Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Thread: Part Deux

[K1900L]

If we don't get Lafrenière or Byfield, picking Stützle would be a no-brainer for me.

We don't have enough offensive power: Larkin is a 65-70 pps player and stands out as our most productive piece. Yes, with someone like Lafreniere on is line he could easily rise up to 80 points, however, on some teams you would have Larkin playing on your second line, maybe not even centering it. Stützle would be able to play both as a center and a winger, depending on where you want him to play. Different to some users, I also don't believe that his quality as a center would decrease compared to him playing on the wing, like he did in the DEL. He has already proven that he can center his own line.

People also falsely compare him to Draisaitl: He is much faster than Draisaitl (just look at Draisaitl's junior clips) and seems to have better hands, while their passing and hockey iq are similar and both are able to center incredible power plays. However, Stützle doesn't have Draisaitl's fantastic puck-protection skills or shot (yet).

With Stützle, we would draft a player who could arguably hit 100 pps while definitely averaging above Larkin.
He is also more developed compared to North American players his age due to playing with men, just like Seider, which reduces the risk of him being a total disaster as we have already seen that he can keep up (different to North American players who only played with their peer group - there is always a chance for them not to be strong or fast enough).

I do like Drysdale, too. But good defenders don't equalize good defense, as you have seen with the Blues or even the Oilers this season. The latter were terrible last season while defending incredibly well this season, with Klefbom and Nurse being their most skilled defenders during both years, just due to different approaches to the game implemented by Tippett.
-> Good offensive players have more impact to the game than good defensive players. You can't create offensive power without great offensive pieces, but you sure can create defensive power without great defensive pieces.

This and the fact that defenders seem to need more time to develope makes me definitely want to draft a winger or center.

Hence, Stützle's upside is just too big not to pick him.

 

[Killerjas]

If we don't get Lafrenière or Byfield, picking Stützle would be a no-brainer for me.

Hence, Stützle's upside is just too big not to pick him.

This times 100. I also really like Rossi, he is so dominant. I see him fighting Stutzle for 3rd overall.

Overall we have 4 STUDS available for us and I am so hyped if we pick any of them.

 

[newfy]

If we don't get Lafrenière or Byfield, picking Stützle would be a no-brainer for me.

We don't have enough offensive power: Larkin is a 65-70 pps player and stands out as our most productive piece. Yes, with someone like Lafreniere on is line he could easily rise up to 80 points, however, on some teams you would have Larkin playing on your second line, maybe not even centering it. Stützle would be able to play both as a center and a winger, depending on where you want him to play. Different to some users, I also don't believe that his quality as a center would decrease compared to him playing on the wing, like he did in the DEL. He has already proven that he can center his own line.

People also falsely compare him to Draisaitl: He is much faster than Draisaitl (just look at Draisaitl's junior clips) and seems to have better hands, while their passing and hockey iq are similar and both are able to center incredible power plays. However, Stützle doesn't have Draisaitl's fantastic puck-protection skills or shot (yet).

With Stützle, we would draft a player who could arguably hit 100 pps while definitely averaging above Larkin.
He is also more developed compared to North American players his age due to playing with men, just like Seider, which reduces the risk of him being a total disaster as we have already seen that he can keep up (different to North American players who only played with their peer group - there is always a chance for them not to be strong or fast enough).

I do like Drysdale, too. But good defenders don't equalize good defense, as you have seen with the Blues or even the Oilers this season. The latter were terrible last season while defending incredibly well this season, with Klefbom and Nurse being their most skilled defenders during both years, just due to different approaches to the game implemented by Tippett.
-> Good offensive players have more impact to the game than good defensive players. You can't create offensive power without great offensive pieces, but you sure can create defensive power without great defensive pieces.

This and the fact that defenders seem to need more time to develope makes me definitely want to draft a winger or center.

Hence, Stützle's upside is just too big not to pick him.

