2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II

[Ola]

I can't remember the last prospect that was brought up as frequently as Newhook

Yeah, I think the unique factor is that basically up until now guys who had that skill set as well as having a game without any restraints was pretty rare and they had not failed at all in the NHL. Like Point, Barzal and co. Tyson Jost is maybe border line, but I don't know how skilled that kid really was as a junior. I have never been a fan.

Junior hockey is adopting to the new conditions just like pro hockey. Evolving. We are seeing more and more guys like this come up and they are sought after. I think its a bit of a challenge to draw up the parameters for just how good you must be to be successful, find bench-marks for all environments and so forth.

I love Newhook, but I would never say that I am fully confident that he will become a big star. I would just rather bet on him than many others. And I think that makes him such a tease, is he a top 5 talent or someone who will have a much more marginal impact? Wing or center?

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

I can't remember the last prospect that was brought up as frequently as Newhook

Probably because hes in an organization that's in win now mode and could be traded for assets that will bolster that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Probably because hes in an organization that's in win now mode and could be traded for assets that will bolster that.

It's not that. It's about specifically Newhook. The amount of trade proposals including Newhook and the Rangers is insanely high

 

[True Blue]

It's not that. It's about specifically Newhook. The amount of trade proposals including Newhook and the Rangers is insanely high

That and the fact that there is no smoke about Newhook. He fell to the Avs they took him. They could have traded out of the spot. Not our vetted insiders have heard as much as a whisper about him being on the table at all.

 

[Edge]

See that's where I jump on the Connor Zary train. He's a center who plays in all situations. He's gonna be the steal of this draft

Zary is a kid I like a lot as you get outside the top 10. He's a little older, and doesn't necessarily play a game that leaps off the page with excitement.

He's a smart player, who gets the most out of every tool he has in the box. I don't think he has the top shelf skills to be a first line center, but he has a very good chance to be an effective second line center.

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

Zary is a kid I like a lot as you get outside the top 10. He's a little older, and doesn't necessarily play a game that leaps off the page with excitement.

He's a smart player, who gets the most out of every tool he has in the box. I don't think he has the top shelf skills to be a first line center, but he has a very good chance to be an effective second line center.

See I think he can grow into a number 1 role. He plays in every situation and does it well in what is the most defensive league in the chl

 

[Edge]

See I think he can grow into a number 1 role. He plays in every situation and does it well in what is the most defensive league in the chl

The biggest knock I have on him is that he's the type of kid who is easy to love because he puts all of his abilities on display, but he has to do that because I don't think he can skate by on skill alone.

His hockey sense and IQ rate very high, beyond that most of his other attributes are probably in the good to very good range, but not necessarily great. Against the best competition in the world, I do wonder how far that can carry him.

Push comes to shove, I think that's probably what separates him from someone like Zibanejad, or even Chytil --- guys we typically think of when talking about an ideal first line center, or a potential first line center.

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

The biggest knock I have on him is that he's the type of kid who is easy to love because he puts all of his abilities on display, but he has to do that because I don't think he can skate by on skill alone.

His hockey sense and IQ rate very high, beyond that most of his other attributes are probably in the good to very good range, but not necessarily great. Against the best competition in the world, I do wonder how far that can carry him.

Push comes to shove, I think that's probably what separates him from someone like Zibanejad, or even Chytil --- guys we typically think of when talking about an ideal first line center, or a potential first line center.

Here some food for thought, in 1987 Joe Sakic went 15 overall see below with the exception of maybe Shanahan none of these guys even came close to him carer wise.

