2020 HOF Ballot released

[Neutrinos]

Interesting fact about Jeff Kent is that he finished top 10 in MVP voting 4 times, but wasn't named to the all-star team in 3 of those seasons

He was only a 5x all-star in his career

 

[Say Hey Kid]

10	Robinson Cano	69.6	2185	2005	2019	22-36	9264	8502	1234	2570	562	33	324	1272	607	111	1165	84	10	61	277	51	38	.302	.352	.490	.843	*4/DH356	NYY-SEA-NYM
11	Ryne Sandberg	68.0	2164	1981	1997	21-37	9282	8385	1318	2386	403	76	282	1061	761	59	1260	34	31	71	139	344	107	.285	.344	.452	.795	*45/H6D	PHI-CHC
12	Roberto Alomar	67.1	2379	1988	2004	20-36	10400	9073	1508	2724	504	80	210	1134	1032	62	1140	50	148	97	206	474	114	.300	.371	.443	.814	*4/HD6	SDP-TOR-BAL-CLE-NYM-CHW-ARI
13	Willie Randolph	65.9	2202	1975	1992	20-37	9461	8018	1239	2210	316	65	54	687	1243	37	675	38	99	64	219	271	94	.276	.373	.351	.724	*4/HD5	PIT-NYY-LAD-OAK-MIL-NYM
14	Craig Biggio	65.5	2850	1988	2007	22-41	12504	10876	1844	3060	668	55	291	1175	1160	68	1753	285	101	81	150	414	124	.281	.363	.433	.796	*4287/HD9	HOU
15	Chase Utley	65.4	1937	2003	2018	24-39	7863	6857	1103	1885	411	58	259	1025	724	62	1193	204	6	72	93	154	22	.275	.358	.465	.823	*4H/3D5	PHI-LAD
16	Jackie Robinson	61.4	1382	1947	1956	28-37	5804	4877	947	1518	273	54	137	734	740	61	291	72	104	9	113	197	76	.311	.409	.474	.883	*4537/H69	BRO
17	Ian Kinsler	57.2	1888	2006	2019	24-37	8299	7423	1243	1999	416	41	257	909	693	11	1046	92	32	59	161	243	74	.269	.337	.440	.777	*4/DH15	TEX-DET-BOS-LAA-SDP
18	Luis Aparicio	55.8	2599	1956	1973	22-39	11230	10230	1335	2677	394	92	83	791	736	22	742	27	161	76	184	506	136	.262	.311	.343	.653	*6/H	BAL-CHW-BOS
19	Jeff Kent	55.4

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Interesting fact about Jeff Kent is that he finished top 10 in MVP voting 4 times, but wasn't named to the all-star team in 3 of those seasons. He was only a 5x all-star in his career

Kent was a good hitter with a 123 OPS+, but because of his defense (-0.1 dWAR) and base running (94 SBs), all these middle infielders have higher WARs.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Alot of these writers should not be allowed to vote on this IMO

The bias and nonsense they use to try and block people from HOF shows they dont have integrity to carry out duty

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Removing worthy players because it's "Jeter's year" is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Jeter was great and for sure is an HoFer but is somehow still the most overrated player ever. Why does he need to go in by himself? So so stupid.

Nobody should go in by themselves. Vote for the worthy candidates and whoever gets elected gets elected.

 

[JWK]

I’m cackling at the only Jeter ballots.

MLB has the dumbest voters for the HOF.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Removing worthy players because it's "Jeter's year" is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Jeter was great and for sure is an HoFer but is somehow still the most overrated player ever. Why does he need to go in by himself? So so stupid.

Nobody should go in by themselves. Vote for the worthy candidates and whoever gets elected gets elected.

Yup.

Jeter = Biggio + ridiculous Yankee hype

 

[EpochLink]

Some of these HOF voters are stupid, revoke their ballots.

 

[KingArthursCourt]

Jeter-only ballots are possibly dumber than blank ones.

Not as dumb as Jack Morris-only ballots though, or ballots that included Jack Morris but excluded Greg Maddux because Maddux played during the "steroid era" (yes, clearly Greg Maddux was both using steroids and they were helping his performance relative to the hitters he was facing, tell me more...).

 

[Say Hey Kid]

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	Travis Shaw (5, 29)	3.0	L
	Reggie Smith (17)	3.0	B
	Pep Young (10)	3.0	R
994.	Mike Aviles (10)	2.9	R
	Miguel Cairo (17)	2.9	R
	Andy Carey (11)	2.9	R
	Don Hoak (11)	2.9	R
	Charlie Irwin (10)	2.9	L
	Fred Jacklitsch (13)	2.9	R
	Paddy Livingston (7)	2.9	R
Rank	Player (yrs, age)	Defensive WAR	Bats
	Joe Mauer (15)	2.9	L
	Doug Mirabelli (12)	2.9	R

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yup. Jeter = Biggio + ridiculous Yankee hype

This is so true. Jeter played 2747 games at shortstop yet is not in the top 1000 in dWAR. Players who played a fraction of that number of games such as the ones listed above made the list. Travis Shaw has only played 5 seasons and he made the list.​

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

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This is so true. Jeter played 2747 games at shortstop yet is not in the top 1000 in dWAR. Players who played a fraction of that number of games such as the ones listed above made the list. Travis Shaw has only played 5 seasons and he made the list.​

Just to add the comparison to prove the point.

