2020-21 Norris Trophy candidates: Adam Fox, Victor Hedman, Cale Makar

[NYRfan39]

So, you picked the two teams in the division that hardly played defense and were pretty much the two soft teams among the top 4. OVERRATED!!

You like the cherry pick your data. O fox is overrated because he played against bad teams, see look here. Lets look at hsi stats agaisnt good teams. O wait the 2 best teams dont count because they were horrid defensively. Dude just get over it. Fox is not overrated, you will just try to find any way to justify why hes overrated when he clearly is not. Do you watch him play? Seems like you dont.

 

[Reggiet2]

You like the cherry pick your data. O fox is overrated because he played against bad teams, see look here. Lets look at hsi stats agaisnt good teams. O wait the 2 best teams dont count because they were horrid defensively. Dude just get over it. Fox is not overrated, you will just try to find any way to justify why hes overrated when he clearly is not. Do you watch him play? Seems like you dont.

Adam's Fox is James Patrick! 2ndary assist master!

 

[Reggiet2]

How do you give the Norris to someone who got Abused by the Islanders consistantly, racked up a bunch of secondary assists against the 3 worst teams in hockey, and only scored 5 goals, thats horrible! when you have a guy in Arizona on a worst team that Scored 18 goals, 23 assists in Jakob Chychrun. Last I looked its harder to score goals than get 2ndary assists against the Sabres, Devils, and Flyer! Talk about being stiffed! Could you imagine if Chychrun played 24 games against the Sabres, Devils, and Flyers, he may have scored 28 goals and 35 assists!

 

[wintersej]

I feel like some people want to pretend this season wasn't extremely unusual in a way that has never before been seen and probably will never be seen again.
No, Tampa did not play against Buffalo, Philly or NJD, three of the four teams that allowed the most goals in the league. Out of the Norris nominees, Fox is the only one that had that opportunity, and statistically; it helped him a lot.

Fox had 25 games without a point. 17 of them came against Boston, NYI, and Washington.

In the last 6 games of the season, which was like a playoff series for the Rangers to determine if they were going to go through to the post-season, Fox had 0 points and -4 against those 3 teams.

Even a Hedman at 70-80% is imo the best d-man out of these 3 nominees if you actually want to win something.

Hedman is the best d-man in the group. Hedman clearly wasn't himself the 2nd half of the season. Shouldn't have been nominated, really.

 

[Reggiet2]

Hedman is the best d-man in the group. Hedman clearly wasn't himself the 2nd half of the season. Shouldn't have been nominated, really.

Well, isn't that the point, the best defenseman in hockey should get the Norris, not the one on a bad team that padded stats against 3 of the worst teams in hockey. BTW, 5 goals is actually not very good with the PP the Rangers put out there!

 

[wintersej]

Well, isn't that the point, the best defenseman in hockey should get the Norris, not the one on a bad team that padded stats against 3 of the worst teams in hockey. BTW, 5 goals is actually not very good with the PP the Rangers put out there!

The defenseman that had the best season. That isn't always the best defenseman and shouldn't be this year. Not here to pump or deflate Fox's tires, just don't think Hedman should have been nominated with his lackluster 2nd half.

 

[Reggiet2]

The defenseman that had the best season. That isn't always the best defenseman and shouldn't be this year. Not here to pump or deflate Fox's tires, just don't think Hedman should have been nominated with his lackluster 2nd half.

Wasn't Hedman hurt most of the 2nd half of the season and still played! If that is the case, then he desreves the Norris!

 

[Reggiet2]

The defenseman that had the best season. That isn't always the best defenseman and shouldn't be this year. Not here to pump or deflate Fox's tires, just don't think Hedman should have been nominated with his lackluster 2nd half.

OH BTW, not helping your team make the playoffs and getting abused when it counted most, while padding stats against the 3 worst team in hockey, I don't consider a good year!

 

[wintersej]

OH BTW, not helping your team make the playoffs and getting abused when it counted most, while padding stats against the 3 worst team in hockey, I don't consider a good year!

I'm not a Rangers fan and don't give a shit about Fox.

 

[Reggiet2]

I'm not a Rangers fan and don't give a shit about Fox.

Then, your a very smart man!

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

In the last 6 games of the season, which was like a playoff series for the Rangers to determine if they were going to go through to the post-season, Fox had 0 points and -4 against those 3 teams.

