2021 Memorial Cup

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  1. OMG67

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    It is a problem a lot but usually the committee blocks rooms off specifically for that event to ensure accommodations.
     
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    "Shaun Semple said that the Regina Pats, a team in which he is a co-owner, had to pay $3.65 million to host the Canadian major junior championship."

    That alone limits hosting to clubs with very, very deep pockets.
     
  3. Otto

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    Exactly why I would remove the financial guarantee
     
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    Planning starts around a year out for this event - Hotel rooms to be booked, conference space, catering, transportation, Volunteers, Media center/set up etc - this in itself is not very mobile so can't see any option but a pre-planned city and venue. The Host city will always be a part of this event - how they pick the teams and how many is another story.
     
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    That’s the reason Niagara has said they wouldn’t put in a bid to be a future host.
     
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  6. Otto

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    If the community government works with the team I think it can be done. The Stanley Cup & World Series are organized with little notice. This is a much smaller scale than those
     
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    Not so sure they would be harder. They don't have the outside events that the Memorial Cup does. They are nothing more than Big games in a certain city. The Memorial cup is 10 days with daily events that are totally outside of the games themselves. If you just played hockey games at the Memorial Cup then yes but it is the other stuff that takes planning. The Stanley cup does not find rooms for 2000 people. The Media and teams are on their own with that one and only one team has to find rooms. Memorial Cup has 3 teams to deal with along with their families - Stanley Cup teams do not have to find rooms for 2 or 3 hundred family members. These families are on their own if they want tickets or rooms. There is no way it can be done in 2 or 3 weeks once finalist have been determined.

    Edit - look what it takes to pull off a Super Bowl - the location is determined a year ahead even though the host city may not have a team in the game- it is a event the same as the Memorial Cup but on a much larger scale. Don't just look at this as a bunch of Hockey games, it is much more than that.
     
  8. Otto

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    Honestly.. it's not much more than that. Awards show.... golf tournament....Cup tour....
     
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    In 1987 the Oshawa Generals hosted the Memorial Cup after a Super Series with North Bay in round one.

    The CHL Awards were held on a boarded up ice surface at the old Civic Auditorium and it was catered by Swiss Chalet.

    Other than the awards banquet there were no other activities that I am aware of.

    I know this because I served the Generals at the Head table for that awards banquet. I had tickets for the event after I camped out overnight to get my tickets the night before they went on sale.

    If the CHL had to facilitate a Super Series with a Host City being awarded 6 weeks prior to the event, this is the sort of rag tag event it would be. I speak from experience.

    I LOVE the concept of a Super Series BUT we no longer have bys in round one so we’d have to change our playoff format.

    The main reason why I have grown to dislike the Memorial Cup is because it is more of a corporate event as opposed to a hockey tournament to name the National Champion. I’d like to find a way to lessen the “festival” and make it more about hockey but I think those days are over. Therefore, naming a team a year in advance is necessary. They need to plan and coordinate an event in conjunction with the CHL and that takes a considerable amount of time and effort that does require a full year.

    Because this is more of a spectacle than a hockey tournament, I think the CHL is not motivated in any way to change the format.
     
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    I know .. that's why I prefaced my post with "I know the CHL would never go for it"
     
  11. ohloutsider

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    It could be only a hockey tournament similar to the Silverstick or the Battle of the Borders but it is more than you give it credit for. Windsor had events every day including fan centers that took up 3 arenas. You could do a hockey tournament style and drop the events but not seeing the league buying into that. Yes the format could change but as it stands now the Memorial Cup event week would be very tough if not impossible to move on short notice. The only way would be as suggested down sizing it.
     
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    I don't see 6 months as short notice
     
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    For some portions yes - booking 1200 hotel rooms might be an issue - anyway as you say the league will not likely change it knowing the payback would be reduced.
     
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    Erie in 2021 should be the next chance they would have the team for it. I don’t see it happening or returning to America for various reasons

    But if any team can support it in America, it’s erie.
    Don’t see there being an issue with the fans going to all the Erie games. They would turn out. Would likely be sell outs. As for the other teams, not sure how interested erie folks would be to see them but with bigger US cities very near by, and being only 1.5 hours from the border .. fans could easily travel to Erie.

    Like EON noted, the city could accommodate. Nice arena with a good capacity for this type of event (6800) while also having many nicer hotels in the area. Plenty of shopping and big restaurant/bar scene downtown. if we are talking end of May we are also talking about an amusement park and out door water park plus an indoor water park. Plenty to do besides hockey. But sadly it won’t happen..
     