Yeah there isnt any comparison to be had with Draisatl outside of where theyre born. They couldnt be more opposite type of players, especially at draft time. But one thing they really have in common is they could be two of the better skaters with the puck in the NHL. I couldnt believe when I read that this year Draisatl was leading the league in end to end rushes to gain the offensive zone. But ya Stutzle is ore of a Pettersson or Barzal type while Draisatl plays a powerish game kinda like Zetterberg offensively (except better offesnively)

But I agree, the upside with Stutzle at 3 is too high to pass up on.

EDIT: ALso for the Rossi guys (including the people who were sure he wasnt on loan or anything), Rossi just made a big goodbye post on twitter to the 67s and his billets and things like that. So I'm guessing he either knows hes AHL eligible or has already decided to go back to Europe for next season if he doesnt make the NHL

 

[Marky9er]

Rossi and pals dominant here, too.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Draisaitl has better hands than Stutzle in my opinion... I like Stutzle a lot but I am not sure projecting him against a top 5 player in the world is a great idea...

 

[Hen Kolland]

Rossi and pals dominant here, too.

Shocked that Byfield didn't show up anywhere on the entire poll

 

[Marky9er]

Shocked that Byfield didn't show up anywhere on the entire poll

I'm sure he received votes but he's in a conference with Rossi, Kaliyev, and Robertson who clean up on offensive categories. I know he was in Brock's version, although Brock had several(so many!) names in all categories. For good reason though, good players deserve recognition.

OHL Prospects: OHL Coaches Poll - My Ballot (2020)

 

[Henkka]

Rossi guys (including the people who were sure he wasnt on loan or anything), Rossi just made a big goodbye post on twitter to the 67s and his billets and things like that. So I'm guessing he either knows hes AHL eligible or has already decided to go back to Europe for next season if he doesnt make the NHL

Now also on Eliteprospects transfer rumours...

Rossi to Europe for 2021 season.

 

[Henkka]

Rossi guys (including the people who were sure he wasnt on loan or anything), Rossi just made a big goodbye post on twitter to the 67s and his billets and things like that. So I'm guessing he either knows hes AHL eligible or has already decided to go back to Europe for next season if he doesnt make the NHL

Now also on Eliteprospects transfer rumours...

"Rossi to Europe" for 2021 season.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Shocked that Byfield didn't show up anywhere on the entire poll

I see Byfield several times in that poll... Look a little closer I guess.

As he did here

Finley, Gould, & Guhle display strengths in 2020 Kubota CHL/NHL Top Prospects Sport Testing Combine – WHL Network

 

[Hen Kolland]

I see Byfield several times in that poll... Look a little closer I guess.

As he did here

Finley, Gould, & Guhle display strengths in 2020 Kubota CHL/NHL Top Prospects Sport Testing Combine – WHL Network

I mean, if I dug deeper beyond the face value of the linked article I was responding, I would have came to a different conclusion. I spent exactly zero milliseconds looking at anything other than what the article in that tweet referred me to.

The coaches poll. Not the combine testing.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I mean, if I dug deeper beyond the face value of the linked article I was responding, I would have came to a different conclusion. I spent exactly zero milliseconds looking at anything other than what the article in that tweet referred me to.

The coaches poll. Not the combine testing.

He was in several of those categories in just that one as well was what I referred to, I just linked the other one because that also has some athletic drills. Byfield is a guy that is hurt by no combine, I think Drysdale is as well as a few other guys. People I expected to have really big combine drill numbers because of the kind of athletes they are.

 

[Hen Kolland]

He was in several of those categories in just that one as well was what I referred to, I just linked the other one because that also has some athletic drills. Byfield is a guy that is hurt by no combine, I think Drysdale is as well as a few other guys. People I expected to have really big combine drill numbers because of the kind of athletes they are.

The link that I responded to did not have Byfield in the top 3 of any category of the coaches poll. I don’t think it’s a knock against him at all, just surprised more than anything. It won’t influence me one way or another. He’s still a lottery talent. You could pick him #1 for a variety of reasons and I’d understand it entirely. Personally, he’s still my top OHL prospect and 3rd in the draft behind Lafreniere and Raymond.

