2020 Offseason Thread Part VIII

[VladDrag]

Raffl was injured. High ankle sprain he played through. That was the reason he missed some games. Kept flaring up.

Ahh yes. That’s right - thanks.

 

[wasup]

With the Reading Royals canceling the season that is going to make a really crowded LV roster . I had heard that they were thinking of expanding NHL rosters this year cause of the condensed season which will absorb a few but that will only help a bit . I wonder if they leave a few prospects playing over in Europe there just to help with the numbers .

This year is so screwed up !

 

[dragonoffrost]

Can't fault him for the though process, and that looks like a decent lineup. Not the bank heist that Vegas was, but promising.

Other options include Robert Hagg (solid physical bottom-pair defender)
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[flyersnorth]

With the Reading Royals canceling the season that is going to make a really crowded LV roster . I had heard that they were thinking of expanding NHL rosters this year cause of the condensed season which will absorb a few but that will only help a bit . I wonder if they leave a few prospects playing over in Europe there just to help with the numbers .

This year is so screwed up !

Yeah, very screwed up.

There's a very high degree of certainty that by next October, a vaccine will have been available, distributed, and probably mostly administered in the general population.

So why decide on purpose to actually play a shortened season now at a loss of over $1 billion dollars (isn't the projected loss $1.7B or something?)?

It makes way more sense - from a public relations, from a player's association / escrow standpoint, from a safety standpoint, from an economic standpoint - to not force a 48 game season at a tremendous loss and just wait until the fall.

Capitalists gonna capital.

 

[CootsThereItIs]

Yeah, very screwed up.

There's a very high degree of certainty that by next October, a vaccine will have been available, distributed, and probably mostly administered in the general population.

So why decide on purpose to actually play a shortened season now at a loss of over $1 billion dollars (isn't the projected loss $1.7B or something?)?

It makes way more sense - from a public relations, from a player's association / escrow standpoint, from a safety standpoint, from an economic standpoint - to not force a 48 game season at a tremendous loss and just wait until the fall.

Capitalists gonna capital.

Those darn Capitalists who want the economy to thrive and make sure people can provide for their families! Darn them, darn them.

 

[deadhead]

I hate the term "Capitalism," it's basically a Marxist term which is both incorrect and ahistorical - markets, finance, trade, "capital" have existed for thousands of years in practically every organized society and "capitalism" didn't evolve out of feudalism.

There has never been a society without government regulation of business, rent seeking, taxation, coercion, etc.
The Marxist, Libertarian and Christian utopias are all fantasies.

 

[BernieParent]

Other options include Robert Hagg (solid physical bottom-pair defender)
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He's just being polite.

 

[dragonoffrost]

He's just being polite.

Polite or not listing him before Ghost and with that notation is a joke.

If I'm looking at the Expansion draft and who I'd take from Philly it's JvR (only with one hell of a sweetener) or Ghost. All else be damned including NAK.

 

[flyersnorth]

Those darn Capitalists who want the economy to thrive and make sure people can provide for their families! Darn them, darn them.

How is the economy in this instance going to thrive with no fans in the building, and limited social activity, and a self-declared $1.7B projected loss to run an NHL season? Does it make financial sense for the league? For the teams? I have read in more than one place that there are a number of teams that would quietly prefer not to have a season because they can't shoulder the financial loss.

 

[flyersnorth]

I hate the term "Capitalism," it's basically a Marxist term which is both incorrect and ahistorical - markets, finance, trade, "capital" have existed for thousands of years in practically every organized society and "capitalism" didn't evolve out of feudalism.

There has never been a society without government regulation of business, rent seeking, taxation, coercion, etc.
The Marxist, Libertarian and Christian utopias are all fantasies.

I'd certainly love to debate this with you - but I don't think we can on this forum.

All I'll add is that I used capitalism and capitalist as reductionist terms in the colloquial sense.

 

[Beef Invictus]

How is the economy in this instance going to thrive with no fans in the building, and limited social activity, and a self-declared $1.7B projected loss to run an NHL season? Does it make financial sense for the league? For the teams? I have read in more than one place that there are a number of teams that would quietly prefer not to have a season because they can't shoulder the financial loss.