You do realize that the Rangers were eliminated after I think 2 or 3 of those games? And he was saddled with carrying around bad defensemen because the next two best Rangers defensemen got injured and they were playing very short handed on defense at the end of the season.

 

[Canadienna]

 

[The S5]

Geez, all of these solid facts by Reggie has officially made me change my mind about Fox. Watching him every game this season was merely an aberration. Here I was watching him shut down the oppositions top lines, make opposing players look silly, and scoring a ton of points thinking he was good and all along he sucked. Man, I'm sure glad there are guys like Reggie around to set us dopes straight.

 

[Furio]

Wasn't Hedman hurt most of the 2nd half of the season and still played! If that is the case, then he desreves the Norris!

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[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don’t know why some people think the opinions of NHL players matter. Hockey isn’t that complicated. You don’t need to be a pro hockey player to understand the game.

 

[Canadienna]

I don’t know why some people think the opinions of NHL players matter. Hockey isn’t that complicated. You don’t need to be a pro hockey player to understand the game.

I think there are some things that you gain additional nuance or insight on when you actively do it. Particularly when you devote your whole life to it and you're among the best in the world.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think there are some things that you gain additional nuance or insight on when you actively do it. Particularly when you devote your whole life to it and you're among the best in the world.

If it’s an equal playing field, I agree. How much hockey do you think these players watch? How many of them do you even think know what a stat like GAR is? I think fans likely have way more info to go on, even if players would be better able to form opinions based on that information.

 

[DFC]

If it’s an equal playing field, I agree. How much hockey do you think these players watch? How many of them do you even think know what a stat like GAR is? I think fans likely have way more info to go on, even if players would be better able to form opinions based on that information.

How many of us know what it feels like to think, "I shouldn't even bother on this breakaway because Victor Hedman is behind me."

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How many of us know what it feels like to think, "I shouldn't even bother on this breakaway because Victor Hedman is behind me."

None, but that doesn’t mean knowing or not knowing that qualifies someone to answer these questions about the best players.

What if you replace Hedman with Chara? Do we believe it because an NHL player thinks Chara is the toughest to get by? No, obviously not. We know Chara isn’t that good anymore.

 

[DFC]

None, but that doesn’t mean knowing or not knowing that qualifies someone to answer these questions about the best players.

What if you replace Hedman with Chara? Do we believe it because an NHL player thinks Chara is the toughest to get by? No, obviously not. We know Chara isn’t that good anymore.

Which is why NHL players don't vote for him.

 

[majormajor]

I think there are some things that you gain additional nuance or insight on when you actively do it. Particularly when you devote your whole life to it and you're among the best in the world.

Sure, but you don't have a rolodex of 600 players and how they played this year. 3/4 of them didn't play against Hedman this year. Most of them didn't watch the Lightning in the regular season either, you can tell most journalists and most fans only watch one or two divisions. In this case Bolts fans would tell you that Hedman was bad (and no I don't average or mediocre, I mean bad) for about the last 6-8 weeks of the season. He had an injury that ruined his year. Almost no mention of it anywhere outside of the division.

Are the players wrong in saying Hedman is a great D-man? No, they just haven't updated their info since the last time they thought "wow Hedman is great", which for them might have been a year or two ago. It's sort of like how the players kept voting for Carey Price as best goalie even in the seasons where he was bad. It was a well-earned honor, just completely out of date!

 

[Absolut]

I don’t know why some people think the opinions of NHL players matter. Hockey isn’t that complicated. You don’t need to be a pro hockey player to understand the game.

They do matter, because these are the guys that actually play the game. But this year's polls are meaningless because they are based on historical opinions. Surprised Kucherov wasn't the top winger despite sitting out all season.

 

[Weztex]

Well 75% of players never played more than 2 or 3 games against Fox so him not showing up in the pool is pretty understandable. Even more if players get only one vote (instead of say, top-3).

 

[WaW]

Don't care...Makar and Fox are both pretty equally deserving. All I know is Fox and Makar should and will demand contracts that will finally silence the groups of fans of the teams they play for who constantly flex how great the NYR/COL cap situations are

Don't get me wrong...they'll be worth every penny. But man, if Subban got 8 x 9 mil 7 years ago after winning a shortened-season Norris with a much smaller cap at the time (it was 69 mil when he signed), these guys should both break the f***ing bank.

 

[John Johnson]

I think Fox has consistently been the best out of the 3 this year. He should get it.