Not sure if you meet the floor of 60M, not sure if it's an issue...
Jonathan Marchessault - Nicklas Backstrom - Denis Gurianov
Anthony Beauvillier - Sam Bennett - Jeff Carter
Shane Pinto - Filip Chytil - Vitali Kravtsov
John Leonard - Victor Rask - Vinnie Hinostroza
Morgan Rielly - Adam Fox
Gustav Forsling - Nikolai Knyzhov
Marcus Pettersson - Anton Stralman
Juuse Saros
Jonathan Quick
2021 NHL Fantasy Draft Discussion
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ConnorMcMullet
#12 Colby Cave
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Filip Forsberg - Mathew Barzal - Viktor Arvidsson
Colin Blackwell - Sam Reinhart - David Perron
Kasperi Kapanen - Erik Haula - Jesse Puljujarvi
Tanner Jeannot - Derek Stepan - Josh Leivo
Travis Dermott - Aaron Ekblad
Dmitri Orlov - Nick Jensen
Jordan Oesterle - Trevor Van Riemsdyk
Thatcher Demko
Troy Grosenick
People will fixate on Dermott playing with Ekblad on the top pair, but you don't need two top-pairing defensemen on the same pair. Among the final four teams in the NHL, only NYI (and even they are debateable) has two top-pairing guys on the same pair with Pelech - Pulock. Hedman plays with Rutta, Petry/Weber play with Edmundson/Chiarot, and Theodore plays with McNabb.
Not saying it's the perfect pair, but the rest of the team is more than strong enough to make up for it.
BeLeafing
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ConnorMcMullet
#12 Colby Cave
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I agree, but if you made a poll on the mains right now asking whether Pelech is a top-pairing defenseman, I'd bet the majority would say no.
BeLeafing
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I think these games have taught us that maybe the mains aren't the best source of hockey knowledge
Llamamoto
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Voting is ready, I'll put it up as soon as we finalize one of the autos.
I'm not going to go around and calculate everyone's cap hit, I'm just going to trust that everyone is going to be honest in that regard.
I'm not going to go around and calculate everyone's cap hit, I'm just going to trust that everyone is going to be honest in that regard.
PaulBissonnette
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I actually like the opposite. If someone takes the time to participate in one of these, I would really like to know what they think are the strengths of their team. No voting is going to be objective--we all have players we overvalue/undervalue. Those subjective misjudgments are typically based on our favorite team or, at least, the teams we watch the most.
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| Team | G | D | F | Sum | Rank |
| BUF | 2.536938 | 7.870787 | 21.42566 | 31.83338 | 1 |
| BOS | 2.114562 | 2.934569 | 13.85545 | 18.90458 | 2 |
| EDM | 0.218033 | 4.951035 | 13.25111 | 18.42018 | 3 |
| WPG | 2.310368 | 1.431354 | 13.1018 | 16.84352 | 4 |
| CHI | 0.938919 | 4.161058 | 11.29307 | 16.39305 | 5 |
| FLA | 1.835844 | 3.799174 | 10.69634 | 16.33136 | 6 |
| CGY | 1.834218 | 3.161076 | 10.15821 | 15.1535 | 7 |
| ARI | 1.927427 | 2.203535 | 11.00918 | 15.14015 | 8 |
| CAR | 1.045566 | 2.061663 | 11.79303 | 14.90026 | 9 |
| OTT | 2.603187 | 1.394014 | 10.88109 | 14.87829 | 10 |
| DET | -0.77523 | 4.527069 | 11.01661 | 14.76844 | 11 |
| TB | 1.247346 | 1.377738 | 10.94386 | 13.56894 | 12 |
| DAL | -1.31575 | 3.627945 | 10.07453 | 12.38673 | 13 |
| NYI | 1.38448 | 2.460783 | 7.114369 | 10.95963 | 14 |
| TOR | 2.704974 | 0.165298 | 8.061661 | 10.93193 | 15 |
| NSH | -0.56636 | 2.440156 | 8.449069 | 10.32286 | 16 |
| LA | 0.053762 | 1.463155 | 8.012509 | 9.529426 | 17 |
| MIN | 0.344632 | 1.542004 | 7.567251 | 9.453887 | 18 |
| NJ | 1.516317 | 0.648749 | 6.096716 | 8.261782 | 19 |
| VAN | 1.011854 | 1.231476 | 5.638819 | 7.882149 | 20 |
| NYR | -1.90904 | 3.226505 | 6.024289 | 7.341758 | 21 |
| PIT | 2.348809 | -0.03545 | 3.260491 | 5.573853 | 22 |
| VGK | 0.89069 | -0.37369 | 4.330625 | 4.847621 | 23 |
| STL | 1.047932 | 0.617437 | 3.039977 | 4.705345 | 24 |
| WSH | 2.140631 | -0.90684 | 2.837821 | 4.071615 | 25 |
| ANA | -1.46445 | 1.436721 | 3.177286 | 3.149555 | 26 |
| COL | -1.25233 | 0.526188 | 3.139914 | 2.41377 | 27 |
| PHI | -1.13366 | 0.803873 | 1.667914 | 1.338128 | 28 |
| SJ | -4.28352 | 1.349141 | 2.544379 | -0.39 | 29 |
| MTL | 1.427113 | -3.27055 | 0.041239 | -1.8022 | 30 |
| CBJ | -2.28596 | -0.37134 | -1.32936 | -3.98667 | 31 |
just a simple sum of all player scores with all statistics derived from 2021. no adjusting for where a player was picked, how much ice time they would get, what role they have, etc. further none of the player scores themselves were adjusted for context. just a pure sum.
