2021 Roster Thread XVI - Where thoughts are both sweet and sour

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  1. Prongo Beer

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    I think it might be from the horses mouth.
     
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    LOL. I guess I missed Beef’s paragraph on what he thinks Ghost does better than Jones. Apparently it’s “moving the puck up ice,” & “transition defense. He also mentions “matching up against bigger players,” which is obviously something Ghost isn’t “better at” than Jones, which is why he worded it merely to say Ghost has won battles with bigger players before.

    As far as moving the puck up ice & transition D, I disagree that Ghost is better than Jones at either. Jones is a better skater, Jones has been among the best zone entry defensemen for much of his career, & his skating & reach make him a better transition defender.
     
  3. Beef Invictus Meat Overlord

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    So did you misread, or purposefully misquote?


    Jones' skating is his biggest weakness on Ghost, his biggest weakness overall, as well as his entry defense :laugh:. This is like arguing in favor of Voracek's overpowering shot.

    You're just believing in a delusional version of Jones that doesn't exist. You might be in for a massive shock.
     
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    odd...being asked to shoot more....here is his shots/game:

    This year: 1.96
    last year: 1.91
    2 years ago: 2.69
    3 years ago: 2.78
    4 years ago: 3.08

    They are asking you to shoot more, because you are shooting less than before.
     
  5. Lindberg Bennyflyers16 get a life

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    It's interesting to hear that Berube was his favorite coach. I still maintain the idea that he wasn't that bad of a coach, he at least could see which players had higher on ice impact than others. He was saddled with an absolute terrible roster.
     
  6. Beef Invictus Meat Overlord

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    He was convinced Vinny was better than Couturier
     
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  7. Lindberg Bennyflyers16 get a life

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    Was he? I distinctly recall him benching VLC on numerous occasions. Upper management could of possibly influenced his roster decisions as well to justify VLC's contract/pay.
     
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    He credited him being funny and upbeat, but serious when it was time to be. That you always knew where you stood, and while demanding he was fair. Didn’t throw you under the bus to the media.

    Mentioned Hitch as being hard on the young guys but is appreciative now for what he did for him as a player.
     
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  9. Beef Invictus Meat Overlord

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    He was. I recall concerns over the usage of Couturier and Schenn being cited as why he was let go

    So it was quite the opposite, actually
     
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    NAK is a marginal 4th line forward who didn't impress in the AHL (his numbers, including phancy ones, are similar to Bailey), who didn't impress his first couple cameos, who didn't impress in TC, which is why he was passed over, guys like that are a dime a dozen. Then he got another shot, stepped up his game and had a good half season. This year he simply confirmed the judgment of GMs that he's a JAG.

    Now he might step it up next season, play hard on a more consistent basis, cut down on the stupid penalties, and improve his puck handling, pass and shooting. He might. Then again, he might not.

    Right now, I think 30 GMs would take Laczynski over NAK at RW based on his college performance and what he showed in his AHL and NHL cameos last season. Laczynski would not clear waivers.
     
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    Jones is overall a better skater than Ghost. He’s faster & he covers more ground. You’re clinging to dear life on that piece about his backward skating at his own blueline. Well, how many times have you seen Ghost get turnstiled just inside his own blueline or even between the redline & the d-zone? It happened pretty often, including multiple times by his inexplicably turning the wrong way. And Ghost sure doesn’t have Jones’ size & reach to help compensate.
     
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    I'll give him credit for self-knowledge. :laugh:
     
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    There's a hell of a lot more to skating than speed. Agility matters too, and skating in close. Ghost crushes Jones there.

    If you think Ghost is bad about getting turnstiled (Which, by the way, happened to our entire D because it's a systemic deficiency), wait until you see Jones getting left in the dust chasing plays on entries after we've paid a fortune for him.
     
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    That's why I like Jones after the ED on a one year deal, if we can trade Ghost (if he's not chosen in the ED) and 2nd tier assets.
    He'd be motivated playing for a new contract, and would buy a year for York and Zamula to mature.
     
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    Ghost is presently outplaying his contract. In the current cap environment I don't know that it's a good idea to trade that kind of player off for an expiring contract.
     
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    I do love quotes like this. Just how many Blue Jackets games are you watching? Qre we suddenly about to find out that you actually watch 40 games a year and are not simply basing your opinion off a single analytical article that came out recently.
     
  17. Beef Invictus Meat Overlord

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    I've been watching Jones since he was in Nashville. I've had doubts regarding his upside since then, too.

    He is guilty of doing many of the things our dmen are slammed for routinely, so it's very funny to see him held up as the solution to those problems.
     
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    Doesn’t Jake know that a shot is ALWAYS better than a pass?!?
     
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    I wouldn't go that far, he has good but not great metrics, his actual offensive production at ES is meh, and he's no longer an elite PP QB.
    So $4.5M is pretty good pay for a D-man who is a marginal top 4 defenseman. Kind of player who got $4M or so in FA last summer.
     
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    Trade Jake for having the audacity to say a idiot like Berube was his favorite coach :sarcasm:
     
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    Favorite coach =/= best coach

    Same as favorite teammate =/= best teammate
     
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    Tons of players have said this. They hated Hitch’s guts, but later came to appreciate how he helped them become more complete players. Mike Modano being a prime example.
     
  23. Beef Invictus Meat Overlord

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    He isn't a marginal top 4 dman though. He's a clear top 4 dman. More like a marginal top/middle pair dman. That kind of player is getting more than 4 million.

    Which of those 4 million dollar FAs outplayed Ghost?
     
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    And that’s what I mean by Ghost getting by on reputation. You’re acting like he’s the same Ghost skating-wise as he was his first couple years in the league. He’s not. He’s had knee, hip, & core injuries that have seriously impeded his skating. He’s slow, & his agility is not what it was. Hence his getting turnstiled/blown past on a number of occasions.
     
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    Personally, I’m shocked that a D thats buried on the third pair with shit partners doesn’t score as much as when he was on the top pair. Crazy…
     
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