1	Buffalo Sabres	Pierre Turgeon	CA	C	18	2007	Granby (QMJHL)	1294	515	812	1327	139	452							134.3
2	New Jersey Devils	Brendan Shanahan	CA	LW	18	2009	London (OHL)	1524	656	698	1354	151	2489							148.0
3	Boston Bruins	Glen Wesley	CA	D	18	2008	Portland (WHL)	1457	128	409	537	66	1045							104.1
4	Los Angeles Kings	Wayne McBean	CA	D	18	1994	Medicine Hat (WHL)	211	10	39	49	-72	168							5.5
5	Pittsburgh Penguins	Chris Joseph	CA	D	18	2001	Seattle (WHL)	510	39	112	151	-71	567							21.8
6	Minnesota North Stars	Dave Archibald	CA	C/LW	18	1997	Portland (WHL)	323	57	67	124	-75	139							4.6
7	Toronto Maple Leafs	Luke Richardson	CA	D	18	2009	Peterborough (OHL)	1417	35	166	201	-119	2055							45.5
8	Chicago Blackhawks	Jimmy Waite	CA	G	18	1999	Chicoutimi (QMJHL)	106	0	1	1	0	10	106	28	41	12	.871	3.35	8.3
9	Quebec Nordiques	Bryan Fogarty	CA	D	18	1995	Kingston (OHL)	156	22	52	74	-83	119							6.8
10	New York Rangers	Jay More	CA	D	18	1999	New Westminster (WCHL)	406	18	54	72	-78	702							14.0
11	Detroit Red Wings	Yves Racine	CA	D	18	1998	Longueuil (QMJHL)	508	37	194	231	-39	439							31.6
12	St. Louis Blues	Keith Osborne	CA	RW	18	1993	North Bay (OHL)	16	1	3	4	-3	16							-0.1
13	New York Islanders	Dean Chynoweth	CA	D	18	1998	Medicine Hat (WHL)	241	4	18	22	-22	667							7.1
14	Boston Bruins	Stephane Quintal	CA	D	18	2004	Granby (QMJHL)	1037	63	180	243	-89	1320							50.5
15	Quebec Nordiques	Joe Sakic	CA	C	18	2009	Swift Current (WHL)	1378	625	1016	1641	30	614							167.8

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Edge]

Here some food for thought, in 1987 Joe Sakic went 15 overall see below with the exception of maybe Shanahan none of these guys even came close to him carer wise.

1	Buffalo Sabres	Pierre Turgeon	CA	C	18	2007	Granby (QMJHL)	1294	515	812	1327	139	452							134.3
2	New Jersey Devils	Brendan Shanahan	CA	LW	18	2009	London (OHL)	1524	656	698	1354	151	2489							148.0
3	Boston Bruins	Glen Wesley	CA	D	18	2008	Portland (WHL)	1457	128	409	537	66	1045							104.1
4	Los Angeles Kings	Wayne McBean	CA	D	18	1994	Medicine Hat (WHL)	211	10	39	49	-72	168							5.5
5	Pittsburgh Penguins	Chris Joseph	CA	D	18	2001	Seattle (WHL)	510	39	112	151	-71	567							21.8
6	Minnesota North Stars	Dave Archibald	CA	C/LW	18	1997	Portland (WHL)	323	57	67	124	-75	139							4.6
7	Toronto Maple Leafs	Luke Richardson	CA	D	18	2009	Peterborough (OHL)	1417	35	166	201	-119	2055							45.5
8	Chicago Blackhawks	Jimmy Waite	CA	G	18	1999	Chicoutimi (QMJHL)	106	0	1	1	0	10	106	28	41	12	.871	3.35	8.3
9	Quebec Nordiques	Bryan Fogarty	CA	D	18	1995	Kingston (OHL)	156	22	52	74	-83	119							6.8
10	New York Rangers	Jay More	CA	D	18	1999	New Westminster (WCHL)	406	18	54	72	-78	702							14.0
11	Detroit Red Wings	Yves Racine	CA	D	18	1998	Longueuil (QMJHL)	508	37	194	231	-39	439							31.6
12	St. Louis Blues	Keith Osborne	CA	RW	18	1993	North Bay (OHL)	16	1	3	4	-3	16							-0.1
13	New York Islanders	Dean Chynoweth	CA	D	18	1998	Medicine Hat (WHL)	241	4	18	22	-22	667							7.1
14	Boston Bruins	Stephane Quintal	CA	D	18	2004	Granby (QMJHL)	1037	63	180	243	-89	1320							50.5
15	Quebec Nordiques	Joe Sakic	CA	C	18	2009	Swift Current (WHL)	1378	625	1016	1641	30	614							167.8

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I get that, but even throwing out that 33 years of differences, or that Zary will be almost a year older than Sakic on his draft day, he doesn't appear to have remotely the same skill set an 18 year old Sakic had.

