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I think Lindstrom/Bowie will be the cheaper options for bottom-pair RD. They've impressed me more than Cholowski last season at the very least. I'm not really holding out much hope on Cholowski to be anything more than a bottom-pair 2nd PP guy at this point.

See Krug is the Mike Green replacement, and we don't need him to play amazing defensively. DDK and Seider will likely be tasked with handling the tough defensive minutes, we need someone to spring offense, especially on the PP. If we go with your suggested left side, I'm not certain by more than 5 wins.

I'm thinking of the following pairings if we sign Krug:

Dekeyser-Hronek
Krug-Seider
Nemeth-Lindstrom/Bowey

This way we mix offensive and defensive defensemen and have a legit option on both PP units for PPQB. If Cholowski is able to earn his spot, awesome, but I'm not counting on it by any means.

I don't think it's fair to Seider, Hronek or Lindstrom to place 3 young defenseman on the right side.
And you've just given up on CHolowski for what?

Bowey 25 - 154 games 5-34-39
Lindstrom 21 - 16 games 0-1-1 (45 games 0-5-5 -12 in GR)
Cholow 22- 88 games 9-15-24 (30 games 3-10-13 -15 inGR)

Walking away from Cholo would be a poor decision.
I guess if you're planning to sit Nemeth (best defenseman last year) or Dekeyser (best the year before), you can sign Krug and still play Cholo - but does anyone see Blash sitting a solid veteran?

I'm really not that sold on any UFAs worth keeping between now and the expansion draft, now that I think of it.
 

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Cholo started out in DET the last 2 seasons, albeit the 1st time was necessary b/c of injuries, but I'd rather he start in GR & Earn his way up this time. If he can't even do that & stay up, he's a small trade chip at best.


LHS Brodie prefers the right side, but can play both according to CGY fans.
He fits the age/handedness/cost/term/PMD/PP1-2 that we need.

Vatanen is intriguing on RD, however he'll likely command ~$5 which is way too much for a 3rd pairing dman.


Good balance:

DDK-Hronek
Brodie-Seider
Nemeth-Vatanen
-Lindstrom

+callups
(Cholo/Bowey/Biega)
 

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All for signing a D if it's the right fit.
Krug isn't.
He's not a great 5 on 5 producer.
He's constantly a minus player.
I'm not excited about signing Krug at his expected price, but this isn't a fair criticism. He has only been a minus player at 5v5 once in his career. This year he was on ice for 43 goals for and 35 goals against 5v5 (despite being -4 overall). The only reason he's frequently been a minus player is because he plays a lot on the powerplay (where it's impossible to get a plus, but even good players pick up a few minuses) and with the empty net (which obviously presents a high likelihood of a goal against).

That's why so many defensive specialists seems to have great plus/minuses and many great offensive-minded players seem to be frequently minus players.
 
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I'm not excited about signing Krug at his expected price, but this isn't a fair criticism. He has only been a minus player at 5v5 once in his career. This year he was on ice for 43 goals for and 35 goals against 5v5 (despite being -4 overall). The only reason he's frequently been a minus player is because he plays a lot on the powerplay (where it's impossible to get a plus, but even good players pick up a few minuses) and with the empty net (which obviously presents a high likelihood of a goal against).

That's why so many defensive specialists seems to have great plus/minuses and many great offensive-minded players seem to be frequently minus players.

Fair point on the +/-, I guess.
But it doesn't stop Marchand from being a plus player 10 straight years. Or Bergeron 13 straight years. Or Krejchi 7 of the last 8 years.
Or Mcavoy every year so far.
Or Chara every year since his first year in Boston

I watched quite a bit of Bruins hockey over the last few years and this year.
Krug is a defensive liability.
See this year's series winner.

Krug gets owned on this shift 3 different times.
1) Point kicks Krug's ass on the dump in. Krug doesn't even try to get there first and then makes a week ass effort along the boards. Clean possession for Tampa.
2) Krug is owned in front of the net. Halak screened. Hedman scores.

It's hard enough to get outsized and outmuscled. But when you lollygag into your own corner in double OT and don't contest the puck battle??

I'd take Krug at a value price.
5x$5M
But I'm not paying the market price for him.

What's Barrie going to cost? Can you get him $2-3M cheaper?
But the truth is, I don't want Barrie, either.

We can't run Hronek-Seider-Barrie down the right side.
Hronek-Seider-Braun might work.
A veteran who you can play on the PK and assign some of the heavy defensive work.
A veteran who can carry the load or stabilize the ship with the sea gets rocky.
 

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Funny how from last 2 playoff seasons, best three defencemen are Krug, Makar and Theodore in many advanced statistics.

I can found those bad play videos also for Makar and Theodore, if I like to start a bash agenda against them. But that's waste of time, like this bash agenda against Krug.

He is elite player against our current guys in so many ways, and will make us so much better, instantly.

