Captain Dave Poulin
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Sometimes I think about where we would be without Hayes, and I realize that we wouldn't be where we are without Hayes.
Because there were so many good 2C's on great contracts available. If Fletcher paid what the Islanders paid for Pageau, I'm sure you would love it.Or go out and GM. It’s amazing the moves other teams seem to be able to pull off while we’re dumpster diving for the Brauns, Grants, and Thompsons of the world and paying a premium for them.
This is *exactly* what I’ve been talking about. People bitch incessantly if Fletcher doesn’t make moves, & they bitch when he does make significant moves (or when core roster changes are suggested).So punt on the season in AV's first year? That wasn't going to happen.
Hayes was a huge addition to the Flyers in his first season. Without him they’d have had a massive hole at 2C & no way they would’ve gone from a non-playoff team to the 6th best record in the NHL & their first playoff round win in 9 seasons.
Disparaging the Hayes acquisition is yet another example of fans complaining about the roster when the team is struggling, but then also complaining when they make significant changes to address glaring weaknesses. Posters want to eat their cake & have it, too. As I’ve said before many times, this isn’t playing the stock market. The goal is to win, & in order to do that you can’t be afraid to occasionally overpay a bit to improve the roster.
And there are plenty of ways this team can better use JVR’s $7M cap hit to address more glaring needs.
Or go out and GM. It’s amazing the moves other teams seem to be able to pull off while we’re dumpster diving for the Brauns, Grants, and Thompsons of the world and paying a premium for them.
Because there were so many good 2C's on great contracts available. If Fletcher paid what the Islanders paid for Pageau, I'm sure you would love it.
It's always funny when people just lie about what the forum in general thinks or asks for to make a counterpoint to an argument that doesn't exist. As if this place is monolithic and not a wide range of opinions.
Proposed title for 2021 Roster Thread XVI ... the Great Strawman Massacre.
I would.
LMAO, I thought you were better than that. So now the value of a player is directly linked to his point total. Hayes is a center which carries more value than a winger right off the bat. This team in particular has nothing behind Couturier and Hayes at center. Meanwhile at wing they have Giroux, JVR, Voracek, Konecny, Farabee, Lindblom, Laughton, Allison, etc etc. JVR is 32 and Voracek will turn 32 over the summer. Hayes is three years younger at 29. Voracek has also been a core piece of a team for who has won NOTHING for an entire decade so perhaps shaking up that core with some new players wouldn't be a bad thing."No one is going to absorb a 7 plus million dollar salary" for a 60-70 point guy for 2 or 3 years
while at the same time being ok with Hayes at 7 million for 5 more years and his sub 50 points.
Imagine if Chuck did something like acquire Trocheck for 2.5 seasons at the cost of 2nd+Ratcliffe+Raffl. That’s about what Carolina paid. Imagine if they gave Frost a real run. Imagine if instead of obsessing over overpaid centers, they tried to acquire a play driving wing to boost center play.
But alas: we live in a world where you either pay a pick to spend 7x7.1 on Hayes.....or you roll over and DIE.
Ekholm isn't good enough. That package could land a better player.
Cool, so now we are going with revisionist history to fill in the moment. Before you strawman, I am not saying you specifically. There were a few people here banging the drum hard for Duchene
Imagine if Chuck did something like acquire Trocheck for 2.5 seasons at the cost of 2nd+Ratcliffe+Raffl. That’s about what Carolina paid. Imagine if they gave Frost a real run. Imagine if instead of obsessing over overpaid centers, they tried to acquire a play driving wing to boost center play.
But alas: we live in a world where you either pay a pick to spend 7x7.1 on Hayes.....or you roll over and DIE. In the end, as that Bubble #1 Seed banner sits high in the rafters, they made the right choice.
Ekholm isn't good enough. That package could land a better player.
I love people pretending Hayes was the only option or and that the only option was to give him a bad contract.
There's always other options. And even if there somehow wasn't, it's better to do absolutely nothing than screw the team over and cause future problems, which is exactly what's happening right now thanks to that NMC and cap hit.
This is really simple shit.
Come on man, how dare you bring facts and context into this discussion.He was. And without him everyone would have been bitching because no way the team would have made anywhere near the improvement. He not only gave them a much needed 2C, but he was their best player in the bubble. Sucks he had to play hurt most of this season.
Miscellaneous NHL Talk XIX - 2018/19 PlayoffsWho? I cannot honestly recall anyone banging a drum hard for Duchene.