Which saying it out loud is kind of mystifying that I have two true wingers ahead of any projectable centers or defensemen...but talent is talent

 

[Christien]

Another good player profile:

 

[Henkka]

Small update for my average rankings.

- Now 5 different March 2020 ranks, where +100 players were ranked.
- Old rank position is one factor.
- Highest position on any rank gets a double effect.

Pick	AVG	Pos	2020 draft	Size/Hand	Highest
1	1,0	LW	Alexis Lafreniere	6'1 - L	1
2	2,7	C	Quinton Byfield	6'4 - L	2
3	3,3	C/LW	Tim Stützle	5'11 - L	2
4	4,4	RW	Lucas Raymond	5'10 - R	2
5	6,0	C/LW	Cole Perfetti	5'10 - L	3
6	6,1	LW	Alexander Holtz	6'0 - R	5
7	6,6	C	Anton Lundell	6'1 - L	3
8	6,8	RD	Jamie Drysdale	5'11 - R	5
9	7,1	C	Marco Rossi	5'9 - L	5
10	11,9	G	Jaroslav Askarov	6'3 - R	10
11	12,2	C	Dylan Holloway	6'0 - L	10
12	14,4	LW	Rodion Amirov	6'0 - L	7
13	14,7	C	Connor Zary	6'0 - L	12
14	15,7	LD	Jake Sanderson	6'1 - L	10
15	16,7	C/RW	Seth Jarvis	5'9 - R	11
16	17,4	C/LW	Jan Mysak	6'0 - L	10
17	18,1	RW	Noel Gunler	6'1 - R	14
18	18,8	RW	Jack Quinn	6'0 - R	16
19	18,9	C/RW	Dawson Mercer	6'0 - R	12
20	22,7	LD	Kaiden Guhle	6'3 - L	14
21	23,3	C	Mavrik Bourque	5'10 - R	17
22	24,1	RD	Braden Schneider	6'2 - R	13
23	24,7	C	Jacob Perreault	5'11 - R	19
24	25,0	LD	Jeremie Poirier	6'0 - L	14
25	28,4	RW	Zion Nybeck	5'7 - L	12
26	29,0	LD	Lukas Cormier	5'9 - L	20
27	29,3	RD	Justin Barron	6'2 - R	20
28	31,1	LD	Emil Andrae	5'9 - L	20
29	32,4	C	Hendrix Lapierre	5'11 - L	19
30	33,0	LD	William Wallinder	6'4 - L	21
31	33,0	LW	Lukas Reichel	6'0 - L	25
32	33,2	C	Roni Hirvonen	5'9 - L	21
33	36,2	LW	John-Jason Peterka	5'10 - L	23
34	36,7	W	Kasper Simontaival	5'9 - R	30
35	36,8	C	Thomas Bordeleau	5'9 - L	27
36	37,1	LW	Jake Neighbours	6'0 - L	31
37	38,7	C/RW	Vasili Ponomaryov	6'0 - L	23
38	38,9	C/RW	Tyson Foerster	6'1 - R	27
39	39,3	RD	Topi Niemelä	6'0 - R	30
40	40,2	C/RW	Justin Sourdif	5'11 - R	22
41	40,5	C	Marat Khusnutdinov	5'10 - L	19
42	40,6	C	Jean-Luc Foudy	6'0 - R	31
43	41,5	RD	Helge Grans	6'3 - R	11
44	43,9	LW	Sean Farrell	5'9 - L	32
45	45,9	RW	Sam Colangelo	6'2 - R	27
46	46,7	F	Ty Smilanic	6'1 - L	32
47	46,9	C	Jaromir Pytlik	6'2 - R	29