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    Sarnia SHOULD have the team, they are building for 2021. Sarnia has all the accommodations, restaurants, border city etc. They've hosted battle of the border and massive Silverstick tournaments. What they don't have is the venue. A 4600 capacity rink is just not enough. CHL is only looking at what city will bring in the most money. A 4600 seat arena cannot compete with a venue like London/Kitch/Hamilton.
     
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    Jumping on the the "Why Erie should be able to host" bandwagon.

    First off, yes we are an American team so sponsorships may be difficult with Canadian businesses. We do have a lot of smaller businesses in Erie that love and support the Otters and wouldn't mind helping out or drawing in a crowd.

    We also have large parking garages all around the arena so parking isn't an issue. The arena would sell out if given the chance to hold the Memorial Cup and Erie will be ready then. Erie fans will show up because we are a hockey town. Everyone knows who the Otters are.

    Secondly, the arena is located downtown where there are a ton of local eateries in walking distance. Especially in May, you can't beat that. If you're looking for something for kids to do during the day, we have a minor league (Detroit affiliate) baseball team that plays afternoon games next to the arena for maximum low cost entertainment.

    Erie also has 2, soon to be 3 new hotels on the water with one directly across the street. What's better than staying on the lake? Short drive to the arena, approximately 10-15 min drive. Presque Isle will also be a low-no cost outing for those wanting to see what Erie is known for. There used to be boats that would shuttle the community from the dock to PI, not sure if they still have it though.

    More expensive (but reasonable compared to other amusement parks) is Waldameer a family owned amusement/water park that is always open at the end of May. Very thrilling and lots to do and see. We also have Splash Lagoon which isn't far from the arena that is indoor with lots of slides, twists, turns.

    The zoo at Erie has been expanding in recent years and is free on Sunday afternoons for those seeking something to do with kids.

    If you're adventurous, enjoy a climb (or elevator ride) up the Bicentennial Tower on the water to look out at Presque Isle.

    We are an hour and a half from the border so traveling is easy to do!

    Bottom line, Erie has so much history and things to offer that they are overshadowed simply because we are American. We CAN host the Memorial Cup and given the opportunity, would turn this city around.
     
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    When does the race track open in Erie plus a casino it is a nice city .
     
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    Under my proposal the deadline for application is late November... doesn't mean the host team can't secure hotel rooms in late May as part of their proposal.

    As it stands now the next years host is announced in April/May of the previous year... really, not that big a deal.
     
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    Kelowna Rockets announced as 2020 host on October 3, 2018. 1.5 years lead time.
     
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    2017 was announced May 2nd 2016
    2018 was announced February 18th 2017
    2019 was announced April 5th 2018
     
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    Couldn't agree more about Erie. I might add that Jim Waters (a Canadian with very deep pockets) would do whatever it takes to get the Memorial Cup. I have a slight bias here, but the EIA is more than a good OHL arena. I have been to many, many venues in the OHL, the AHL and a few in the NHL. When you add up value, comfort of the seats, food and drink prices, size, sight lines, and concourse room, you have a winner. Plus, all of our Canadian friends can stock up on tax free shopping, which would make up any value difference. Erie has a booming tourist business from Canada and Buffalo because of Presque Isle State park, Splash lagoon, highway accessibility, and all of the motels and restaurants.
     
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    Erie more than deserves a chance to host. It's one of the better arenas in the league plsu Erie itself is a hidden gem.
     
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    Good point on the horse racing. Didn’t even think of racing and casino as other popular things to do. horse racing always begins in mid May so would be open season during the Mem cup. Also casino is 365, 24/7
    Racing is held Sunday-Thursday and is obviously free to attend for all ages (betting a fun bonus)

    Between casino, horse races, zoo, water parks (indoor and outdoor), amusement park, presque isle, shopping mall, children’s museum and much more - there is soo much to do and ALL within a 15-20 minute or so ride from the arena. Easy to make a long weekend trip out of it

    No doubt that if the CHL was willing, Erie would be the perfect fit for the tournament
     
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    The only thing I think they'd have to change in Erie is getting the downtown businesses to open up later on the weekends. When my buddy and I went a couple of seasons ago, it was a Sunday late afternoon game and most places had shut down by 8ish. I wound up going to the gas station for food LOL
     
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    It is like that on Sunday nights. Mostly due to the fact that there is no traffic.. especially in winter months.
    Friday/Saturday is obviously open later. But I’m sure some places would adjust - particularly the places that Erie has partnerships with like Plymouth Tavern and Arena Bar. I know when we have other big events (roar on the shore, Celebrate Erie, etc) many places adjust their hours
     

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