GDT: 2020-21 season game 37 LA Kings vs Arizona Coyotes @7:00pm 4/5/21

Discussion in 'Los Angeles Kings' started by kingsboy11, Apr 5, 2021.

  1. Bandit HFBoards Sponsor Sponsor

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2005
    Messages:
    23,519
    Likes Received:
    9,544
    Trophy Points:
    231
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    "Serenity comes from not wishing for a different past"
     
    All The Kings Men likes this.
  2. Mats26 Youth Movement

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    1,117
    Trophy Points:
    184
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male

    I agree it's a process. We were also told they had a 5 year plan. We are in year 3 now.
    Some fans want to see progress in the process. While others are just waiting for QB and company to come in and lead us to the promise land.

    I think we need to see some progress with what we have and add the higher end prospects to that.
     
  3. Docgonzo Triple Crown Line

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,320
    Likes Received:
    584
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Chino, Ca
    While yeah it’s disappointing, anybody complaining about Vilardi needs to just be quiet. He’s hit a rookie wall, just like every other rookie this season not named Kaprizov.

    In the last month
    Stuetzle 1g 5a
    Norris 4g 1a
    Smith 0g 8a (Ty’s still playing well)
    Suter 4g 2a
    Vilardi 0g 5a
    Lafreniere 1g 2a
    Hoglander 2g 3a
    Robertson 5g 12a
    Tolvanen 6g 8a
    Kaprizov 8g 4a

    So other than Kaprizov all the rookies who started fast have trailed off while the slow starters have started to rise.
     
  4. kingsfan28 Its A Kingspiracy !

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2005
    Messages:
    32,446
    Likes Received:
    3,591
    Trophy Points:
    231
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Occupation:
    graphic designer
    Location:
    Corsi Hill
    The wall has hit almost all the rookies. Valardi is currently buried in rubbled at the moment.
    I don't see Kaprizov as a true rookie like the others. He has something like 300 pro games played and probably hit the wall 4 years ago in the KHL.
     
  5. GoldenBearHockey Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Messages:
    5,744
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    What progress haven't you seen yet?

    Mike Andersson, top pairing
    Tobias Bjornfoot, 4th-6th D depending on situation
    Gabe Villardi - solidified spot on the roster
    Matt Roy - Growing into a top notch #3

    etc,

    What I am missing with....we need to see progress?
     
  6. andys Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2019
    Messages:
    2,448
    Likes Received:
    562
    Trophy Points:
    84
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Or the game I watched as a young boy and then later played! Remember Bobby Orr and a host of others that would try the end to end rushes and score! Don't see that much anymore...no room,no room to roam and skate...players are bigger and the Goaltenders with the Super Ultra huge equipment killing chances,killing real excitement and goals! As fans of the game the game needs to Evolve to permanent 4 on 4 and making the bluelines 5 cm instead of the stripe...any ideas?
     
  7. KingsCourt Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    Messages:
    2,745
    Likes Received:
    233
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Why is everyone on Carter, he is what he is.
    He should be playing 4th line, the sad part other guys have not unseated him for the spot.
    Some say buyout..why? has one year left after this, restrict his mins and draw down the contract, we are not contenders.

    The Carter/Gabe experiment should be over, hard to watch.
    It's been a roll coaster of emotions with me with Gabe we he was awesome in the first part of the season (say 20-25 games), now he just looks beaten down, a few flashes here and there but overall he's not the same.
    Based the list above seems like all rookies facing the challenges (except Kap who's actually 23 and been through a few seasons of grind already, ala breadman).

    I'd like to see Gabe on the wing with Kop, as i think that will be he's spot (on wing).

    as kopi goes, the kings go...has been this way for over a decade and don't see anything the current roster that that would change my opinion
     
  8. johnjm22 16,005

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2005
    Messages:
    12,982
    Likes Received:
    3,342
    Trophy Points:
    231
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    "Not wanting something is as good as having it."
     
  9. BigKing Modry Sucks

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2003
    Messages:
    9,179
    Likes Received:
    6,232
    Trophy Points:
    201
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Belmont Shore, CA
    Home Page:
    I know you are an anti-tank/rebuild guy so this take isn't surprising but I agree with you whereas I didn't two-to-three years go. The part I agree with is that Blake needs to make some moves to improve the team heading into next season while also incorporating some more youth. I think the goal next season will be to make the playoffs but that they actually believe that they will unlike this season where it was mostly lip service.

    Not so sure about the hot seat though. I really have no idea where AEG is at with this franchise except for the fact that they are happy Blake isn't spending a lot of real dollars on this team. The seat probably isn't too hot for him or T-Mac if they miss the playoffs but get real close; however, another season in the cellar would lead to some problems.
     
  10. Docgonzo Triple Crown Line

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,320
    Likes Received:
    584
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Chino, Ca
    I know the win streak sparked hope and now everybody is down but look at this roster.