48	48,2	C	Brendan Brisson	5'11 - L	28
49	48,2	LW	Daniil Gushchin	5'8 - L	36
50	48,3	LD	Tyler Kleven	6'4 - L	33
51	48,3	RW	Ozzy Wiesblatt	5'10 - R	38
52	49,4	LD	Ryan O'Rourke	6'2 - L	30
53	49,4	W	Martin Chromiak	5'11 - R	32
54	50,1	F	Alexander Pashin	5'8 - L	24
55	51,8	C/LW	Antonio Stranges	5'11 - L	25
56	52,9	LD	Joni Jurmo	6'4 - L	34
57	53,5	LW	Luke Tuch	6'2 - L	43
58	55,0	LD	Shakir Mukhamadullin	6'4 L	36
59	56,6	C/LW	Ridly Greig	5'11 - L	45
60	59,4	LW	Carter Savoie	5'9 - L	34
61	60,0	RW	Veeti Miettinen	5'9 - R	47
62	60,3	LD	Eemil Viro	6'0 L	45
63	61,3	C	Theodor Niederbach	5'11 R	47
64	61,6	LD	Yan Kuznetsov	6'3 L	42
65	62,5	LW	Will Cuylle	6'3 - L	45
66	63,8	G	Joel Blomqvist	6'1 L	50
67	64,9	RW	Luke Evangelista	5'11 R	49
68	65,3	RD	Michael Benning	5'9 R	57
69	66,5	RW	Connor McClennon	5'8 R	46
70	67,0	RD	William Villeneuve	6'1 R	46
71	68,7	C	Dylan Peterson	6'4 R	57
72	68,8	RW	Pavel Novak	5'9 R	56
73	68,9	RD	Brock Faber	6'0 R	49
74	71,5	C	Tyler Tullio	5'10 - R	54
75	72,0	RW	Ryan Francis	5'9 R	54
76	73,8	LD	Alexander Nikishin	6'3 L	56
77	74,3	C	Theo Rochette	5'10 L	56
78	76,2	RW	Maxim Groshev	6'2 L	43
79	77,2	LW	Roby Järventie	6'2 L	55
80	77,6	LW	Brett Berard	5'9 L	62
81	77,8	F	Blake Biondi	6'0 R	74
82	80,5	G	Nico Daws	6'4	71
83	80,9	LW	Daniel Torgersson	6'3 L	61
84	81,0	RW	Oliver Suni	6'1 R	66
85	85,3	LD	Samuel Knazko	6'1 L	68
86	85,6	W	Ryder Rolston	6'1 R	55
87	86,2	C	Jack Finley	6'6 R	81
88	90,1	LD	Jacob Dion	5'9 L	47
89	90,1	LD	Donovan Sebrango	6'0 L	62
90	91,1	RD	Alex Cotton	6'2 R	62
91	91,5	RD	Eamon Powell	5'11 R	62
92	92,0	C	Juuso Mäenpää	5'5 L	86
93	92,0	RD	Ruben Rafkin	6'0 R	52
94	92,7	LW	Ivan Didkovsky	5'11 L	71
95	93,4	C	Landon Slaggert	6'0 L	74
96	93,9	LW	Dmitry Ovchinnikov	5'11 L	21
97	94,2	G	Jan Bednar	6'4	88
98	94,2	RD	Thimo Nickl	6'2 R	64
99	95,1	LD	Anton Johannesson	5'9 L	69
100	95,4	G	Nick Malik	6'2	90
101	95,4	LD	Daemon Hunt	6'0 L	55
102	95,7	F	Yevgeni Oksentyuk	5'7 L	76
103	96,3	RD	Charlie Desroches	5'10 R	75
104	97,9	C/LW	Pavel Tyutnev	5'10 L	60
105	98,6	RW	Brandon Coe	6'4 R	79
106	99,0	RW	Alex Lafferriere	5'11 R	80
107	99,6	RD	Simon Kubicek	6'2 R	82
108	99,7	LD	Ronan Seeley	5'11 L	84
