Prospect Info: 2020 NHL draft.

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

2) Can anybody comment on O'Rourke? He seems like the only defender that fell from mid-first to early second, instead of the other way around.

I like him for the wings second round pick. Hes a really good skater and has a good shot. His numbers arent crazy this year but theres also really only one D lighting it up for them. Hes one of those leadership types with character that the wings have taken in the past. I think the wings have a few dmen like him in McIsaac and Tuomisto and even Seider is kind of similar I think to those guys.

That being said if some of these guys pan out, the wings D is going to be mobile, able to move the puck and very tough to play against in a playoff series. I think he could have a similar development to McIsaac. Fall a bit in the draft but have the tools to show he could've been picked earlier after the draft.

I would consider him kinda safe and maybe not super high end potential but if he becomes a top 4 D he fit the group really well. And just because he isnt flashy doesnt mean he doesnt become a high end guy either

Just to add to what newfy had to say.

I think he has similar upside to that of Jared McIsaac. O'Rourke will never be the type that can QB your PP, but he has enough offense that he won't be super reliant on just his defensive game at the next level. In terms of his play this year he has been the Soo's best defenceman at ES this year by GF% as well as leading the time in estimated TOI at ES.

I've mentioned before that I think he is getting a bit unlucky in terms of point production thus far this season. The Soo have scored 58 goals at ES while O'Rourke is on the ice and he has just a point on 16 of those, that's an IPP of just 27.6%. Last season he had an IPP of 36.3% and the average OHL defenceman has an IPP 29.4%. If he had his IPP from last season this year he would have an extra 5 points at ES and he would have a total of 31 points in 36 games, those are top 15 and potentially top 10 type numbers. There is more to consider that I don't have the data for. For example, we don't know if his team is getting "lucky" shooting % wise while he is on the at ES and his overall GF numbers are inflated because of it. We also really don't know anything about his PP production, though it seems like he plays on the #2 unit when you look at the point distribution.

Overall, I think he's probably fairly ranked at 33, though I think you can make the case that he could be ranked in 10-20 range as well. When you consider how many minutes he is estimated to play, the success the team has while he is on the ice, and chalk up production concerns to some unlucky bounces he becomes a very legitimate prospect. In my next updated rankings he'll likely be in the 2nd tier of defenceman in this years draft, this year has a 1st tier which is just Drysdale, which will likely place him in the 10-20 range. As always, I don't watch any of these players and get all of my data from pick224.

 

[Dotter]

Don't know if you saw this in the prospect thread, but with the translation, it's an extremely interesting read.

In-depth comparison Stützle vs Rossi

I have seen mixed bag reviews on Rossi's skating, everywhere from being average to very good. The article that is the focal point of that thread leans on the average side. Outside of the 4 inches and 10 pounds that Lafreniere has on Rossi, the way people talk about Marco is similar to how people talk about Alexis. Skating is anywhere from average to good, strong on the puck, super high IQ, good hands, good puck skills.

I think we are at the point now where everyone is fine with smaller players, but if you are going to be small, you have to be an elite skater. I don't know if that's true, but it is very hard to peg a comparable player for Rossi because most smaller players are in fact elite skaters. I haven't followed prospects all that closely over the years, so I don't know how certain players were regarded as skaters coming into the draft, but if anyone can speak to how Marchand, Atkinson, DeBrincat, or Marchessault. I know Point was a very average skater whose skating improvements have been a massive win for his career.

I don't know much about Rossi, but it looks like he's around Zetterberg's size at the same age. Zetterberg's skating wasn't good. I'll take a prime Zetterberg over a prime Crosby. Zetterberg use to listed at 5'10" and about 179ibs.

Not comparing Rossi to Zetterberg, just pointing out a player can be elite without elite skating.

EDIT:

Nevermind, I can't find the source that zetterberg was listed at 5'10". Thanks to RedWingsCentral.com through archive.org, he was listed at 6,0 in 2001. That's far back as I can go. Have a look at Zetterberg's funny hair dew and porn stash :LOL: Red Wings Central

 

[Christien]

Going by Bob’s recent rankings I think with our first pick we go BPA forward and with our early second snatch up Lukas Cormier then go with Khusnutdinov with our late 2nd

 

[FireBird71]

Drysdale and the Otters in Town tonight...WOO!!!!