So my measuring stick for Zary isn't where Joe Sakic was drafted, it tends to be focused on how his skill set compares to guys who have been drafted in more recent years and/or current NHL centers and how they looked at a similar age.

In that sense, he seems to more closely resemble guys who have gone on to have careers on the second line, as opposed to guys who typically have played on a top line.

 

[Lion Hound]

Here some food for thought, in 1987 Joe Sakic went 15 overall see below with the exception of maybe Shanahan none of these guys even came close to him carer wise.

1	Buffalo Sabres	Pierre Turgeon	CA	C	18	2007	Granby (QMJHL)	1294	515	812	1327	139	452							134.3
2	New Jersey Devils	Brendan Shanahan	CA	LW	18	2009	London (OHL)	1524	656	698	1354	151	2489							148.0
3	Boston Bruins	Glen Wesley	CA	D	18	2008	Portland (WHL)	1457	128	409	537	66	1045							104.1
4	Los Angeles Kings	Wayne McBean	CA	D	18	1994	Medicine Hat (WHL)	211	10	39	49	-72	168							5.5
5	Pittsburgh Penguins	Chris Joseph	CA	D	18	2001	Seattle (WHL)	510	39	112	151	-71	567							21.8
6	Minnesota North Stars	Dave Archibald	CA	C/LW	18	1997	Portland (WHL)	323	57	67	124	-75	139							4.6
7	Toronto Maple Leafs	Luke Richardson	CA	D	18	2009	Peterborough (OHL)	1417	35	166	201	-119	2055							45.5
8	Chicago Blackhawks	Jimmy Waite	CA	G	18	1999	Chicoutimi (QMJHL)	106	0	1	1	0	10	106	28	41	12	.871	3.35	8.3
9	Quebec Nordiques	Bryan Fogarty	CA	D	18	1995	Kingston (OHL)	156	22	52	74	-83	119							6.8
10	New York Rangers	Jay More	CA	D	18	1999	New Westminster (WCHL)	406	18	54	72	-78	702							14.0
11	Detroit Red Wings	Yves Racine	CA	D	18	1998	Longueuil (QMJHL)	508	37	194	231	-39	439							31.6
12	St. Louis Blues	Keith Osborne	CA	RW	18	1993	North Bay (OHL)	16	1	3	4	-3	16							-0.1
13	New York Islanders	Dean Chynoweth	CA	D	18	1998	Medicine Hat (WHL)	241	4	18	22	-22	667							7.1
14	Boston Bruins	Stephane Quintal	CA	D	18	2004	Granby (QMJHL)	1037	63	180	243	-89	1320							50.5
15	Quebec Nordiques	Joe Sakic	CA	C	18	2009	Swift Current (WHL)	1378	625	1016	1641	30	614							167.8

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That was an eternity ago! Everyone coming out of Canadien Jrs.

 

[RickChartraw]

Ah yes, the year we drafted The Legend Jay More

 

[Edge]

Ah yes, the year we drafted The Legend Jay More

The second stint in the organization was just as memorable as the first.

 

[Edge]

We talk about 2003 and 2010.

But how about that run from 1987-1989?

Fresh off the heels of taking Brian Leetch 9th overall in 1986, the Rangers take Jay More 10th overall in 1987. Five picks later, Joe Sakic goes to Nords.

A year later, in exchange for Michel Bergeron, the Rangers send the Nords their fifth pick. They whiff miserably, but the Rangers miss out on Roenick, Brindamour, and Selanne at picks 8,9 and 10.