The single year loss might be offset by a better TV deal, which is coming soon. And they probably fear losing a ton of negotiating leverage with another lost season. The lockouts have harmed them enough as-is

 

[wasup]

How is the economy in this instance going to thrive with no fans in the building, and limited social activity, and a self-declared $1.7B projected loss to run an NHL season? Does it make financial sense for the league? For the teams? I have read in more than one place that there are a number of teams that would quietly prefer not to have a season because they can't shoulder the financial loss.

It's not going to do well but it will help me keep my sanity . It's all about me me me you Komy bas with a turd . lol Football runs out in January and i ain't watching frickin Basketball so i need something .

 

[Ginger Papa]

Hi folks. Not sure if this is the correct Thread for this but figured it would do.

For those not familiar, "The Hockey Guy' is a pretty down to earth fan of the game who isn't known for hot takes or being an insider of any description. I find him quite balanced in his approach to all teams.

His strength lies in the history of hockey and the feel of having a conversation with a fairly knowledgeable fellow fan. Thought I'd Post this here for anyone looking for content during the Off-Season:

 

[BiggE]

I hate the term "Capitalism," it's basically a Marxist term which is both incorrect and ahistorical - markets, finance, trade, "capital" have existed for thousands of years in practically every organized society and "capitalism" didn't evolve out of feudalism.

There has never been a society without government regulation of business, rent seeking, taxation, coercion, etc.
The Marxist, Libertarian and Christian utopias are all fantasies.

 

[Larry44]

I hate the term "Capitalism," it's basically a Marxist term which is both incorrect and ahistorical - markets, finance, trade, "capital" have existed for thousands of years in practically every organized society and "capitalism" didn't evolve out of feudalism.

There has never been a society without government regulation of business, rent seeking, taxation, coercion, etc.
The Marxist, Libertarian and Christian utopias are all fantasies.

Sorry, but the use of the terms 'capital' and 'capitalist' predates Marx by a couple centuries, it's not a Marxist construct.

Capitalism - Wikipedia

Marx's analysis in Das Kapital was the tradition of a decades long discussion of political economy, from Rousseau, Adam Smith, JS Mill, Ricardo, etc. discussing feudalism's replacement with mercantilism, liberalism, utilitarianism, laissez-faire capitalism, socialism, anarchism, etc. that was taking place all over Europe.

Political economy - Wikipedia

 

[deadhead]

Sorry, but the use of the terms 'capital' and 'capitalist' predates Marx by a couple centuries, it's not a Marxist construct.

Capitalism - Wikipedia

Marx's analysis in Das Kapital was the tradition of a decades long discussion of political economy, from Rousseau, Adam Smith, JS Mill, Ricardo, etc. discussing feudalism's replacement with mercantilism, liberalism, utilitarianism, laissez-faire capitalism, socialism, anarchism, etc. that was taking place all over Europe.

Political economy - Wikipedia

Yes, and it was all wrong, those thinkers relied on the scraps of classical literature with no access to carbon dating, genetics and everything else modern anthropologists and archeologists have at their disposal. They had no clue how ancient societies really functioned - the explosion in knowledge since 1970 is a magnitude greater than anything before that time.

It's not different than seeing Freud as anything more than a footnote in intellectual history. Modern knowledge is so far ahead of 18th and 19th century thinkers that we should just treat them as items in a history of thought survey, not as sources for real analysis.

 

[Petr Svoboda Mullet]

How is the economy in this instance going to thrive with no fans in the building, and limited social activity, and a self-declared $1.7B projected loss to run an NHL season? Does it make financial sense for the league? For the teams? I have read in more than one place that there are a number of teams that would quietly prefer not to have a season because they can't shoulder the financial loss.

The 1.7b loss probably does not out weight the loss of fan and advertising interest in the NHL long term.

