Prospect Info: 2021 Draft - Part 2

[BondraTime]

Good point re Mann’s stomping ground.

To be clear I agree it’s not always drafted guys but we seem to always have some guys with local ties in the organisation. I also said guys with « local ties » not necessarily guys from here.

Using the local ties criteria and broadening it to acquisitions throughout the organisation over the last few years, you can add guys like Gudbranson, Abramov, Peca, Rippon, Andree, Labrie, Baptiste, Verronneau, Sexton, Blunden, Akeson, O’Dell, Fraser. I’m certainly not saying it’s a huge factor or even a significant factor in who they will draft but they clearly keep tabs on guys with local ties and if it’s close it might factor in.

They will certainly shore up our AHL team with local talent when they need to fill out an AHL roster, local guys definitely have favour there, but it hasn’t had any impact on their drafting over the past 10 years.

They’ve only drafted out of the OHL 2 times since 2014, when Mann began to move up the ladder.

Sens have used the OHL the least by a large amount in that time frame.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He’s quite a pest but I think he’s a guy that steps over the line way too much. He’s like Tom Wilson greasy. Suspended four times this season and one was for spitting.

We drafted greig.

 

[dmarc]

Any other type of beans we can draft?

 

[Mingus Dew]

Any other type of beans we can draft?

Greg Garbanzo
Nick Navy
Freddie Fava

 

[cudi]

Any other type of beans we can draft?

Not in the draft, but could always trade for Jake Bean.

 

[BondraTime]

We drafted greig.

L'Heureux was suspended 4 times in 33 games this season, including for spitting at a player and another for unsportsmanlike conduct after the play.

Greig's been suspended 3 times in 144 games, all for in game hits

I like L'Heureux, but he shouldn't be looked at for our 1st

 

[Masked]

The only guys since 2010 that are from within an hour of Ottawa are Pageau and Ceci. 2 guys in 11 drafts.

You left out Kelly Summers and Francois Brassard. But your point still stands.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

L'Heureux was suspended 4 times in 33 games this season, including for spitting at a player and another for unsportsmanlike conduct after the play.

Greig's been suspended 3 times in 144 games, all for in game hits

I like L'Heureux, but he shouldn't be looked at for our 1st

I’ve never seen a clip of the guy. But I’m down of he plays on the edge. Does he make it to the second

 

[BondraTime]

I’ve never seen a clip of the guy. But I’m down of he plays on the edge. Does he make it to the second

He doesn't know where the edge is yet, doubt he makes it to the 2nd

 

[Hale The Villain]

Shame we won that last game. Bumped us from 8th spot to probably picking 10th, assuming that LA doesn't win against the Avs tonight, Calgary gets at least 2 points in their last 4 games, and Vancouver doesn't get 3 wins in their last 5 games.

Imagine we'll be looking at guys like Lucius, McTavish and Sillinger in that range, but after this crazy year with so little scouting taking place I imagine that it's entirely possible one or more of the top 8 guys (Power, Edvinsson, Guenther, Hughes, Beniers, Clarke, Johnson, Eklund) falls to the end of the top 10.

 

[NyQuil]

Shame we won that last game. Bumped us from 8th spot to probably picking 10th, assuming that LA doesn't win against the Avs tonight, Calgary gets at least 2 points in their last 4 games, and Vancouver doesn't get 3 wins in their last 5 games.

Imagine we'll be looking at guys like Lucius, McTavish and Sillinger in that range, but after this crazy year with so little scouting taking place I imagine that it's entirely possible one or more of the top 8 guys (Power, Edvinsson, Guenther, Hughes, Beniers, Clarke, Johnson, Eklund) falls to the end of the top 10.

Did you enjoy watching Norris’ look of delight as he potted the OT winner against the provincial rival Maple Leafs in the final game of the year?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Did you enjoy watching Norris’ look of delight as he potted the OT winner against the provincial rival Maple Leafs in the final game of the year?

Look at the big picture.

Norris' goal and look of delight will have next to no bearing on our success in future seasons.

Dropping 2 spots in the top 10 and potentially missing out a guy in our top 8 definitely could.

I mean looking at it another way, trading up a couple spots in the top 10 would typically cost at least a 2nd round pick, possibly more. The value of an extra OT win after already missing the playoffs obviously isn't worth losing a 2nd round pick.

 

[NyQuil]

Look at the big picture.

Norris' goal and look of delight will have next to no bearing on our success in future seasons.

Dropping 2 spots in the top 10 and potentially missing out a guy in our top 8 definitely could.

I mean looking at it another way, trading up a couple spots in the top 10 would typically cost at least a 2nd round pick, possibly more. The value of an extra OT win after already missing the playoffs obviously isn't worth losing a 2nd round pick.

