3 Tkachuks or 3 Nylanders?

[Pyrophorus]

Do you consider yourself extremely biased in favor of Leafs players?

I always look at the numbers

 

[Skolman]

I always look at the numbers

So Draisaitl is better than both Marner & Nylander in your opinion?

 

[Pyrophorus]

So Draisaitl is better than both Marner & Nylander in your opinion?

He's been better.

 

[Skolman]

He's been better.

Hmm surprised you'd take Drai over both of those 2, thanks for the honesty.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Hmm surprised you'd take Drai over both of those 2, thanks for the honesty.

Going over your question: Together on the same team they are better.
Individually they are not.

277 NHL pts vs. 215, and both are better defensively.
That is 2 players against 1.

 

[Skolman]

Going over your question: Together on the same team they are better.
Individually they are not.

277 NHL pts vs. 215, and both are better defensively.
That is 2 players against 1.

Marner and Nylander are better than Drai defensively?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Marner and Nylander are better than Drai defensively?

Willy lead the league in Neutral zone takeaways and is a +20, Mitch was -1, Leon was -7
Now I know people don't take +/- as a good indicator, but nobody has told me what is.
So how is Leon better defensively?

 

[Skolman]

Willy lead the league in Neutral zone takeaways and is a +20, Mitch was -1, Leon was -7
Now I know people don't take +/- as a good indicator, but nobody has told me what is.
So how is Leon better defensively?

Good to know that William Karlsson, Reilly Smith, and Jonathan Marchessault are all head and shoulders better defensively than everyone on the Leafs. Great point man.

Have a good night, you're a treat to discuss the game with.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Good to know that William Karlsson, Reilly Smith, and Jonathan Marchessault are all head and shoulders better defensively than everyone on the Leafs. Great point man.

Have a good night, you're a treat to discuss the game with.

Thank you as well, for not providing a defensive metric

 

[glucker]

Lmao that's quite the dream you must've had to believe such a ridiculous thing.

Guy who doesn’t score or assist as much and is pretty likely to leave his team short handed isn’t better than the guy who’s dramatically more skilled in virtually every aspect of the game.

Tkachuk makes it close with intangibles, but if you’re building a team from scratch, you go with Nylander over Matty. Tkachuk is more of a finishing piece, not a cornerstone.

 

[ESH]

Keith was much better than Michael.
And Matthew’s the best of the kids and plays a tough hard nosed style that reaps rewards in the playoffs. So the Chucks.

You should actually let him play in the playoffs before you say that

 

[bert]

Willie>Matt

Just cant think bigger than the leafs eh.

 

[ijuka]

Matthew Tkachuk > William Nylander, how on earth is that up for debate?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Matthew Tkachuk > William Nylander, how on earth is that up for debate?

Tell me how?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Its not quite right in the comparison.
Giroux has produced more, but Patrice is great defensively.
Matt doesn't have either of these over Willy.

Matt has played most of his career shutting down players and still puts up elite metrics. Matt is definitely better defensively than Billiam.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Matt has played most of his career shutting down players and still puts up elite metrics. Matt is definitely better defensively than Billiam.

Hard to go against the league leader in neutral zone takeaways.

Show your work.

 

[StoneHands]

I always look at the numbers

So going into the offseason were you one of the people saying Barzal is better than Matthews? I mean 85>62 right?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Hard to go against the league leader in neutral zone takeaways.

Show your work.

What's the point of high neutral zone takeaways if your overall metrics both in Ozone and Dzone aren't as good?

 

[Pyrophorus]

So going into the offseason were you one of the people saying Barzal is better than Matthews? I mean 85>62 right?

I said show me again, Barzal.

 

[Pyrophorus]

What's the point of high neutral zone takeaways if your overall metrics both in Ozone and Dzone aren't as good?

You don't get as much Dzone time...

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

You don't get as much Dzone time...

Tkachuk is tasked with facing top lines in the Dzone and manages to spend more time in the Ozone. I haven't seen a single stat stating Nylander has less Dzone time than Tkachuk, starting less isn't valid. You can start more in the Dzone and still play less in the Dzone.

 

[TheGoldenGod]

Tkachuks AINEC

 

[Brock Radunske]

I always look at the numbers

He's been better.

Going over your question: Together on the same team they are better.
Individually they are not.

277 NHL pts vs. 215, and both are better defensively.
That is 2 players against 1.

Willy lead the league in Neutral zone takeaways and is a +20, Mitch was -1, Leon was -7
Now I know people don't take +/- as a good indicator, but nobody has told me what is.
So how is Leon better defensively?

Thank you as well, for not providing a defensive metric

Tell me how?

It appears to me that you're arguing with yourself...which leads me to believe I'm being spared from someone really annoying

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Its Tkachuks, lock er up! Its Tkachuks, lock er up!

 

[abo9]

I'd take Keith Tkachuk with one of Matthew/Brady with Nylander hehe