Jeter: 3,465 hits .311/.377/.440
Biggio: 3,060 hits .281/.363/.433

Jeter: .817 ops, 115 ops+
Biggio: .796 ops, 112 ops+

Jeter: -8.3 dWAR, 96.3 oWAR, 72.5 WAR
Biggio: -2.9 dWAR, 76.2 oWAR, 65.5 WAR

Jeter: 254 errors, .976 fld%, 3.90 range factor/gm (league average = 4.46)
Biggio: 201 errors, .985 fld%, 4.61 range factor/gm (league average = 4.91)

Jeter: -243 runs from fielding, 353 runs from batting, 756 runs better than replacement
Biggio: -100 runs from fielding, 257 runs from batting, 687 runs better than replacement

Jeter: .511% w/l on average team
Biggio: .511% w/l on average team

Jeter: 31.0 wins added above average player
Biggio: 29.1 wins added above average player

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Jeter's defense drastically declined at the turn of the century and he was living on both reputation and "ZOMG JUMP THROWS!" and other things that were extremely overblown like when Giambi didn't slide or when he caught a ball and ran 15 feet and jumped into the stands. Some of those jump throws wouldn't be necessary if he had better range.

 

[Neutrinos]

I think a better comparison for Jeter would be Larkin

 

[BKIslandersFan]

Interesting fact about Jeff Kent is that he finished top 10 in MVP voting 4 times, but wasn't named to the all-star team in 3 of those seasons

He was only a 5x all-star in his career

All Star games are popularity contest and Jeff Kent wasn't really a popular dude.

At least thats my guess.

 

[EpochLink]

All Star games are popularity contest and Jeff Kent wasn't really a popular dude.

At least thats my guess.

SB Nation has a video in regards to this, check out Barry Bonds vs Jeff Kent.

They detail all of Barry Bonds well documented stuff while shining a light on Kent's, he had several issues and I'm surprised the media did not catch on to it.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

	Eric Chavez (17)	115	L
	Doug DeCinces (15)	115	R
	Bobby Doerr+ (14)	115	R
	Lucas Duda (10, 33)	115	L
	Bob Fothergill (12)	115	R
	Yasmani Grandal (8, 30)	115	B
	Solly Hemus (11)	115	L
	Derek Jeter (20)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I never realized what a mediocre hitter Jeter was. Duda and Grandal are better.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, the Jeter only ballots are stupid. If I had a ballot I'd mark 10 names on it.

 

[Ozamataz Buckshank]

Jeter is absolutely a hall of famer (as much as it pains a Redsox fan to say), but some of these voters are acting like he is one of the greatest players of all time, it's ridiculous. He was a good hitting, poor fielding SS who happened to play on a lot of loaded teams in the biggest media market in the league.

 

[SSF]

Yeaaaaaa Jeets!!!!!

*hands gift baskets to everyone in the thread *

 

[JeremyTB]

Only two 3rd basemen have more gold gloves than Rolen and they are both in the HOF. IMO Scott Rolen is the best defensive 3rd Basemen all-time. Yes even better than Schmidt and Robinson. Mike Schmidt himself said Rolen was better than him defensively. If not for the injuries I think Rolen's gold glove count would be well into double digits. Oh and he could hit, for average, for power, he could run bases(Very high IQ baserunner). And I loved how he always hustled(unfortunetely it lead to horrible injuries). We always hear about 5 tool players in baseball and in his prime he was one of them.

 

[rangerssharks414]

Only two 3rd basemen have more gold gloves than Rolen and they are both in the HOF. IMO Scott Rolen is the best defensive 3rd Basemen all-time. Yes even better than Schmidt and Robinson. Mike Schmidt himself said Rolen was better than him defensively. If not for the injuries I think Rolen's gold glove count would be well into double digits. Oh and he could hit, for average, for power, he could run bases(Very high IQ baserunner). And I loved how he always hustled(unfortunetely it lead to horrible injuries). We always hear about 5 tool players in baseball and in his prime he was one of them.

There aren't many third basemen in the HoF, either.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

Defensively Brooks > Rolen

 

[Vamos Rafa]

Yup.

Jeter = Biggio + ridiculous Yankee hype

Now that's an Astro that deserved a WS ring.

 

[Cassano]

Jeter was quite clearly better than Biggio. Not sure why the comparison is being made.

Edit: The voter is pretty dumb to only vote for Jeter, but don't underplay his accomplishments.

 

[darko]

Jeter was quite clearly better than Biggio. Not sure why the comparison is being made.

Edit: The voter is pretty dumb to only vote for Jeter, but don't underplay his accomplishments.

Big bad Bruin. That's why.