2021 Seattle Expansion Thread

[Pigge]

Given the new signings what has changed?

1. Forsling has become a top D
2. Bennett and Verhaege are definitely being protected
3. Do we protect Hornqvist?
4. Will Yandle waive his NMC?
5. Could we use cap retention to get rid of Stralman?
6. Zito sent away a good bit of futures recently: what do we sell to Seattle?

1. It would be nice to keep Forsling, but possibly not the end of the world to lose him either. Especially if Montour can be extended.
3. There is no reason to protect Hornqvist. His leadership is awesome, but he won't get better on the ice and his cap hit is massive for two more years. I doubt Seattle would take him, but that would also mean we keep Forsling.
4. I keep expecting him not too, but it's unlikely Seattle would take him and it would be a nice gesture after the team has treated Yandle well this year.
5. I assume Stralman will be bought out. It would cut his cap hit by more than half next year and only add $1.5M the year after.

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

I'm still confused on Forsling's status on how needs to be protected.

 

[Pigge]

I'm still confused on Forsling's status on how needs to be protected.

Seattle can take him if he is not protected. The only difference from a contracted player is that he does not count towards the required number of players that need to be left exposed.

 

[PanthersHockey1]

Maybe its because i think good defenseman are harder to find but fwiw i'd rather protect forsling, gudas and nutivarra at this point over Horqnvist and Accari.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Just a reminder that every team is going to lose a player their fanbase sees as useful.

Spending assets to protect middling players is stupid, and we don't have to dig far back to see why

 

[ProjectPanthers]

Just a reminder that every team is going to lose a player their fanbase sees as useful.

Spending assets to protect middling players is stupid, and we don't have to dig far back to see why

You're right but in this case keeping Forsling over Yandle is a must. Yandle's time with this team is all but done and so is his usefulness as an everyday NHL player.

Wasting 1 out of 11 spots on him is bad management. I agree not risking anything to protect a guy like Acciari or Hornqvist but Forsling has been special for the better part of a few months and having to keep Yandle over him would suck ass. Yes I know we were burnt by this situation before but no chance Zito is as dumb as Tallon and gives Seattle Verhaeghe and Bennett to keep Marchment and Gudas.

I really hope Zito and co. can convince him to waive to Seattle. He's still an attractive name around the NHL and he'd be a name for the Kraken.

 

[Ghoste]

Tallon was just more spiteful than dumb in regards to the Vegas expansion. You can’t tell me he was so blind to think Petro was more valuable than JAM/Smith. He just did it as a big FU to the previous regime. People bag on Viola for being too hands-on but it’s too bad he didn’t step up and shoot that one down. It set us back and ultimately led to Dale being let go so he screwed himself in the end.

-ghoste

 

[kerrabria]

Maybe its because i think good defenseman are harder to find but fwiw i'd rather protect forsling, gudas and nutivarra at this point over Horqnvist and Accari.

That's crazy. Nutivaara has had like two good games. He'd be our 6D next year behind Ekblad, Weegar, Forsling, Gudas and Kiersted.
Hornqvist is irreplaceable. Not just in the locker room, but his play style is extremely hard to come by. A lot harder to find than a bottom 4 D.

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

Moving Yandle with the 1st round pick is 100% worth it (assuming Seattle and Yandle agree to it) when taking into consideration where we are as a team at the moment.

Freeing up that cap space alone makes it worth it.

 

[I am not exposed]

1. It would be nice to keep Forsling, but possibly not the end of the world to lose him either. Especially if Montour can be extended.
3. There is no reason to protect Hornqvist. His leadership is awesome, but he won't get better on the ice and his cap hit is massive for two more years. I doubt Seattle would take him, but that would also mean we keep Forsling.
4. I keep expecting him not too, but it's unlikely Seattle would take him and it would be a nice gesture after the team has treated Yandle well this year.
5. I assume Stralman will be bought out. It would cut his cap hit by more than half next year and only add $1.5M the year after.

Completely agree with this. I like him, but his caphit for a 3rd liner PP specialist is pretty high.

 

[I am not exposed]

Just a reminder that every team is going to lose a player their fanbase sees as useful.

Spending assets to protect middling players is stupid, and we don't have to dig far back to see why

Spot on.

 

[RogerRoger]

Tallon was just more spiteful than dumb in regards to the Vegas expansion. You can’t tell me he was so blind to think Petro was more valuable than JAM/Smith. He just did it as a big FU to the previous regime. People bag on Viola for being too hands-on but it’s too bad he didn’t step up and shoot that one down. It set us back and ultimately led to Dale being let go so he screwed himself in the end.
-ghoste

Agree, but I think he convince Viola that Dadonov was coming over and would replace most of the production.

For Yandle, I wonder if a 3 way (double retention) trade could work. Send him to Detroit/NJ then to Boston with a 1.5 to 2M cap hit. Asking a team to retain 1.5M for 3 years might not be that expensive and at 1.5M, Yandle might be interesting for some teams.

 

[pb1300]

Like I said previously, I really think Yandle has some type of agreement in place with Zito. Let him play his streak out through the rest of the season, and he will waive for certain teams in the off-season. He’s been as bad, I’m not worse, than any Dman that has been on the taxi squad this season. There is no reason he should not have been benched already, aside from that streak.

And maybe the players did say something, but that was at the beginning of the season, and apparently they also spoke to Yandle, about his play. It worked for a week or two, but he’s been back to his terrible self since. Zito needs to work his magic there one more time.

 

[Gentle Man]

^hopefully

This is within reach for Yandle. He will take #2 before the season over. Maybe he talked to them to delay the move due to covid.