109	101,1	LW	Emil Heineman	6'0 L	71
110	104,2	W	Adam Raska	5'10 R	84
111	105,6	C	Colby Ambrosio	5'9 R	67
112	106,3	C	Evan Vierling	6'0 L	93
113	106,4	C	Oskar Magnusson	5'10 L	89
114	106,9	RW	Bogdan Trineyev	6'3 R	78
115	108,3	G	Drew Commesso	6'2 L	75
116	109,2	C	Daniel Ljungman	6'1 L	70
117	109,9	LW	Cross Hanas	6'1 L	89
118	111,6	RD	Jack Thompson	6'0 R	108
119	112,6	C	Michal Gut	6'0 L	103
120	114,0	C	Tristen Robins	5'10 R	69
121	115,3	LW	Carson Bantle	6'5 L	82
122	115,7	C	Rory Kerins	5'11 L	71
123	116,6	RD	Kasper Puutio	5'11 R	104
124	116,9	C	Jack Smith	5'11 L	98
125	117,0	C	Elliot Ekmark	5'9 L	95
126	117,1	LD	Leyton Moore	5'8 L	110
127	117,3	LW	Simon Knak	6'1 L	85
128	117,9	C	Artem Shlaine	6'1 L	79
129	120,3	LD	Lukas Ramberg	6'1 L	91
130	120,7	C	Dmitri Zlodeyev	5'11 L	65
131	122,7	LD	Leo Loof	6'1 L	124
132	125,0	C/RW	Lukas Svejkovsky	5'9 R	99
133	126,3	C	Xavier Simoneau	5'7 L	92
134	126,7	C	Chase Yoder	5'10 L	108
135	128,1	RD	Luke Reid	6'0 R	83
136	128,4	C/RW	Patrick Guay	5'9 L	127
137	129,4	RD	Noah Ellis	6'1 R	86
138	130,7	LD	Christoffer Sedoff	6'2 L	98
139	131,6	LD	Hugo Styf	6'1 L	106
140	132,2	G	Amir Miftakhov	6'0	116
141	132,7	C/LW	Hayden Fowler	5'10 L	125
142	133,5	G	Calle Clang	6'2 L	118
143	135,3	F	Ben Schoen	5'8 R	133
144	138,1	C	Brady Burns	5'9 L	133
145	139,1	RD	Michal Krutil	6'2 R	105
146	139,7	LD	Jacob Truscott	6'1 L	121
147	140,4	LD	Pontus Johansson	5'11 L	109
148	142,9	C	Logan Morrison	5'11 R	134
149	143,8	G	Samuel Hlavaj	6'4	101
150	144,1	C/RW	Ethan Cardwell	5'11 R	72
151	146,1	RW	Maxim Beryozkin	6'2 R	96
152	149,7	RD	Bill Constaniou	5'11 R	86
153	149,9	C	Josh Lawrence	5'7 R	123
154	150,1	RD	Ian Moore	6'3 R	120
155	150,4	C	Ethan Bowen	6'2 L	140
156	152,6	LD	Wyatt Kaiser	6'0 L	114
157	153,7	LW	Carter Souch	5'10 L	107
158	154,6	C	Trevor Kuntar	6'0 L	87
159	154,7	C	Zayde Wisdom	5'9 R	96
160	156,8	LW	Stephen Halliday	6'3 L	117
161	157,1	RW	Kirill Kondryev	6'1 L	119
162	157,9	LD	Adam Wilsby	6'0 L	111
163	158,9	RW	Ilya Rychkov	5'9 L	124
164	162,2	LD	Noah Delemont	5'9 L	130
165	162,6	C	Wyatt Schingoethe	5'10 L	145
166	163,1	LW	Raivis Ansons	6'1 L	109
167	163,4	LD	Karri Aho	6'0 L	98
168	163,7	C	Isak Garfve	6'3 R	112

