25 under 25 - HF Edition - #2

[1865]

First one was a landslide as expected, Provy wins by a distance. Poll 2 open.

#1 - Ivan Provorov - 87.3%

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From Original Thread:

Figured this is fun elsewhere, thought we'd see if we could get a collective together before the new season. 24 hours for each poll as they go.

You answer the questions how you feel of course, but i base my rankings on potential. This way you'll probably see a risky Ratcliffe over a reliable Laughton. Others see NHL experience as a bigger positive than a question mark, it's up to you.

I think #1 is going to be a bit of a whitewash, but here we go.

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[MacDonald4MVP]

If Kony was C there's no question he would be consensus n2 and for a good reason. He is the better player.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

If Kony was C there's no question he would be consensus n2 and for a good reason. He is the better player.

Better than who? NP? The Neck in his second year scored 17 more points than Patrick in his rookie year last season with more TOI and more games (and probably better linemates but I honestly don't remember who The Neck was playing with most of the year...maybe it was Patrick haha). Patrick has too much potential to list anywhere but 1 or 2, that could change as time moves on, but right now he is solidly at #2 regardless or where The Neck plays.

 

[David St Hubbins]

NP. Then TK

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Still have no idea what we are doing, but I voted for Hart. If he pans out, he will be the most important player we have had in three-plus decades.

 

[wasup]

#1 Prov #2 Patrick #3 TK #4 Hart #5 Sandheim #6 Frost #7 Myers #8 Farabee #9 Linnblom #10 Allison # 11 Laughtn #12 Hagg #13 Vorobev #14 Rubtsov #15 O'Brien
How am i doing so far?

 

[1865]

Still have no idea what we are doing, but I voted for Hart. If he pans out, he will be the most important player we have had in three-plus decades.

What part of it don't you get bud? It's a poll of our top 25 players under 25. As i put in the OP, you vote for them under your own criteria if you wish but i'm doing it on potential, on their ceiling and how much i believe they'll reach it.

 

[RANKKA]

you guys are saying by potential TK is 3rd im gonna vote like 4 guys before him

 

[RANKKA]

#1 Prov #2 Patrick #3 TK #4 Hart #5 Sandheim #6 Frost #7 Myers #8 Farabee #9 Linnblom #10 Allison # 11 Laughtn #12 Hagg #13 Vorobev #14 Rubtsov #15 O'Brien
How am i doing so far?

s.hit

 

[FlyTimmo]

you guys are saying by potential TK is 3rd im gonna vote like 4 guys before him

Sanheim... maybe.

Hart... if you are big believer than ok.

But who are these other two guys that you would put above a ~25g ~50p 21 year old, who was 9th in the NHL in 5v5 points post-Christmas?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

What part of it don't you get bud? It's a poll of our top 25 players under 25. As i put in the OP, you vote for them under your own criteria if you wish but i'm doing it on potential, on their ceiling and how much i believe they'll reach it.

I guess I don't get why it's different from the polls we are running already. That's not a criticism of the thread, I just don't know what's different.

EDIT: I mean I understand that it includes some guys who are not prospects anymore for the other thread. I guess that's the difference.

 

[RANKKA]

Sanheim... maybe.

Hart... if you are big believer than ok.

But who are these other two guys that you would put above a ~25g ~50p 21 year old, who was 9th in the NHL in 5v5 points post-Christmas?

not even sanheim lol, hart, myers, frost, farabee

 

[deadhead]

If Kony was C there's no question he would be consensus n2 and for a good reason. He is the better player.

Last year. With Patrick coming off surgery.

TK might have more scoring potential but Patrick will impact games in far more ways than TK, similar to Couts he'll take faceoffs, be matched against top centers, play on the PP and the PK (and he's already a better PP player than TK).
When you look at overall value, it's not even close, even if TK becomes a 40 goal scorer.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

you guys are saying by potential TK is 3rd im gonna vote like 4 guys before him

Well your list is wrong then.

 

[FlyTimmo]

not even sanheim lol, hart, myers, frost, farabee

You are entitled to your own opinion, I guess.

 

[RANKKA]

Well your list is wrong then.

You are entitled to your own opinion, I guess.

ill guess we see in coming years

 

[Stizzle]

not even sanheim lol, hart, myers, frost, farabee

 

[Stizzle]

Sanheim... maybe.

Hart... if you are big believer than ok.

Sanheim... correct.

Hart... very, very wrong.

 

[RANKKA]

TK gonna be more valuable than Hart? agree to disagree then

 

[FlyTimmo]

TK gonna be more valuable than Hart? agree to disagree then

If Hart reaches his potential, he could be more valuable than either Patrick or Provorov. A steady franchise goaltender than can put up solid numbers for the next 15 years is a rare thing indeed. But, the jump from juniors to pro leagues has proved difficult for many goalies. Few if any have been as talented as Hart to we'll have to see. If you did this list again next January and Hart is destroying the AHL, then I think plenty of people could put him above TK and not recieve too much flak.

 

[dirtydantheflyersman]

This is Patrick rather easily. TK doesn't have #1C potential like Nolan does.

 

[Stizzle]

TK gonna be more valuable than Hart? agree to disagree then

The Carter Hart hype is out of control. It's a joke at this point.

TK was one of the better even strength point producers in the whole league after being bumped up last year. Total electricity. You value a junior goalie more?

I don't see how you can even consider passing on guys like Sanheim or Myers for Hart. These are likely top 4 defensemen with immense physical gifts. Again, you'd rather have a junior goalie over those horses?

Are we forgetting how highly volatile goalies are?

 

[RANKKA]

The Carter Hart hype is out of control. It's a joke at this point.

TK was one of the better even strength point producers in the whole league after being bumped up last year. Total electricity. You value a junior goalie more?

I don't see how you can even consider passing on a guys like Sanheim or Myers for Hart. These are practically sure-fire top 4 defensemen with immense physical gifts. Again, you'd rather have a junior goalie over those horses?

Are we forgetting how highly volatile goalies are?

just voting for the potential mate

 

[flyersfan187]

Provorov, Patrick, Hart, Myers, TK, Frost and Sanheim would be my top 7, in that order, based on where I see them in their primes. After that it is harder to say.

 

[BernieParent]

NP. Then TK

Thanks, Spoiler Alert Man!