Also, his arrival could do multiple cap wonders and value rises for us.
 
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Funny how from last 2 playoff seasons, best three defencemen are Krug, Makar and Theodore in many advanced statistics.

I can found those bad play videos also for Makar and Theodore, if I like to start a bash agenda against them. But that's waste of time, like this bash agenda against Krug.

He is elite player against our current guys in so many ways, and will make us so much better, instantly.

Also, his arrival could do multiple cap wonders and value rises for us.
1.5 yrs ago I was all about signing Krug @UFA. Since then my opinion has changed, but it's close, 60% no vs. 40% yes. Also consider that Werenski will be UFA in several years & we may need that $ to sign him. Especially if, as you say, Krug improves other players' values (which is likely), then we have to weigh the long term benefit vs. the shorter term. Lastly, what do you mean by "cap wonders"? Thanks for the feedback Henkka.
 

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- save or sell cap space , no big signings
- sign 27 year old big and rugged dman joel edmonson for say 3 years as a bottom pair stay at home pk guy and cop
- sign 32 year old talbot to platoon with burner
 

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Funny how from last 2 playoff seasons, best three defencemen are Krug, Makar and Theodore in many advanced statistics.

I can found those bad play videos also for Makar and Theodore, if I like to start a bash agenda against them. But that's waste of time, like this bash agenda against Krug.

He is elite player against our current guys in so many ways, and will make us so much better, instantly.

Also, his arrival could do multiple cap wonders and value rises for us.

Krug had the worst GA/60 on the Bruin's defense other than part-timer Jeremy Lauzon during the playoffs.
During the regular season, he was second worst in GA/60 to John Moore (part timer) (despite some of the easiest zone deployment on the team).

I'd take a young Krug.
I'd take a Makar or Theodore.
I do not pay premium dollars for a 29-year-old, pint-sized defenseman who's a liability in his own zone.

The only agenda here is avoiding stupid contracts.
 

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Funny how from last 2 playoff seasons, best three defencemen are Krug, Makar and Theodore in many advanced statistics.

I can found those bad play videos also for Makar and Theodore, if I like to start a bash agenda against them. But that's waste of time, like this bash agenda against Krug.

He is elite player against our current guys in so many ways, and will make us so much better, instantly.

Also, his arrival could do multiple cap wonders and value rises for us.

I'm not sure how I feel about a long term contract for Krug, but I think if we could go high AAV and a shorter term it makes sense for both sides. Assuming that it's a flat cap or close to it for the next 2 or 3 seasons and there's the new TV deal after the 2022 season, so a fresh one for the 2022-2023 season, Krug could make more money going short term and then re-upping after the new TV deal. If we could get him for 2 or 3 years at 8.5M or 9M we could even retain salary and trade him if we aren't contending at the end of the contact. That being said, I'm sure some team will offer him something like 7x7 or even 8x7 which means that our short term off really isn't that competitive.

Aside from that I short term higher AAV deal I don't see Krug fitting in timeline wise. He's going to be 30 at the start of the next season and we'd be paying a big premium for the downside of his career if we give him 5-7 years. I think by the time we get close to the end of that deal we could have in-house replacements. After having recently given out albatrosses contracts to Abdelkader and Nielson I think we should be wary of given out long term contracts to players on the downside of their career.
 
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Krug is such an interesting option.

he represents something we so dearly need, in an offensive PP weapon to complement Hronek, Mantha, Larkin and Zadina/Bertuzzi.

On the other hand he is going to want money and term and many Bruins fans seem ready to run him out of town. At some point we need someone who can make life easier for our young prospects and core. At even strength I don’t know if that Krug but he would be a big boost to the PP

We should have an abundance of cap space for years and we don’t have many guys under contract beyond this upcoming season. For the right price and term we’d be crazy to not add him.

3 years 8 or 9 million would be fine. If he wants term I’d like to see the AAV around 6 million
 

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It would be so interesting to get Krug and pair him with Seider. That would add so much in our team. Either guy didn't exist at last season. Seider has tools (size, reach, physicality) Krug is lacking, and they should work together fantastic offensively. Both can make transition by passing or skating, that would change the team more than ever to positive direction. Perfect handnesses.

That would leave healthy DeKeyser and Hronek to other Top4 pair, mostly to shut-down duties. DeKeyser missed almost whole season and we didn't have a shut-down pair at all, thanks to that. Hronek just had too big boots. Also perfect L-R handesses.

It's incredible, how much better defence we could have like this, if adding Krug, promoting Seider, and having healthy DeKeyser.

Then Nemeth would be traditional rock-solid 3rd pair defensive defenceman, paired with wome righty, like Bowey or Lindström. Or maybe slot Cholowski in here Cholowski and Lindström should split the games at Griffins.
 