He can hit #1 if he plays all next season, so maybe that is the leverage.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Maybe its because i think good defenseman are harder to find but fwiw i'd rather protect forsling, gudas and nutivarra at this point over Horqnvist and Accari.

You can't protect all those d-men anyway. ?

 

[cowboy82nd]

You're right but in this case keeping Forsling over Yandle is a must. Yandle's time with this team is all but done and so is his usefulness as an everyday NHL player.

Wasting 1 out of 11 spots on him is bad management. I agree not risking anything to protect a guy like Acciari or Hornqvist but Forsling has been special for the better part of a few months and having to keep Yandle over him would suck ass. Yes I know we were burnt by this situation before but no chance Zito is as dumb as Tallon and gives Seattle Verhaeghe and Bennett to keep Marchment and Gudas.

I really hope Zito and co. can convince him to waive to Seattle. He's still an attractive name around the NHL and he'd be a name for the Kraken.

You have to protect Yandle because of his NTC, unless he agrees to waive. And I don’t see that happening.

 

[Prominence Problem]

Is it a bad idea to re-sign Judge before the expansion draft, so that Seattle can take him before hits the open market?

 

[FrolikFan67]

Is it a bad idea to re-sign Judge before the expansion draft, so that Seattle can take him before hits the open market?

Well it’s a gamble first off. I don’t think driedger’s camp would want to re-sign knowing bob is here for a while and Knight is close approaching. He’ll try and get a starting gig via free agency. I just don’t think there’s any deal to be made. But in a dream scenario yeah he’d re-sign and then Seattle would take him and we’d essentially lose nothing since we were going to lose him anyways.

 

[KW]

You have to protect Yandle because of his NTC, unless he agrees to waive. And I don’t see that happening.

Nobody saw Matheson getting traded with quality coming back either.

 

[Prominence Problem]

Well it’s a gamble first off. I don’t think driedger’s camp would want to re-sign knowing bob is here for a while and Knight is close approaching. He’ll try and get a starting gig via free agency. I just don’t think there’s any deal to be made. But in a dream scenario yeah he’d re-sign and then Seattle would take him and we’d essentially lose nothing since we were going to lose him anyways.

But Seattle and Florida would have an agreement beforehand. Florida just wouldn't do this in a shot in the dark situation.
Judge would negotiate with Seattle, only signing the deal with Florida for the legality purposes. Judge would be happy because he'd obviously get the deal he wants and be assured to be the number one in Seattle. Seattle would be happy because they get their number one. Florida would be happy because they potentially not have any risk losing anything of value, seeing that Judge's more than likely a goner at season's end.

 

[FrolikFan67]

But Seattle and Florida would have an agreement beforehand. Florida just wouldn't do this in a shot in the dark situation.
Judge would negotiate with Seattle, only signing the deal with Florida for the legality purposes. Judge would be happy because he'd obviously get the deal he wants and be assured to be the number one in Seattle. Seattle would be happy because they get their number one. Florida would be happy because they potentially not have any risk losing anything of value, seeing that Judge's more than likely a goner at season's end.

I could see it happening but we’d still have to give them something if it’s a handshake style agreement. Otherwise they could just wait till free agency, and I think someone said their window to talk to free agents opens up a couple days before everyone else? But they could just sign him and still claim someone from our team. How much we’d have to give them to do that I’m not sure but that’d be one of the most ideal situations.

 

[Prominence Problem]

I could see it happening but we’d still have to give them something if it’s a handshake style agreement. Otherwise they could just wait till free agency, and I think someone said their window to talk to free agents opens up a couple days before everyone else? But they could just sign him and still claim someone from our team. How much we’d have to give them to do that I’m not sure but that’d be one of the most ideal situations.

I don't know when everyone's free agency window opens, but I do know they don't want him going to free agency open market. He is going to garner a lot of interest from multiple teams. They don't want to get into a bidding war.

 

[austropanther]

But Seattle and Florida would have an agreement beforehand. Florida just wouldn't do this in a shot in the dark situation.
Judge would negotiate with Seattle, only signing the deal with Florida for the legality purposes. Judge would be happy because he'd obviously get the deal he wants and be assured to be the number one in Seattle. Seattle would be happy because they get their number one. Florida would be happy because they potentially not have any risk losing anything of value, seeing that Judge's more than likely a goner at season's end.

Judge can wait until FA and choose wherever he wants to go - he will be wanted by many teams, he has the leverage. This way he could not be "forced" to go to Seattle.

Plus if Seattle waits and signs him in FA, they can pick a good/decent player from us, so essentially they'd get two new players from us for nothing.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Judge can wait until FA and choose wherever he wants to go - he will be wanted by many teams, he has the leverage. This way he could not be "forced" to go to Seattle.

Plus if Seattle waits and signs him in FA, they can pick a good/decent player from us, so essentially they'd get two new players from us for nothing.

From Driedger's point of view it doesn't make any sense to negotiate with the Panthers before the FA and the Panthers won't the one dishing out the most dough at Driedger in the FA. So Driedger is good as gone.

 

[scholl]

That's crazy. Nutivaara has had like two good games. He'd be our 6D next year behind Ekblad, Weegar, Forsling, Gudas and Kiersted.
Hornqvist is irreplaceable. Not just in the locker room, but his play style is extremely hard to come by. A lot harder to find than a bottom 4 D.

If Florida only can protect Ekblad and Weegar when the situation with Yandle is what it is, I'd rather lose Nutivaara than Forsling or Gudas. Nuti is only 26 yo. but as you wrote, he hasn't had a terrific season but hopefully these few good games lift his market value for Seattle and they take him.