheaper in the summer. Good luck finding a trade partner, which overpays with those circumstances.

 

[simon IC]

Nope. Not giving up a 1st for AA.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Everything works because Tarasenko is on LTIR.

Tarasenko is returning soonish, which makes the deal not possible. As long as Tarasenko returns during the season, then we won't be cap compliant.

 

[Henkka]

Tarasenko is returning soonish, which makes the deal not possible. As long as Tarasenko returns during the season, then we won't be cap compliant.

Yeah, but this Bouwmeester-thing changed the whole thing. Probably LTIR for rest for the season.

Wish him best.

Maybe you go after a LhD, or promote cheap own kid like Mikkola/Pouliot and still go after offense. We will know in a month.

 

[Reality Czech]

After seeing what Zucker pulled down yesterday I have a hard time believing a serious contender isn’t willing to part with a 1st for AA.

Contending teams likely aren't looking to add one of the worst defensive players in the league. He's more suited to play on a non playoff team than a contender. If Fabbri didn't play Berube's style of game, why would he be happy with AA?

Zero percent chance of this happening.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If you insist on a Bracco level prospect, most teams could spare such a player in a trade.
But if you expect Detroit to offer their own 2nd (#32) or a 1st from STL, which they acquire in this proposal, you are living in a dream world. Detroit is not playing for the POs, they play for Lafreniere. They have Zero motivation to improve their goaltending situation before or at the trade deadline. In the summer Georgiev is a RFA and the Rangers have two other goalies on the NHL roster. Fast is UFA, Strome, Lemieux and ADA are all RFA. You will have around 17m in cap space. Hard to believe the Rangers would prioritize their 3rd string goalie over retaining any of these players. I am pretty sure Yzerman would bet on Georgiev being available much cheaper in the summer. Good luck finding a trade partner, which overpays with those circumstances.

Detroit has Washington's second rounder.

You still haven't answered why he would be much cheaper at any point.

 

[TBF1972]

Detroit has Washington's second rounder.

You still haven't answered why he would be much cheaper at any point.

Help yourself.

He'll play tomorrow, but maybe this means he'll finally start to get a run of games in a row. Georgiyev and Lundqvist have both been mediocre the last few months.

 

[Debrincat93]

Neither is Athanasiou.

Detroit AA, no, he isnt.

AA on another team, he most certainly is.