Confirmed Signing with Link: 26 players have filed for Salary Arbitration *Updated with Arbitration schedule *

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  1. serp Registered User

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    26 Players Elect Salary Arbitration

    2020 Salary Arbitration schedule

    October 20
    Andre Mangiapane (CGY) - signed October 16
    Anthony DeAngelo (NYR) - signed October 15
    Matthew Grzelcyk (BOS) - signed October 17

    October 21
    Ilya Mikheyev (TOR) - signed October 20

    October 22
    Connor Brown (OTT) - signed October 22

    October 25
    Tyler Bertuzzi (DET) - awarded $3.5M and signed October 27

    October 26
    Linus Ullmark (BUF) - signed October 25

    October 27
    Sam Reinhart (BUF) - signed October 25

    October 28
    Jake Virtanen (VAN) - signed October 22

    October 30
    Joshua Ho-Sang(NYI) - signed October 27

    October 31
    Devon Toews (COL) - signed October 27
    Alexander Georgiev (NYR) - signed October 15

    November 1
    Nicholas Paul (OTT) - signed October 14

    November 2
    Gustav Forsling (CAR) - signed October 24

    November 4
    Victor Olofsson (BUF)
    Warren Foegele (CAR)

    November 5
    Ryan Strome (NYR)

    November 6
    Brendan Lemieux (NYR)
    Ryan Pulock (NYI)

    November 7
    Christian Jaros (OTT)

    November 8
    Chris Tierney (OTT) - signed October 26
    MacKenzie Weegar (FLA)
    Haydn Fleury (CAR) - signed October 27
     
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    No, arbitration has no bearing on UFA status unless the team walks away.

    Apparently there's a rule this year that if a team walks away from arbitration, the player can sign with the team anyway 4 days later at the amount the team offered in arbitration. During that 4 days, they are free to sign with anyone.

    Ho-Sang won't get enough that the team could walk away, but he could end up being a UFA anyway. He has to play a certain number of games by a certain age for NYI to retain his rights. I think the number is 160 for skaters, and he won't get to that, so he probably will be UFA after this deal.
     
  3. HabsWhiteKnightLOL Registered User

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    Man they are sure working hella slow. 1 player a day
     
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    Very different kind of year with a locked cap and no ticket revenue. And possibly no or limited revenue from tickets at least at the start of the season. I’d be willing to bet a lot of these arbitration’s do not get qualified and they go to the UFA market having to sign these low end deals that a lot of players are signing.
     
  5. Leafs87 Mr. Steal Your Job

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    Meh. I can only remember a few times teams were grabbed by the balls by this process. Stone with Sens and Preds with Weber. Both superstars and no players of that caliber available this year. Stone was looking to get out and got traded. Weber was loooking to get out and signed an offer sheet the following year and was later traded.

    I doubt the players this year go in with such unrealistic demands as those two did. I also doubt arbitrator will throw teams in these types of situations given the year


    Also a comparable usually signs for more years than 1-2. So a comparable player on a 6-8 year deal should not reflect the hearing value as that comparable player would of never got that on a 1-2 year deal.
     
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    No.. the trade was made July 1st. Ceci would have to be tendered a QO before July 1st for the Sens to be able to keep his rights. His previous contract was 4,300,000. Ceci probably just accepted the QO knowing that he wasn't going to get a long term deal and going to arbitration could leave him with no contract.
     
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    The Sens qualified him.
    They then traded him. so the Leafs had a player with a qualifying offer on the table.
    Ceci had the option of going to arbitration (I can't remember if he had filed yet or not).
    The Leafs offered him a contract above the QO and signed him.

    He was qualified for $4.3, but the Leafs signed him for $4.5.
     
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    Weird they gave him 200,000 more, but regardless he was guarenteed a 1 year, 4,300,000 contract.
     
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    Yeah, they did that to avoid arbitration. It was a weird situation, having a team sign his QO, then cap dump trade him before anything was signed. It could have gone to arbitration, and depending on the amount, could have been binding. Or he could have signed the QO. There were about 4 or 5 different possible outcomes, and most of them had Cody Ceci on the team. I think it was half in the Leafs plans, and if not him, they would have been on the hook to find another NHL capable Dman (which Ceci is, although certainly not a $4.5M one, and certainly not a top 4). So they just signed him just above the QO to avoid arbitration, bit the bullet, and took him on for one year, to try to see if he might be better away from that tire fire in Ottawa. He wasn't, and he's gone now.

    It was basically the accepted price to get rid of Zaitsev. Who, by the way, isn't a bad dman, unfortunately his contract was a problem for the Leafs. If he had a less $/term contract, I would have had no issues keeping him around.
     
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    Oh yeah, it was a great situation for Ottawa and a neccisary one for Toronto. Curious to see how Brown is valued on his second contract because that's what the team misses the most but couldn't afford.
     
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    Why was it a great situation for Ottawa? They never should have gave him the QO. Instead of a cap dump, they could have picked up Zaitsev and acquired picks instead of dumping Ceci. It's bizarre they gave him the offer. I'm not sure why you would qualify someone at a price that makes you a cap dump, then dump him.
     
  12. Machinae Registered User

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    Well, they had him in a prominent role in the past and likely believed it would be bad asset management to let him go for nothing. In the end they got Connor Brown and made a lateral move in taking Zaitsev.
     
  13. Fig Hindsight is 2020 for all the bad years.

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    I wonder if in theory you could deploy the strategy where if you're within $500K, put the offer a buck over the walk away limit. Then push for that amount in arbitration with full intention of walking away.

    Dick move, but these are unprecedented times.
     
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    I'm surprised hosang was even qualified.
     
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    Expect the Rangers to deal both Strome and TDA after.
     
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    Can this get stickied, or at least put in that thread that is stickied with links to threads that used to be stickied.


    Never wrote sticked so much in my life.

    Thanks
     
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    Seems like Lou sticking it to JHS. You think we're just cutting you loose? We control what happens next.

    Arbitration was the real surprise. The comparables are all over the map, and no one has a one-way deal. You have guys making 700-900k at the NHL level and 70 to 325k at the AHL level.
     
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    Buffalo will be interesting.
     
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    That was a pretty sticky post, mate.
     
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    Once a player elects for go to arbitration the team and player have to accept the terms of the arbitrators decision unless the amount awards is over the walk away amount which is over $4 mill.

    so if Virtanen was awarded say $3 mill that is what the Canucks would have to have him on their roster at. They could trade him but they would not be able to walk away from the award.
     
  22. serp Registered User

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    $4,538,958 to be precise. Anything more and teams can walk away .
     
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    IIRC, correctly Arbitrator is NOT bound to choose between Team/Player ##,
    Arbitrator can designate whatever amount he deems.
    But also very most of cases settle before the arbitrator returns his decision.

    1st 2 posts above may reflect incomplete understanding of NHL Arbitration

    anyone can see section 12 of CBA
     
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  24. mouser Business of Hockey

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    NHL arbitration is not “winner take all”. The arbitrator doesn’t choose one side, and technically isn’t even obligated to choose a number between the two parties.

    As opposed to the MLB where the arbitrator must select either the player or team’s arbitration number.
     
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    I was not saying that in what players will be awarded. Only in what teams will Be willing to qualify.
     
  26. Investigator The stars are better off without us.

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    I’m fully aware. What I was saying was teams may not want to qualify players they normally would in a non covid year.
     

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