 

[flyersnorth]

Yes, and it was all wrong, those thinkers relied on the scraps of classical literature with no access to carbon dating, genetics and everything else modern anthropologists and archeologists have at their disposal. They had no clue how ancient societies really functioned - the explosion in knowledge since 1970 is a magnitude greater than anything before that time.

It's not different than seeing Freud as anything more than a footnote in intellectual history. Modern knowledge is so far ahead of 18th and 19th century thinkers that we should just treat them as items in a history of thought survey, not as sources for real analysis.

Are you summarily dismissing pre-20th century thought?

The average American has more knowledge than the top thinkers of 200 years ago.

But knowledge does not equal wisdom.

 

[deadhead]

Are you summarily dismissing pre-20th century thought?

The average American has more knowledge than the top thinkers of 200 years ago.

But knowledge does not equal wisdom.

Pretty much, because most of it was based on faulty assumptions concerning human nature.

I went through History of Western Civ 40 years ago, but so much of what ancient writers thought was wrong, from science to history to psychology and physiology.

The average American is an idiot, but as I used to point out to Europeans who'd patronize Americans, those Americans are descended from ignorant European peasants - as we're now seeing in much of Europe, the educated elite is a thin veneer.

And as you point out, education does not provide wisdom, only education combined with life's lessons, fully learned and noted, can provide wisdom and perspective. Without education, you are limited to your local circumstances, without experience you lack the context to judge and interpret your education.

 

[Starat327]

This is peak off-season threading right here.

 

[flyersnorth]

Pretty much, because most of it was based on faulty assumptions concerning human nature.

I went through History of Western Civ 40 years ago, but so much of what ancient writers thought was wrong, from science to history to psychology and physiology.

The average American is an idiot, but as I used to point out to Europeans who'd patronize Americans, those Americans are descended from ignorant European peasants - as we're now seeing in much of Europe, the educated elite is a thin veneer.

And as you point out, education does not provide wisdom, only education combined with life's lessons, fully learned and noted, can provide wisdom and perspective. Without education, you are limited to your local circumstances, without experience you lack the context to judge and interpret your education.

I do find value in the wisdom of the ancients. Not all. But definitely most have something of value to offer.

I'm likely biased because I studied this stuff, I'm passionate about this stuff, and I believe there are always things to learn from thinkers past and present.

Even 2500 years ago, Sun Tzu laid out a strategy for defeating an enemy more powerful than yourself that applies to today's world. That's exactly what Russia and China are doing to the US: turn your enemy's internal tensions against itself.

If the US collapses, it won't be because of nukes or military invasion. It will be because it was unable to resolve its internal tensions, stoked and exploited by outside parties.

 

[Starat327]

Ok, I lied. NOW it's peak off-season.

 

[flyersnorth]

The single year loss might be offset by a better TV deal, which is coming soon. And they probably fear losing a ton of negotiating leverage with another lost season. The lockouts have harmed them enough as-is

Yeah, maybe. I just hope they figure something out that makes sense. It's almost too quiet....

 

[Larry44]

Yes, and it was all wrong, those thinkers relied on the scraps of classical literature with no access to carbon dating, genetics and everything else modern anthropologists and archeologists have at their disposal. They had no clue how ancient societies really functioned - the explosion in knowledge since 1970 is a magnitude greater than anything before that time.

It's not different than seeing Freud as anything more than a footnote in intellectual history. Modern knowledge is so far ahead of 18th and 19th century thinkers that we should just treat them as items in a history of thought survey, not as sources for real analysis.

This is the epitome of American anti-intellectualism. These giants of political and economic thought are not made irrelevant by frigging carbon dating. Take a history class, my friend.

All the same debates they had in the 19th century are with us today: limits on individual freedom vs. compromising for the social good, i.e. wear a mask morons; taxation for social justice vs reward only greed, i.e. taxes pay for free vaccines.

Human nature hasn't changed in 200 years - some people are just as stupid and racist, perhaps even moreso because they should know better, i.e. genetically we're all the same, it's just the melanin from where our ancestors lived.

The liberal capitalist revolution was founded on individual equality, democracy and human progress through education and improvement of the population. It's still a relevant debate.

 

[Nizzle]

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