    Games played

    The old vets
    Kopitar 1110
    Doughty 956
    Brown 1218
    Carter 1077
    Quick 660

    The “seasoned” vets
    Iaffalo 263
    AA 332
    Kempe 293
    Maatta 451

    The less that 2 full seasons squad (164)
    Vilardi 47
    Moore 104
    JAD 25
    Walker 137
    Wagner 156
    Grundstrom 61
    Anderson 41
    Lizotte 97
    Clague 17
    Bjornfot 22
    MacDermid 113
    Andersson 79
    Roy 125
    Strand 17
    Peterson 40

    It sucks to see good/decent seasons from Kopitar, Doughty and Brown go to waste but this season with no fans is a complete development season for a majority of this roster.
     
    Raccoon Jesus likes this.
  11. BigKing Modry Sucks

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2003
    Messages:
    9,179
    Likes Received:
    6,232
    Trophy Points:
    201
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Belmont Shore, CA
    Home Page:
    I also just wanted to say that I understand getting caught up in winning streaks but Jesus Christ if there is a fan base that should know better it is this one.

    If the defending champ 2015 Kings can rip off a seven game winning streak and still miss the playoffs, why is anyone banking on a Bottom 5 team's seven game win streak from a season prior or this team's six game streak in the COVID season?

    It's still all about individual progress and then T-Mac's system taking hold. We're just in a rough stretch at the moment. I'll be concerned if they don't snap out of it but I'm not freaking out yet.

    Hoping Lemieux provides a spark and forces these guys to take their panties off. Best part of last night's game was MacDermid boarding that guy and then the Kings gaining momentum from the subsequent penalty kill for the rest of the 1st period.
     
    bouncesonly likes this.
  12. DoktorJeep Leader of the pack

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2005
    Messages:
    2,767
    Likes Received:
    1,485
    Trophy Points:
    184
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    OC
    Blake’s next trade to add a significant piece to the roster will be his first. With no track record, the book is open as far as what to expect.

    If that type of move is made, what ends up going the other way will be telling. Sending roster players out who are productive, full time NHL minute eaters means being a playoff caliber team is 2-3 years in the future.

    Sending out talented prospects means Blake is pushing for the playoffs next season. If this years team ends up a top 20 club, then I see this happening. Given their current trajectory, a bottom 10 finish is more likely, unless they immediately turn things around. If they go on a late season winning streak during garbage time, it will take some patience to make the right decisions.
     
  13. johnjm22 16,005

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2005
    Messages:
    12,982
    Likes Received:
    3,342
    Trophy Points:
    231
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    When the Kings called up Vilardi last year, I didn't really understand why. After hardly playing any hockey, he finally got into a little bit of a groove, then the Kings immediately call him up and make him a full time NHLer.

    I didn't complain about it because he ended up doing pretty well in his initial stint, but I still don't get it.

    Wagner is another one for me. People complain about him, but he has some nice attributes and has shown some flashes. I don't understand why the Kings have him in the NHL, when he could work on refining his game and being a scorer in the AHL.

    I disagree on JAD. He hasn't even shown that he can be an above average AHL player. Why should he be the Kings second line center?
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2021
    Mats26 and BigBrown like this.
  14. driller1 Dry Island Reject

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2010
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    288
    Trophy Points:
    124
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Anderson has actually been on of the few positive surprises. I think I read somewhere that amongst top pairs, DD and Mikey had given up the fewest 5 vs 5 goals against, which is pretty amazing when they get matched with #1 lines. He's the least of our problems.

    Besides, if you move Mikey down, who do you bring up? Bjornfot and Maata are hurt, Roy is on Covid protocol. TMac isn't working with a whole lot here.
     
  15. Mats26 Youth Movement

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    1,117
    Trophy Points:
    184
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Watch Ottawa play, from the start of the season to now, then I will explain what progress is.
    Even with Stuzle's 1 goal in 20 the group is growing together moving forward. This team is afloat becasue of 2-3 vets. If next year we see the same "progression" we are in for a long rebuild.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2021
  16. lexlavender Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2013
    Messages:
    1,015
    Likes Received:
    424
    Trophy Points:
    94
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Vilardi, to me right now, is someone who needs tenacity on his wings in order to thrive. With Carter, who can't hold the puck to save his life, Vilardi is being expected to fetch and hold the puck until reinforcements enter the zone. However, he neither has the speed nor the experience to take on 2-3 guys like Kopitar can right now. If he had someone like an Iafallo on his wing who can fetch the puck and hold it long enough for everyone else to enter the zone, i feel that would help him a lot.
     
    Chazz Reinhold likes this.
  17. All The Kings Men Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2016
    Messages:
    252
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    79
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    That was true before this catastrophic stretch of games... currently there are 25 defensive pairs with more than 400 minutes played together. Doughty and Anderson have played over 500.

    Doughty and Anderson

    tied for 5th best in total goals against at even strength (16) among those 25 pairs and tied for 5th per 60
    the top pair has been on the ice for 12 for comparison

    7th best in total shot attempts against at even strength, 6th in shot attempts per 60

    19th in xGA at even strength (whatever that's worth)

    Defensively the Kings top pair is doing it's job. One could (and many have) argued that they're not contributing enough offensively and that certainly skews the CF%, FF% and GF% numbers but personally I'm comfortable pinning a lot of that blame on the forward corps.