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On his 31 Thoughts podcast, Elliotte Friedman suggested that Detroit could take a run at Chara to help build the culture (interestingly, this was the only team he mentioned outside of Boston as a landing spot for Chara). He was also about to get into the Krug rumors ("You know, the whole Krug thing with Detroit is really interesting...") but Marek cut him off and they never returned to the subject.

The comments start around the 44:30 mark in the latest podcast if interested.
 
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@E.Friedman must've read my post re: Chara to the Wings @$2.75, earlier this week...all he's doing is rehashing. I did read that Chara only wants to be in Boston just a few days ago, pretty much expected by all.
 
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Fleury submitting 10 team No Trade list...

Ott/Det seem like the only ones that can afford $7Mx2yrs. Melnyk will Melnyk, which leaves DET.

MAF capdump + (sweetener)= Cody Glass + 1st/NHL ready LD prospect w/Top 4 projection...otherwise, good luck with the buyout/cap. Det offers a minor leaguer, Hirose?/7th?

$14M for a backup/avg. goalie, oofff.
 

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Do you guys expect Perlini to be qualified and back with Wings?

Did he show any flashes of not being terrible for you? With Hawks he had like two weeks of good play and nothing else
 

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Fleury submitting 10 team No Trade list...

Ott/Det seem like the only ones that can afford $7Mx2yrs. Melnyk will Melnyk, which leaves DET.

MAF capdump + (sweetener)= Cody Glass + 1st/NHL ready LD prospect w/Top 4 projection...otherwise, good luck with the buyout/cap. Det offers a minor leaguer, Hirose?/7th?

$14M for a backup/avg. goalie, oofff.
Works for me, Yes please.
 

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Do you guys expect Perlini to be qualified and back with Wings?

Did he show any flashes of not being terrible for you? With Hawks he had like two weeks of good play and nothing else

He had a very difficult year, I don't see them qualifying him.

He really lacks the shift to shift consistency you need to play at the NHL level. He has talent for sure. I wonder if he taps into it and becomes a monster in Europe where he might be able to float for more of the game and overwhelm some of his opposition to produce.
 

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perlini is so soft i cant believe red wings held any hope he could play in the nhl . as ive had all along ive still major issues with detroits pro scouting whom i guess are mark howe and maltby ?
 

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MAF capdump + (sweetener)= Cody Glass + 1st/NHL ready LD prospect w/Top 4 projection...otherwise, good luck with the buyout/cap. Det offers a minor leaguer, Hirose?/7th?

You're getting one of those things for Fleury, not both.

He's overpaid but he'd still be the best goalie the Wings had in a decade. Which is sad to type but ya know... it's just been Howard... forever.
 
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You're getting one of those things for Fleury, not both.

He's overpaid but he'd still be the best goalie the Wings had in a decade. Which is sad to type but ya know... it's just been Howard... forever.
As the other 29 teams balk at VGK (most don't even have the cap room), the price to dump $14M/2yrs will go up. Unless Glass is Blue Chip A++ can't miss 1C prospect that can play 2C now (50pt+ pace, good 2-way game etc.), then maybe an addl. 2nd instead of the 1st/LD prospect. Supply is very limited/demand is virtually non-existent etc. There's a lot of nervous GM's right now.

It's irrelevant to the trade that MAF is better than the corpse of Howard, for the sake of the trade. There's UFA's, European undrafted etc.
 

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Do you guys expect Perlini to be qualified and back with Wings?

Did he show any flashes of not being terrible for you? With Hawks he had like two weeks of good play and nothing else

If he does he'll end up in Grand Rapids. Not sure he did enough last year.
 

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Fleury submitting 10 team No Trade list...

Ott/Det seem like the only ones that can afford $7Mx2yrs. Melnyk will Melnyk, which leaves DET.

MAF capdump + (sweetener)= Cody Glass + 1st/NHL ready LD prospect w/Top 4 projection...otherwise, good luck with the buyout/cap. Det offers a minor leaguer, Hirose?/7th?


$14M for a backup/avg. goalie, oofff.

Glass + a first?
I'd take Glass or Krebs alone.

Or maybe Hague plus a late first (if they have one)
 

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perlini is so soft i cant believe red wings held any hope he could play in the nhl . as ive had all along ive still major issues with detroits pro scouting whom i guess are mark howe and maltby ?

Don't think it had anything to do with pro scouting. It was Yzerman trying to build friend connections. Fabbri worked, Perlini didn't.

Think Adam Erne is same way, the gate-opener for the next Tampa guy to arrive. Somebody who really makes us better, but who would a bit hesitate, if there's totally unkown territory waiting.

Also if he gets really lucky and Stützle falls 4th in the draft, then we have the Mannheim-axel and everything ready to build a German colony for the rising hockey power.

I think Yzerman sees those things as a positive way, like Russian 5 worked and how swedes gelled very good together off-ice.
 

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