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Frk It]

He was in several of those categories in just that one as well was what I referred to, I just linked the other one because that also has some athletic drills. Byfield is a guy that is hurt by no combine, I think Drysdale is as well as a few other guys. People I expected to have really big combine drill numbers because of the kind of athletes they are.

Have to imagine the scouts all know how great of an athlete Byfield is even without the combine to confirm it... don’t you think?

 

[Killerjas]

Small update for my average rankings.

- Now 5 different March 2020 ranks, where +100 players were ranked.
- Old rank position is one factor.
- Highest position on any rank gets a double effect.

Pick	AVG	Pos	2020 draft	Size/Hand	Highest
1	1,0	LW	Alexis Lafreniere	6'1 - L	1
2	2,7	C	Quinton Byfield	6'4 - L	2
3	3,3	C/LW	Tim Stützle	5'11 - L	2
4	4,4	RW	Lucas Raymond	5'10 - R	2
5	6,0	C/LW	Cole Perfetti	5'10 - L	3
6	6,1	LW	Alexander Holtz	6'0 - R	5
7	6,6	C	Anton Lundell	6'1 - L	3
8	6,8	RD	Jamie Drysdale	5'11 - R	5
9	7,1	C	Marco Rossi	5'9 - L	5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Interesting that you have Rossi so low, do you think it is maybe there is still a bias towards shorter players?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Have to imagine the scouts all know how great of an athlete Byfield is even without the combine to confirm it... don’t you think?

I think they do, but it doesn't hurt to have those numbers out. It is kind of like we know how fast or strong certain football guys are, it doesn't mean they aren't impressed when a number ticks over and are actually reported.

I think it is actually Drysdale that would be hurt the most. Like you said I think Byfield is such a monster physically most factor that in already, but it is a guy like Drysdale or Foudy that were likely to crush the combine that would really like to see the event happen in my opinion.

 

[Henkka]

Interesting that you have Rossi so low, do you think it is maybe there is still a bias towards shorter players?

I don't have him so low. Those rankers have.

I think it's mostly the age thing. He is almost at maximum age of the class, like 18,5 years now. And Byfield is only 17,6 years.

 

[Frk It]

I think they do, but it doesn't hurt to have those numbers out. It is kind of like we know how fast or strong certain football guys are, it doesn't mean they aren't impressed when a number ticks over and are actually reported.

I think it is actually Drysdale that would be hurt the most. Like you said I think Byfield is such a monster physically most factor that in already, but it is a guy like Drysdale or Foudy that were likely to crush the combine that would really like to see the event happen in my opinion.

Yeah for sure (on Drysdale), plus any kid who has grown recently might get hurt by this a bit. That’s the biggest reason I follow the combine, is to get up to date measurements on every prospect.

 

[Marky9er]

Another good player profile:

Like this guys content. Love how he shows you EP premium stuff and tells you to pause and check it out lol. Sounds like he has Byfield/Stutzle/Rossi extremely close and is betting on Byfield to improve/refine in the future. There's some concern there about Byfield feasting on odd man rushes and what happens when he moves up from OHL and there's actually some defensive structure.

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

Interesting that you have Rossi so low, do you think it is maybe there is still a bias towards shorter players?

It's likely due to just where those he's used for his average have him ranked. Rossi is ranked 6th on this averaged ranking and he has 35 different sources. Rossi seems to be in the 5-8 range on most people's list which is fair. I know a few people have moved him to 3rd in recent months so we'll see when more people update their lists if he rises up a little bit more.

 

[Henkka]

It's likely due to just where those he's used for his average have him ranked. Rossi is ranked 6th on this averaged ranking and he has 35 different sources. Rossi seems to be in the 5-8 range on most people's list which is fair. I know a few people have moved him to 3rd in recent months so we'll see when more people update their lists if he rises up a little bit more.

That 3rd to 9th overall is very close. It could go in any order. Interesting to see what is the final outcome.

 

[Frk It]

It's likely due to just where those he's used for his average have him ranked. Rossi is ranked 6th on this averaged ranking and he has 35 different sources. Rossi seems to be in the 5-8 range on most people's list which is fair. I know a few people have moved him to 3rd in recent months so we'll see when more people update their lists if he rises up a little bit more.

I think Rossi is a player higher on places like this website than by actual scouts. But that's just my personal opinion. People here don't really factor in risk appropriately, because their jobs are not the ones on the line.

 

[Christien]

Scouch with a new profile on Reichel: