Prospect Info: 2020-21 Prospects Poll - Results on Post 2

[DaveG]

so since 2020-21 seems kinda f***ed in that we don't actually know when most of our guys are starting up, though the QMJHL is back to playing again, and we're probably done signing prospects, I figure this is as good a time as any to do this.

The one question remains before people send in their lists: should we have goalies as part of the top 20, or should we have a separate list for goalies since given the volatility of the position we might as well just hire Baron Samedi.


Anyway, eligible prospects come down to are they eligible for the Calder by age (25 and under) and by HF's old prospect distinction (65 or fewer NHL games played for skaters, 45 for goalies). So here's who's eligible with when and how they were acquired:

D Jake Bean - 1st rd 2016 - 13 OA
C Clark Bishop - 5th rd 2014 - 127 OA
W Dominik Bokk - 1st rd 2018 - 25 OA by St Louis - acquired in Faulk trade
W Jeremy Bracco - 2nd rd 2015 - 61 OA by Toronto - signed as UFA
C David Cotton - 6th rd 2015 - 169 OA
C Jason Cotton - signed as UDFA
C Jack Drury - 2nd rd 2018 - 42 OA
D Dominick Fensore - 3rd rd 2019 - 90 OA
C Morgan Geekie - 3rd rd 2017 - 67 OA
W Noel Gunler - 2nd rd 2020 - 41 OA
D Anttoni Honka - 3rd rd 2019 - 83 OA
C Seth Jarvis - 1st rd 2020 - 13 OA
D Oliwer Kaski - signed as UDFA - acquired in Kyle Wood trade
D Joey Keane - 3rd rd 2018 - 88 OA by NYR - acquired in Gauthier trade
W Lenni Killinen - 4th rd 2018 - 104 OA
W Steven Lorentz - 7th rd 2015 - 186 OA
C Stelio Mattheos - 3rd rd 2017 - 73 OA
C Lucas Mercuri - 6th rd 2020 - 159 OA
C Blake Murray - 6th rd 2019 - 183 OA
D Roland McKeown - 2nd rd 2014 - 50 OA by LA - acquired in Sekera trade
D Alexander "Boom" Nikishin - 3rd rd 2020 - 69 OA
W Zion Nybeck - 4th rd 2020 - 115 OA
W Alexander Pashin - 7th rd 2020 - 199 OA
C Vasili Ponomarev - 2nd rd 2020 - 53 OA
W Patrik Puistola - 3rd rd 2019 - 73 OA
D Ville Rasanen - 7th rd 2017 - 197 OA
W Jamieson Rees - 2nd rd 2019 - 44 OA
W Sheldon Rempal - signed as UFA
W Massimo Rizzo - 7th rd 2019 - 216 OA
D Ronan Seeley - 7th rd 2020 - 208 OA
D Jesper Sellgren - 6th rd 2018 - 166 OA
W Kirill Slepets - 5th rd 2019 - 152 OA
W Spencer Smallman - 5th rd 2015 - 138 OA
C Ryan Suzuki - 1st rd 2019 - 28 OA
W Tuukka Tieksola - 4th rd 2019 - 121 OA
W Kevin Wall - 6th rd 2019 - 181 OA
D Cade Webber - 4th rd 2019 - 99 OA

G Jeremy Helvig - 5th rd 2016 - 134 OA
G Pyotr Kochetkov - 2nd rd 2019 - 36 OA
G Jake Kucharski - 7th rd 2018 - 197 OA
G Jack LaFontaine - 3rd rd 2016 - 75 OA
G Eetu Makiniemi - 4th rd 2017 - 104 OA
G Alex Nedeljkovic - 2nd rd 2014 - 37 OA

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[DaveG]

One thing I found in tabulating this, we do a hell of a job of coming to tiers in lists with our group voting. 2 Skaters finished with all 14 first place votes, and were only separated by 4 points in the end result. Also there were 9 "consensus" skaters that appeared on every list, and 3 more that might as well have been since they were only missing from 1 or 2 lists at most.

Also we all clearly agree that our goalie situation is f***ing voodoo since every one of the top 4 received a vote as the highest at the position.

Skaters: (scoring went 15 points 1st - 1 point 15th)
1: C Seth Jarvis - 197 points (10 FP votes)
2: D Jake Bean - 193 points (4 FP votes)
3: C Ryan Suzuki - 168 points
4: C Jamieson Rees - 160 points
5: C Morgan Geekie - 150 points
6: W Dominik Bokk - 142 points
7: C Jack Drury - 116 points
8: W Noel Gunler - 102 points
9: D Jesper Sellgren - 88 points
10: D Joey Keane - 87 points
11: C Vasiliy Ponomaryov - 75 points
12: W Patrik Puistola - 56 points
13: D Anttoni Honka - 44 points
14: C David Cotton - 17 points
15T: D Ronan Seeley - 11 points
15T: D Alexander "Boom" Nikishin - 11 points
17: C Stelio Mattheos - 10 points
18T: W Tuukka Tieksola - 9 points
18T: C Steven Lorentz - 9 points
20: D Dominick Fensore - 8 points
21T: C Blake Murray - 6 points
21T: W Alexander Pashin - 6 points
23: C Clark Bishop - 5 points
24T: W Zion Nybeck - 3 points
24T: D Roland McKeown - 3 points
26: D Oliwer Kaski - 2 points
mentioned as HMs: Kevin Wall, Jeremy Bracco, Spencer Smallman

Goalies: (scoring went 4 points 1st - 1 point 4th)
1: Pyotr Kochetkov - 39 points (7 FP)
2: Alex Nedeljkovic - 32 points (1 FP)
3: Eetu Makiniemi - 28 points (3 FP)
4: Jack LaFontaine - 19 points (1 FP)
5: Jake Kucharski - 2 points

will work on profiles throughout the rest of the weekend

 

[geehaad]

I'm mostly voting to put goalies into a separate list because last year I ranked Kochetkov about 10 spots higher than anyone would dare rank him today. #cautionarytale

 

[MinJaBen]

Goalies are voodoo. So is projecting any of them, really, this year with few playing. Put them in the list.

 

[emptyNedder]

Going through a bunch of change management and resiliency seminars at work, so voting for something new.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I've always advocated putting goalies in a separate poll.

 

[GoldiFox]

Here are the F/D in a table with round, year, and # Overall. May help folks rank

Player	Round	Year	Pick #
D Jake Bean	1st	2016	13
C Seth Jarvis	1st	2020	13
W Dominik Bokk	1st	2018	25
C Ryan Suzuki	1st	2019	28
W Noel Gunler	2nd	2020	41
C Jack Drury	2nd	2018	42
W Jamieson Rees	2nd	2019	44
D Roland McKeown	2nd	2014	50
C Vasili Ponomarev	2nd	2020	53
W Jeremy Bracco	2nd	2015	61
C Morgan Geekie	3rd	2017	67
D Alexander "Boom" Nikishin	3rd	2020	69
C Stelio Mattheos	3rd	2017	73
W Patrik Puistola	3rd	2019	73
D Anttoni Honka	3rd	2019	83
D Joey Keane	3rd	2018	88
D Dominick Fensore	3rd	2019	90
D Cade Webber	4th	2019	99
W Lenni Killinen	4th	2018	104
W Zion Nybeck	4th	2020	115
W Tuukka Tieksola	4th	2019	121
C Clark Bishop	5th	2014	127
W Spencer Smallman	5th	2015	138
W Kirill Slepets	5th	2019	152
C Lucas Mercuri	6th	2020	159
D Jesper Sellgren	6th	2018	166
C David Cotton	6th	2015	169
W Kevin Wall	6th	2019	181
C Blake Murray	6th	2019	183
W Steven Lorentz	7th	2015	186
D Ville Rasanen	7th	2017	197
W Alexander Pashin	7th	2020	199
D Ronan Seeley	7th	2020	208
W Massimo Rizzo	7th	2019	216
D Oliwer Kaski			UDFA
C Jason Cotton			UDFA
W Sheldon Rempal			UDFA

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[tarheelhockey]

Looks like we have a winner, unless there are absentee ballots left to count.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Looks like we have a winner, unless there are absentee ballots left to count.

I have evidence that CI voted in the poll, calls the whole thing into question.

 

[MinJaBen]

Looks like we have a winner, unless there are absentee ballots left to count.

How many days after you call it are we allowed to submit our votes?

 

[DaveG]

So looks like it's official at this point

let's go top 15 skaters and top 4 goalies. Or if anyone wants to submit the list in the old combined style feel free to do a top 20, I'll take votes either way but the final list will be in the skaters list goalie list fashion.

 

[MinJaBen]

I’m recanting my report that I’ve seen goalies with skates.

 

[DaveG]

OK so going to keep voting open for 2 weeks and start tabulating and releasing results Thanksgiving weekend. I've already received a couple ballots in so far. And just a reminder that I'm taking either format, top 20 overall or top 15 skaters/top 4 goalies.

Send via PM when you're ready to send.

 

[geehaad]

I need to know if Gregory Hofman is eligible.

 

[geehaad]

btw, we got your picks already, Hank...don't trouble yourself.

 

[NotOpie]

just sent em in

 

[DaveG]

lists received so far:
me (duh)
ookhaab
42 jerks
NotOpie
Lucky Lindy
geehaad
discipline daddy
Bleedgreen
AndreiThreeK

I may keep this open through the end of next week to give others the chance to send their lists in

 

[Lempo]

I’m recanting my report that I’ve seen goalies with skates.