Finally, in 1989 we take Steven Rice at 20. Two picks later? There’s the Nords again picking Adam Foote.

Forget Lindros and the Flyers, we have almost as much connection as anyone to what the Nords/Avs became.

 

[Leetch3]

We talk about 2003 and 2010.

But how about that run from 1987-1989?

Fresh off the heels of taking Brian Leetch 9th overall in 1986, the Rangers take Jay More 10th overall in 1987. Five picks later, Joe Sakic goes to Nords.

A year later, in exchange for Michel Bergeron, the Rangers send the Nords their fifth pick. They whiff miserably, but the Rangers miss out on Roenick, Brindamour, and Selanne at picks 8,9 and 10.

Finally, in 1989 we take Steven Rice at 20. Two picks later? There’s the Nords again picking Adam Foote.

Forget Lindros and the Flyers, we have almost as much connection as anyone to what the Nords/Avs became.

in summary, we should not be complaining about the current staff

 

[Edge]

in summary, we should not be complaining about the current staff

I think when you’ve lived through and seen some truly awful decisions, you develop some resiliency.

The 2005-2017 Rangers is the second most enjoyable time period of my fandom, and easily the longest sustained period of overall enjoyment.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think when you’ve lived through and seen some truly awful decisions, you develop some resiliency.

The 2005-2017 Rangers is the second most enjoyable time period of my fandom, and easily the longest sustained period of overall enjoyment.

Yup. Given what the dark period brought us as fans, it’s hard to be as disappointed as some fans would have us believe we should be.

 

[Edge]

Yup. Given what the dark period brought us as fans, it’s hard to be as disappointed as some fans would have us believe we should be.

And having worked through a lot of it, it makes it even harder for me to subscribe to the cup or fail approach.

 

[Ghost of jas]

And having worked through a lot of it, it makes it even harder for me to subscribe to the cup or fail approach.

Back to the thread topic at hand. Aside from winning the lottery, again, what player in the top ten are you hoping is still on the board if the Rangers are drafting in the 7-9 range?

 

[Edge]

I’d love to come away with one of Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Holtz, Perfetti, Rossi or Raymond.

And that’s the order I have them in.

 

[mas0764]

Back to the thread topic at hand. Aside from winning the lottery, again, what player in the top ten are you hoping is still on the board if the Rangers are drafting in the 7-9 range?

For pete's sake, the way this team keeps winning they are gonna have to trade up to get to 7-9.

Which I'm still ok with.

 

[mas0764]

I’d love to come away with one of Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Holtz, Perfetti, Rossi or Raymond.

And that’s the order I have them in.

Swap Raymond for Perfetti and I agree

 

[Edge]

For pete's sake, the way this team keeps winning they are gonna have to trade up to get to 7-9.

Which I'm still ok with.

the funny thing is that we really haven’t pulled away from the pack. Coming into the game, I think we only had two more points than the team picking 7th.

 

[Edge]

Swap Raymond for Perfetti and I agree

Raymond is the potential home run swing, but also the kid who worries me a little more. The health issues aside, there is feedback here and there that worries me. Not to the point where I wouldn’t take him, but at least to the point that he finds himself grouped in with players that he really should be a tier above.

 

[mas0764]

I'm no draft expert but from what I've read Raymond used to be kinda a clear third behind Lafrieniere and Byfield but has now slipped. So I understand that. I'm just watching highlights but Perfetti does not stand out to me like the others do.

Rossi stands out a ton but I'm slightly concerned with his size. He's quite small, isn't he?

I know being too big is a negative these days but Rossi is real small. Still like him over Perfetti though.

I like Lundell too but he seems like a classic 50 point second line center, not an elite top-line driver.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I’d love to come away with one of Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Holtz, Perfetti, Rossi or Raymond.

And that’s the order I have them in.

My gut tells me the Rangers come away with one of the Swedish kids.