    EDIT : The pairs that have been on the ice for fewer 5 v 5 goals are

    Hamilton/Slavin - 12
    Weegar/Ekblad - 14
    Brodin/Dumba - 14
    Fox/Lindgren - 15
     
  18. Docgonzo Triple Crown Line

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,320
    Likes Received:
    584
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Chino, Ca
    The Kings are showing progress, it’s just on in the D corps. Minus 3 possible players our promising prospects in defense are all playing on the team throughout the season.

    We only have 2 promising forward rookies playing on the roster while the rest play together in the AHL.

    Problem is you can’t introduce 20 rookies at once, and what’s harder to figure out, defense or offense?

    And even Ottawa isn’t as young an inexperienced as this roster.
     
  19. Mats26 Youth Movement

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    1,117
    Trophy Points:
    184
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male

    I really don't care about age, for me is how are these prospects being developed. Right now look over the Sens stats and ice time etc...the prospects are leading the way. They were properly developed and are laying the foundation down for themselves as core players and to support the next wave. All had full years of AHL or Pro experiance. Kings are not there yet, might not be for a few more years.
     
  20. Reaper45 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2003
    Messages:
    35,739
    Likes Received:
    3,138
    Trophy Points:
    232
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Not just that but how many games has he actually played the past few seasons?
     
    Docgonzo likes this.
  21. Docgonzo Triple Crown Line

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,320
    Likes Received:
    584
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Chino, Ca
    Other than Vilardi, who hasn’t had a year of AHL experience that you want?

    JAD, Anderson, Bjornfot, Strand, Clague all had at least one year in the AHL.
     
  22. Schmooley Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2016
    Messages:
    419
    Likes Received:
    366
    Trophy Points:
    64
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    From all the teams to be like you want to be like the senators?
     
    kenito7, bouncesonly and Docgonzo like this.
  23. BigKing Modry Sucks

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2003
    Messages:
    9,179
    Likes Received:
    6,232
    Trophy Points:
    201
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Belmont Shore, CA
    Home Page:
    Ottawa made the conference finals in 2017 and then immediately went into the tank the following season. Pretty much all of the top dudes on the 2017 team were flipped for picks and prospects, some of which are part of this group of prospects that are "leading the way". Plus they drafted a stud leader in Tkachuk, a guy that brings the attitude that we are craving this team and its group of prospects to have. That being said, nothing so far for them says that they are on the path to greatness.

    Blake came in and just ran it back in 2018 but eventually moved out all of the top guys that had value, outside of 11 nd 8 who are still key contributors and weren't up for new contracts etc...like several of the big-time Sens guys were when they were dealt. The Kings are thought to have a better prospect pool than Ottawa--or pretty similar--but don't believe in just sticking guys in the NHL right away unless they are undeniable. Most of the big-name prospects will have a year of AHL experience under their belts going into next season so how are the Kings so far off from Ottawa? Here are the draft picks from the past six drafts that received NHL ice time for LA this year:

    2015 Draft: Roy/Wagner/Strand (undrafted)/Lizotte (undrafted)
    2016 Draft: Clague/Grundstrom
    2017 Draft: Andersson/Vilardi/JAD/Anderson
    2018 Draft: Kupari
    2019 Draft: Bjornfot/Kaliyev

    Sure, none of these guys are "leading the way" as points leaders on this team but Vilardi is in 7th on a team that's top scorers are basically the guys on the #1 PP unit. Roy and Anderson are eating minutes on the blue line and JAD is at .50 PPG so far.

    You get a gap with the 2018/19 as it looks like Blake and Co. like to see that one year of pro that you are talking about. Kupari's AHL time was cut short so he's getting more time to be a top dude in Ontario. Bjornfot got pro time overseas like Kupari but got a full AHL season last year and here he is. Turcotte is getting his time and Byfield/Kaliyev shouldn't even be getting AHL minutes this season but fortunately are while I expect to see both Byfield and Turcotte to dip their toes in some NHL action at this point. I'm not even discussing Fagemo, Thomas, Madden...

    I just don't get the Ottawa envy. Kings have had 15 different guys from age 19-24 play a game this year while Ottawa has had 12. It just seem like misplaced "I just want to see all of the prospects play right now" v. the Kings actually being possibly a "few years" behind the current Ottawa Senators.
     
  24. Mats26 Youth Movement

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    1,117
    Trophy Points:
    184
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Completly missed the point ..lol
     
  25. Mats26 Youth Movement

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    1,117
    Trophy Points:
    184
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Great they got some experiance.
    Most d men take 4-5 years to make an impact. Voynov had 4 years in the minors. Roy had 2 full seasons + a few games in year 1. Unless you are elite 18 year old, they can use 2+ years of Pro development hockey.

    My point is I hope the development staff ain't rushing them becasue we got too many prospects comming in at the same time.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"