2nd pairing, RHD

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Siegenthaler is a 3rd pair pk specialist that would be playing on the 3rd pair. If Fehervary is going to play, its next to him, unless Kempny stinks it up and they cant replace him.

We all know Niskanen and Orlov struggled last season. I said this before and will repeat it. Niskanen was either beaten down by the cup run and hadn't recovered yet or the damage he took was going to permanently take away from his game. I said that the Caps were in a position to know which it was because they had all the medical info. Clearly Niskanen has jumped all the way back because he has provided foundation for the Flyers resurgence. I cant believe that MacLellan didn't know that would happen. Based on that, I judge they traded him for salary cap reasons.

Take Jensen out and replace him with Niskanen and the Caps defense is strong. It would have resulted in losing at least one of Panik or Hagelin as well.

Edit: Yes, I would be worried about two young defensemen together. Even more worried with 2 young d in the lineup with a baby goalie behind them. I don't think the Caps have a choice.
We'll agree to disagree then. I don't see GMBM and the coaching staff making Fehervary play with Siegenthaler. It's a completely risky move that other teams will take advantage of. They will have the ability to sign a RHD and vet goaltender (if they want) with the cap space they gain with Holtby walking. They can sign both to a one year deal if they are worried about the 2021-22 salary cap number and the incoming Ovechin/Vrana extensions.
 

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I think the Jensen they had the last 15 games was the Jensen they wanted. Their decision there is complicated by the situation with Kempny. They have to hope at least one of them is up to their role.

yes of course it was, but hard to bet your franchise's playoff hopes on one short stretch of treading water well (much less Ovy's last years).
 

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Regarding Gudas and his contract, I think that might have been the case at the start of the season when he came off a solid year in Philly, but he hasn't played anywhere close to that level since. He was even a healthy scratch for a few games at one point. With the RD UFA market being a little more saturated compared to other years, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get paid close to what he's currently earning in Washington with retention. Thats neither here nor there because the probability of him coming back is slim to none.

I agree Fever is in Washington next season but I don't think they force a young third pairing. They're going to need to bring in another "veteran" or more experienced player IMO. There's nothing but young guns in Hershey and the Lewington experiment at the beginning of this season didn't go great to put it lightly. They need another body that can rotate with Fever/Siegs if need be.

Will be an interesting offseason. Caps could potentially have a few new guys manning the blueline next season.

There was a point where Gudas was playing well, Jensen wasn't, and the Caps probably had some interest in re-signing him (if the numbers could be made to make sense). Then fortunes flipped and Gudas had a downturn in play at the wrong time and the rest is history.

I'd rather see Jensen @3RD myself. He can outplay the typical competition there IMO pretty regularly.
 
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We'll agree to disagree then. I don't see GMBM and the coaching staff making Fehervary play with Siegenthaler. It's a completely risky move that other teams will take advantage of. They will have the ability to sign a RHD and vet goaltender (if they want) with the cap space they gain with Holtby walking. They can sign both to a one year deal if they are worried about the 2021-22 salary cap number and the incoming Ovechin/Vrana extensions.

It is a risky move that other teams why attack. Just look a goalie with 30 starts experience. Do you think either one of those kids is gonna get scratched a lot? I sure dont. I think the Caps play those guys. They shelter them. They replace one at the trade deadline for the stretch run. Like they have done in the past.

Do you see a scenario where Siegenthaler isnt on the team?
 

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It is a risky move that other teams why attack. Just look a goalie with 30 starts experience. Do you think either one of those kids is gonna get scratched a lot? I sure dont. I think the Caps play those guys. They shelter them. They replace one at the trade deadline for the stretch run. Like they have done in the past.

Do you see a scenario where Siegenthaler isnt on the team?
I'd rather have a goaltender with less experience over a super young D core if I had to choose. There's some recent examples in Matt Murray and Jordan Binnington of guys with very little NHL experience winning a Stanley Cup.

Regarding Siegs, I'd say you can't rule it out. If they end up re-upping Dillon I can see Siegs being gone. That gives Dillon and Fehervary (who's PK game is just as solid as Seigs IMO) to pick up the PK duties along with Orlov.
 

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Getting a 2nd full training camp could be a good opportunity for the trade deadline pick ups to get chemistry with the team
 
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I'd rather have a goaltender with less experience over a super young D core if I had to choose. There's some recent examples in Matt Murray and Jordan Binnington of guys with very little NHL experience winning a Stanley Cup.

Regarding Siegs, I'd say you can't rule it out. If they end up re-upping Dillon I can see Siegs being gone. That gives Dillon and Fehervary (who's PK game is just as solid as Seigs IMO) to pick up the PK duties along with Orlov.

There are examples of winning with young defensemen in primary roles and with young goalies. I prefer veterans. Defense is always played better by experience than by skill. The Caps wasted top end playoff teams because they went 5 seasons in a row with a rookie goaltender as their starter. They wasted top end playoff teams by going with a defense that was too young.