We should have shelved all of our good players the moment we were eliminated for the playoffs, right?

Spreadsheets are what hockey is all about.

I guess my big picture involves one of our top forwards gaining the kind of confidence needed to play successfully in the top six for years to come.

 

[swiftwin]

Look at the big picture.

Norris' goal and look of delight will have next to no bearing on our success in future seasons.

Dropping 2 spots in the top 10 and potentially missing out a guy in our top 8 definitely could.

I mean looking at it another way, trading up a couple spots in the top 10 would typically cost at least a 2nd round pick, possibly more. The value of an extra OT win after already missing the playoffs obviously isn't worth losing a 2nd round pick.

I just.... I can't even....

This site needs a dislike button for posts like this.

 

[Hale The Villain]

We should have shelved all of our good players the moment we were eliminated for the playoffs.

Spreadsheets are what hockey is all about.

I guess my big picture involves one of our top forwards gaining the kind of confidence needed to play successfully in the top six for years to come.

Nice strawman fella.

I think you may be vastly overrating the confidence Norris will gain from scoring one goal.

Has nothing to do with spreadsheets it's just common sense.

 

[NyQuil]

Nice strawman fella.

I think you may be vastly overrating the confidence Norris will gain from scoring one goal.

Has nothing to do with spreadsheets it's just common sense.

You can't try and min-max the real world. It doesn't work.

In your ideal scenario, what, Norris puts it in his own net, thereby heroically ensuring that Ottawa potentially drafts slightly higher?

I don't want any player or manager near this team who conveys the idea that it's ok not to play to win.
Not when it comes to our current core of guys that we are trying to turn into contenders.

In previous years? With those guys? Sure, because they weren't factoring into the future.

If you want a big picture reason, creating a positive and engaging playing environment is going to be critical to ensuring that we can retain players at hopefully affordable prices.

 

[Masked]

I just.... I can't even....

This site needs a dislike button for posts like this.

Especially in a draft like the one coming up when it's a complete crapshoot.

 

[H2O]

Especially in a draft like the one coming up when it's a complete crapshoot.

And even in a strong draft like last year, oh no we would have Perfetti instead of Quinn!

 

[BondraTime]

Difference between 8th and 10th in negligible. I’d be willing to bet lots and lots of money the Sens top 8 has 2+ guys in it that nobody is talking about.

Difference between 1-10 is negligible, if there was ever a year to win out, it’s this one.

 

[Hale The Villain]

You can't try and min-max the real world. It doesn't work.

In your ideal world, what, Norris puts it in his own net, thereby heroically ensuring that Ottawa potentially drafts slightly higher?

Another strawman. Shocking.

In my ideal world we would have dominated the Leafs but got unlucky and lost in regulation, securing the higher draft pick of greater value and putting the organization in a better position to win games in future seasons.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[NyQuil]

In my ideal world we would have dominated the Leafs but got unlucky and lost in regulation, securing the higher draft pick of greater value and putting the organization in a better position to win games in future seasons.

It's hard to set out to dominate an opponent but fail to score. I guess they just didn't execute the game plan correctly.

This isn't rocket science.

Clearly.

 

[cudi]

These guys are humans lol. Losing f***ing sucks and we've done A LOT of it the last few seasons.

Wouldn't you rather head into an off season pumped up and feeling good after a win?? They're not robots. Can't just program them to try and get the best pick because maybe in like 2-5 years you have an impact player who can help.

f*** the draft position. Learn to win games.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don't want any player or manager near this team who conveys the idea that it's ok not to play to win.
Not when it comes to our current core of guys that we are trying to turn into contenders.

In previous years? With those guys? Sure, because they weren't factoring into the future.

If you want a big picture reason, creating a positive and engaging playing environment is going to be critical to ensuring that we can retain players at hopefully affordable prices.

At no point did I say I wanted DJ Smith or Dorion to try to tell the players to lose or to actually try to tank games.

Again I don't know who you're arguing with here.

Losing one game versus winning one game is completely negligible in regards to it's affect on the playing environment.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

In my ideal world, we outplay everyone but always finish dead last. We are also able to sign all the good free agents and trade them within the first year of their contracts just so we can collect more assets. Of course, future free agents won't view this as a negative and they'll sign team friendly contracts just cuz.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

These guys are humans lol. Losing f***ing sucks and we've done A LOT of it the last few seasons.

Wouldn't you rather head into an off season pumped up and feeling good after a win?? They're not robots. Can't just program them to try and get the best pick because maybe in like 2-5 years you have an impact player who can help.

f*** the draft position. Learn to win games.

Embarrassing