 

[roman star]

Drysdale and the Otters in Town tonight...WOO!!!!

huge . could be at 4th even if weve already two righties . we need a height estimate please .

 

[lilidk]

Be nice to grab Mysak in the second round

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Be nice to grab Mysak in the second round

Mysak and second round? Good luck. He plays in Czech ELH, which is better league than DEL. He is comparable to Tomas Hertl.

 

[Christien]

Mysak and second round? Good luck. He plays in Czech ELH, which is better league than DEL. He is comparable to Tomas Hertl.

He’s in the OHL now, but yeah I really like him. He showed well at the WJC imo.

I’m starting to come around on Rossi. It’ll be close between him and Raymond for me if Laf/Byfield/Stutzle are gone

 

[newfy]

Mysak and second round? Good luck. He plays in Czech ELH, which is better league than DEL. He is comparable to Tomas Hertl.

Mysak has been falling out of the first round for most people, now that hes in the OHL that could change but theres a good chance as of now hes there when Detroit picks in the early second. I'm also not sure the Czech league is better than the German league anymore

 

[lilidk]

Mysak and second round? Good luck. He plays in Czech ELH, which is better league than DEL. He is comparable to Tomas Hertl.

McKenzie put him at #53 at his midseason ranking and he's playing now in OHL.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

McKenzie put him at #53 at his midseason ranking and he's playing now in OHL.

If that´s true, then team who will pick him this far is very very lucky. Czech team played badly because 2 best players were injured at the start and Varada is failed coach, who barely defeated Denmark with Necas, Kaut, Jenik, Lauko, Bednar and Zadina on roster year before. Btw he outproduced Zadina and Necas in ELH. Imagine getting Hertl at 53th.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

if so team who will pick him this far is very very lucky. Czech team played badly because 2 best players were injured at the start and Varada is failed coach, who barely defeated Denmark with Necas, Kaut, Bednar and Zadina on roster year before.

Mysak has been falling out of the first round for most people, now that hes in the OHL that could change but theres a good chance as of now hes there when Detroit picks in the early second. I'm also not sure the Czech league is better than the German league anymore

Yes czech league is better, because Mannheim is getting hammered by subpar ELH teams frequently, for example by Hradec Kralove and HC Sparta. And few teams in Adler Mannheim and EHC Munchen does not make DEL better. It is like comparing La Liga and Premier league in soccer. Edit: that was wrong comparison At least Barcelona and Real/Atletico Madrid are crushing Premier League teams easily.

 

[Killerjas]

Mysak in the 2nd is not gonna happen unless he drops like Kaliyev. I have him going 20 to 25 overall.

I say we grab Simontaival with our early 2nd.

 

[lilidk]

Alexis Lafreniere enhances No. 1 status in TSN's mid-season NHL draft ranking - TSN.ca

 

[K1900L]

Steve Yzerman and Stan Bowman are in Germany right now watching Stützle. He scored today.
This picture is actually super funny: Yzerman sitting on these old school seats among some German fans somewhere in the German no mans land

 

[Killerjas]

Steve Yzerman and Stan Bowman are in Germany right now watching Stützle. He scored today.

Source?

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Mysak in the 2nd is not gonna happen unless he drops like Kaliyev. I have him going 20 to 25 overall.

I say we grab Simontaival with our early 2nd.

THIS

 

[K1900L]

Source?

Added some source to my original post.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

THIS

Quoted for "No"

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Steve Yzerman and Stan Bowman are in Germany right now watching Stützle. He scored today.
This picture is actually super funny: Yzerman sitting on these old school seats among some German fans somewhere in the German no mans land

Looks like Hakan next to him, also.

 

[Killerjas]

Quoted for "No"

?? Kasper Simontaival is good

 

[Henkka]

?? Kasper Simontaival is good

I think he could be Konecny-type of player.

 

[Christien]

Steve Yzerman and Stan Bowman are in Germany right now watching Stützle. He scored today.
This picture is actually super funny: Yzerman sitting on these old school seats among some German fans somewhere in the German no mans land

Is that Hakan next to him?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Is that Hakan next to him?

Certainly looks like him to me.

 

[Marky9er]

?? Kasper Simontaival is good

Are we talking about 32 OA? I'd probably take my chances on him falling. There's a number of small skilled forwards available that will fall into the 50-93 range and at 32 I'm looking for a legitimate D most likely.

I love Tullio and hope he makes it into that 60-70 range where we have 3 picks.