My point here isn't that veterans are better, its that the Caps will have limited options. Very likely they will have 2 young defensemen and the kid goalie in the game every night. I also think its not likely that Dillon stays. If by chance he does, its because Kempny or Jensen are gone. Siegenthaler isn't going anywhere. He is too cheap.
 
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There are examples of winning with young defensemen in primary roles and with young goalies. I prefer veterans. Defense is always played better by experience than by skill. The Caps wasted top end playoff teams because they went 5 seasons in a row with a rookie goaltender as their starter. They wasted top end playoff teams by going with a defense that was too young.

My point here isn't that veterans are better, its that the Caps will have limited options. Very likely they will have 2 young defensemen and the kid goalie in the game every night. I also think its not likely that Dillon stays. If by chance he does, its because Kempny or Jensen are gone. Siegenthaler isn't going anywhere. He is too cheap.
Solid points. I just think it’s “easier” to win a Stanley Cup with a younger goaltender than it would be with a young d core.

The Rona has certainly screwed a lot of the league with the salary cap staying flat. Will be an interesting offseason for the league overall. I suspect lots of action from teams that were banking on the cap increase
 

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Solid points. I just think it’s “easier” to win a Stanley Cup with a younger goaltender than it would be with a young d core.

The Rona has certainly screwed a lot of the league with the salary cap staying flat. Will be an interesting offseason for the league overall. I suspect lots of action from teams that were banking on the cap increase

The way COVID has been handled and let loose again, I am not planning on any sports returning. If they moved the games to the EU, they would get played. Not here.

I don't really agree that its easier. The Caps won with a young defenseman on the 3rd pair. Even if Fehervary isn't ready for primetime and stinks up the show, the Caps still make the playoffs. They get a Dillon like figure at the trade deadline and the d is fine. The young goalie happens now and then but that doesn't mean that its easier. There is little that Carlson, Kempny, Orlov, Niskanen and Orpik can do with a squishy goalie. We saw that v Montreal in 2010. Varly lost that series as much as Halak won it. I don't think the Caps are much of a threat with Samsonov.
 

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Reminder: you cant protect all of Carlson, Orlov, Dillon and Siegenthaler.

No, but you need at least 4 legit top 4 defensemen to compete at cup level. So, you are going to lose one anyway. In specifics, Dillon isn't likely to stay anyway and is a moot point
 

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I haven't looked too closely at the numbers, assuming Holtby is gone and the raises others are due, but I figured that they would let Gudas go without making an offer, but try to re-sign Dillon. I think he is their answer to a stable veteran, just in case all that youth isn't ready next year.

With all that said, I'm not sure what kind of raise he would ordinarily be due, and no one knows quite what the pandemic-related aftershocks are going to do to salaries for middle-tier, non-stars with two years of flat cap and a slight increase the year afterwards. A lot of players could be looking at very short deals, when otherwise they would be seeking four to five years.

My default assumption is that players will be looking for stability and low-risk options. That may be all wrong, though. Predictions right now are based on a whole lot of nothing.

Generally, I'm in favor of promoting the kids who are ready to shoulder the burden, but having a veteran in case too many of them faceplant out of the gate. Hopefully Alexeev and Fehervary shine and take top-six roles... but you probably can't bank on that if you are a contending club.
 

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Fever has earned his shot IMO and the cap almost dictates he gets it next year. AA has another 1.5-2 years before it’s his time IMO.
 

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Why of all options they acquired Dillon was a mystery at the time and a mystery today...

Best defenseman they could get in the price range they wanted to spend in. Provided skill set needed. Provided playoff experience.
 

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Best defenseman they could get in the price range they wanted to spend in. Provided skill set needed. Provided playoff experience.
Umm from what I've seen from him last season with the Sharks and what he'd been showing until the corona break with the Caps he looked pretty mediocre. Jonas can easily provide the same skillset for less money. They need another Orpik but there's none. And they need a guy this thread is about. They weren't able to draft someone 0f that caliber in the last decade. The price is high, I get it, but their chances of winning without a capable 2nd pairing are near zero. They need to address that need in the offseason even if that means readjusting the core and cap structure.
 

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Just a reminder that this coaching staff as proven year after year that who you play with doesn’t equate to how much ice time, or even what matchups, you receive. They could well give Siegs and Fever third pairing minutes, but each of them be paired with a top-4 defensemen. For most of the RS leading up to the cup win, both Bowey and Djoos were in the lineup, but neither of them played any significant minutes together.
 

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Just a reminder that this coaching staff as proven year after year that who you play with doesn’t equate to how much ice time, or even what matchups, you receive. They could well give Siegs and Fever third pairing minutes, but each of them be paired with a top-4 defensemen. For most of the RS leading up to the cup win, both Bowey and Djoos were in the lineup, but neither of them played any significant minutes together.
That was a different coaching staff though.
 

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