 

[ookhaab]

lists received so far:
me (duh)
ookhaab
42 jerks
NotOpie
Lucky Lindy
geehaad
and discipline daddy

I may keep this open through the end of next week to give others the chance to send their lists in

POST THE DAMN THING

 

[Vagrant]

i have a list coming in a few hours more than likely

 

[Helsinki Hurricanes]

Sent mine an hour ago. I remember doing more research last year and now just winging it.

What I found interesting was that I took one of the shared lists and started grouping it into tiers. There were some names I hadn't heard of / didn't think much of. Ended up with 4 tiers. All of the first three tiers accidentally had five players so it was easy to choose the top 15.

This year I felt like I had to leave quite decent prospects out of top 15. Some high floor guys I think make top 15 for many other teams + plenty of boom or bust prospects. I think multiple guys outside of 15 will make the team next 3-4 years. I also think one of the boom busters will become top 9 forward / strong 5D.

 

[DaveG]

5 more received today, starting the tabulation tonight and will release the list starting tomorrow morning. I'll do the list all at once and take my time on some of the profiles.

Going to go ahead and release mine publicly before the final results are tabulated to have some transparency here:

1 - Seth Jarvis (I had him top 10 going in to this draft, Bean's won me over, but Jarvis has the potential to be a Point level player. 10 times out of 10 I take that over a top 4 dman)
2 - Jake Bean
3 - Ryan Suzuki
4 - Jamieson Rees (call me a believer, but the kid is the real deal, a pest with 60+ point potential)
5 - Morgan Geekie (I mean he's GOING to be an NHLer, only question is how good)
6- Dominik Bokk
7 - Noel Gunler
8 - Jack Drury
9 - Jesper Sellgren
10 - Joey Keane
11 - Patrik Puistola
12 - Vasiliy Ponomaryov
13 - Anttoni Honka
14 - Ronan Seeley (I had him rated as a 2nd/3rd rounder, I won't back off that just because we landed him in the 7th)
15 - David Cotton
hms: Lorentz, Stelio, D-Fens, Nybeck, "Boom"

1 - Pyotr Kochetkov
2 - Alex Nedeljkovic
3 - Eetu Makiniemi
4 - Jack LaFontaine
5 - Jake Kucharski

rising but not included: Murray, Wall
surprising omission: Bishop - I'm still a believer. He's legitimately an NHL caliber guy as a 4th liner, but I think that's where he tops out.

 

[neelynugs]

5 more received today, starting the tabulation tonight and will release the list starting tomorrow morning. I'll do the list all at once and take my time on some of the profiles.

Going to go ahead and release mine publicly before the final results are tabulated to have some transparency here:

1 - Seth Jarvis (I had him top 10 going in to this draft, Bean's won me over, but Jarvis has the potential to be a Point level player. 10 times out of 10 I take that over a top 4 dman)
2 - Jake Bean
3 - Ryan Suzuki
4 - Jamieson Rees (call me a believer, but the kid is the real deal, a pest with 60+ point potential)
5 - Morgan Geekie (I mean he's GOING to be an NHLer, only question is how good)
6- Dominik Bokk
7 - Noel Gunler
8 - Jack Drury
9 - Jesper Sellgren
10 - Joey Keane
11 - Patrik Puistola
12 - Vasiliy Ponomaryov
13 - Anttoni Honka
14 - Ronan Seeley (I had him rated as a 2nd/3rd rounder, I won't back off that just because we landed him in the 7th)
15 - David Cotton
hms: Lorentz, Stelio, D-Fens, Nybeck, "Boom"

1 - Pyotr Kochetkov
2 - Alex Nedeljkovic
3 - Eetu Makiniemi
4 - Jack LaFontaine
5 - Jake Kucharski

rising but not included: Murray, Wall
surprising omission: Bishop - I'm still a believer. He's legitimately an NHL caliber guy as a 4th liner, but I think that's where he tops out.

great list, dave. i'm with you on seeley. shocked that he went in 7th round. looked
like a stud each time i saw him play last year. lots of NHL talent here.

 

[emptyNedder]

great list, dave. i'm with you on seeley. shocked that he went in 7th round. looked
like a stud each time i saw him play last year. lots of NHL talent here.

You guys are correct on Seeley--kinda. I had him ranked as the second D prospect after Bean--7th overall. One spot ahead of Sellgren and Keene. iirc.

Rees I am not sold on--as several others have discussed, hockey is finally evolving like the other major sports. One of the biggest parts of that evolution will be discipline. In the NBA in 2000 there were 25 players with 250 personal fouls, that number was 4 in 17/18 and 7 in 18/19. As skill increases, infracti0ns decrease. Rees will need to become more disciplined to make it in the game that will be played in 2025.

 

[Vagrant]

tfw you forgot geekie was eligible and you apparently forgot pony existed at all