Llamamoto
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That actually looks kinda accurate.
Except why did you vote Winnipeg ahead of Edmonton if Edmonton was ahead of Panda rankings? smh
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Llamamoto
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Zaddy
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I think these numbers are pretty pointless. Your team is a massive runaway winner here yet to me it's one of the worst teams in the mock from a roster building perspective. It's the definition of a paper tiger. It has virtually no size throughout the lineup, a rookie goalie as a starter, a top pair of two guys who just now had their breakout seasons and a 2nd pair of two guys that are small and probably would struggle quite a bit in those minutes. I see a roster that would get bullied by most teams in the NHL.
Conversely I think a team like the Rangers are incredibly well built. It's deep and has players playing in their proper positions where they can excel, but your numbers suggest they're the 11th worst team.
I also don't know how the Panthers are ranked so highly. The entire lineup is super inexperienced. They're basically this mock's version of the 20/21 NHL Ottawa Senators team.
I can agree with CBJ, MTL, SJ and PHI being ranked low as they're my lowest ranked teams aside from BUF in this mock, but outside of that I don't think this model is really saying much.
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Zaddy
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5 Cups and 4 other players with Stanley Cup Finals appearances
None of your third liners have even 200 GP, along with Leonard on the 4th line who is a rookie. In your top-six you have Beauvillier, Bennett and Gurianov, none of which has ever scored 40 points in a season, along with Carter who has averaged 30 points the last 3 seasons. Three of your top4 defensemen has less than 200 GP.
I'm not the last one in the Panda Ranking, that's good enough for my first fantasy draft!
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I actually really like Anaheim and just think you should’ve gone Goalie over Fabbro and I’d have you inside the playoffs.
BoldNewLettuce
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The year is 2022 ....and a young Selke Nichushkin just ignited his first 10 minute line brawl.
I went with needs for my Mayfield/Fabbro pick. Should have sticked with BPA and put a LHD on RD, in the worst case scenario...
BoldNewLettuce
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You can't "adjust for context". Context is the actual live games rewriting the stats.
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Panda Bear
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literally all it shows is that some teams are comprised of players that performed better in '20-21 than others. there is absolutely no consideration of player type, line fit or anything of the sort. i have mentioned this numerous times.
i have bones with your use of the word "conversely" followed by your description of NYR as it implies that I have placed players outside their proper positions where they can excel.
my takeaway from this is that my trading rakell-j staal-p Myers for Rust-Gourde-Walker will be chalked up as a loss due to size
BoldNewLettuce
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I feel like my team is big enough that I should be allowed to eliminate one team from contention.
Zaddy
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I understand the limitations of it, but what's the point then if it has to be prefaced with all those factors not being included? The exercise is to build a good team no? Not a ragtag group of the players who had the best performance according to analytics.
Well I just don't see a solid team dynamic or much cohesiveness on your team. I like teams that have a nice mix of size, skill and versatility. I don't care as much about individual performance as how a group of individuals will perform together. Having said that I also think that having 2-3 big ticket players can make a group more than the sum of its parts and my voting reflected that. In that respect I only have Point as a big ticket player on your team. I also think a large part of your squad is fairly unproven, but I assume that boils down to their underlying numbers being great and me possibly underrating some of those players. Personally I regard track records as being very important. Anyone can have a great (or bad, for that matter) season under the right (wrong) circumstances.
Taking the Rangers as a counter-example, pretty much every player there is in the right spot and serves a purpose. Top line players on the top line, 2nd liners on the 2nd, 3rd liners on the 3rd, Carrier is a great 4th liner. Rangers also have a good top pair and 3rd pair, only iffy and possible out of position player would be Lauzon, but that is kind of remedied by the fact that the 3rd pair is quite strong. Then Rask in net who is solid too.
You have Bratt and Rust on the top line centered by Point. All of which are small, which in itself might not be a problem but Bratt and Rust are not Palat and Kucherov. Bratt has never scored more than 35 points and Rust, well, he has been chained to the hip of either Crosby or Malkin in the past two seasons at least. You also have Vatrano on the 2nd line who has never scored more than 39 points and IMO is a 3rd liner or below-average 2nd liner at best and is wildly inconsistent.
Chychrun and Weegar might be a great top pair going forward, but they don't have a long track record and you also don't have a solid 2nd pair to bail them out should they struggle. Weegar in particular is someone I'm really curious to see how he will perform next season. Chychrun I think is legit. Your goaltending situation is also a big question mark for me. Swayman was great in a small sample size and has some pedigree that could suggest he'll be good going forward but again he's unproven, and Allen is very average in my book but obviously fine as a backup, but that's assuming you have a more proven starter.
But I guess this game is pretty much solely based off how you did this season so in that respect your team might be much better (in relation to this game) than I give credit for.
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Our approaches to this game are very similar and you are pretty much describing the NYI--really think Barkov, Letang, and Giroux make the team among the best.
Substitute Aston-Reese for Carrier and again this is perfectly describes NYI. In fact, given how he performed in the playoffs as an obvious 2nd pairing D-man, I really like Poolman paired with Del Zotto on the 3rd pair.
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