Boston Bruins 2020-2021 Roster Discussion IV - STAY ON TOPIC

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  1. PB37 Mr Selke

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    Someone who talks big, acts big, plays big, but when confronted physically, they tend to shy away as they continue to look for easier prey. Brooks Orpik comes to mind immediately as a recent fake tough guy. Claude Lemeiux would be someone from the past who fits the description.
     
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    According to Capfriendly both Lauzona and Zboril will be exposed to an expansion draft if they play 40+ games. I guess that's based on 82 games season. If the season is shorter around 62 games that means around 30 games.


    The way how to get Laine is try to get lucky and offersheet Cernak. It's easier said than done. Tampa would like to keep Cernak but they are able to give him only a bridge deal somewhere around $2.5M. If Bruins would offer $3.9-4.2M/3y Tampa would rather trade him as the compensation from Bruins would be only 2nd rd pick 2021. I am sure several teams with a cap space (NJD, LAK, Nashville) would offer in a trade more than 2nd rd pick to get Cernak. Well, Bruins should do it anyway. At least to screw Tampa's depth.

    Step 1 Sign DeBrusk to $3.1M/3Y.
    Step 2 Offer sheet Cernak $3.95M/3Y.
    Step 3 Trade Laine for DeBrusk + Carlo + 1b prospect/pick
    Step 4 Trade Kuraly and Wagner for any late picks they could get.
    Step 5 Sign Chara 900K/1Y

    The line up if the season starts in January
    Laine - Bergeron - Studnicka
    Kase - Krejci - Smith
    Ritchie - Coyle - Bjork
    Frederic - McKegg - Senyshyn
    Lindholm

    Grzelcyk - McAvoy
    Zboril - Cernak
    Chara - Lauzon
    Moore - Clifton (they play 50% of games instead of Lauzon and Zboril)

    LTIR: Marchand, Pastrnak, Miller

    Once Marchy and Pasta are back the forward lines:

    Marchand - Bergeron - Studnicka
    Laine - Krejci - Pastrnak
    Kase - Coyle - Smith
    Ritchie - McKegg - Bjork
    Lindholm

    For the expansion draft Bruins protect 7F and 3D : Marchy, Bergy, Pasta, Laine, Kase, Coyle, Smith + McAvoy, Grzelcyk, Cernak.
    Not eligible to an expansion draft: Studnicka, Lauzon, Zboril
    Exposed to an expansion draft: Ritchie, Bjork, Clifton, Moore
     
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    Lets say Marshy and Pasta are out for 1 month each.......someone much smarter than me in terms of cap and LTIR.......does that give the bruins effectively 2 million extra to play with?

    Secondly, would anyone trade Bjork + Moore for Nick Foligno?

    Foligno-Coyle-Smith could be a very tough 3rd line to play against.
     
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  4. PaulD Time for a new GM !

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    Terrible. Stunk. Invisible.

    Traded for those reasons, and rightly so.
     
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  5. PaulD Time for a new GM !

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    Anyone might............... but the Jackets wouldnt
     
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    In a heartbeat but no way Columbus does that deal. Need to add a top nine roster player. Columbus isn't trading it's captain and a guy Torts loves for Anders Bjork and a 8th defenseman.
     
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    What's a guy like Foligno cost the Bruins then?
     
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    I would do that deal Bjork I like but he and Moore for Foligno, I do that deal in a second.
     
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    I would trade Bjork + Moore for the other Foligno in Minnesota as well.
     
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    Unless Columbus becomes cap strapped, which they are not right now, you would be starting with Grizz. If they re looking for picks probably a first. He is a UFA next year so if Columbus opts to move him it would be closer to the deadline and they are not in playoff contention.

    I love Foligno and he would be a great middle six forward.

    Oh and for the record the Bruins are still 6M+ under the cap, they have room to pick up a not so great contract, if Monty Burns lets them spend to the cap.
     
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    I like a lot of this but no way I have a guy who has yet to even score in the NHL on the top line. Not a big fan of Laine but he can score and while his attitude and work ethic are not great he with Krejci and Kase should be a very tough line to stop and add the needed secondary scoring to the Bergeron line.

    I would put Frederic or Studnicka in McKeggs spot in your healthy line up. Lindholm would clear waivers and I would have him as 15th forward in Providence if there are injuries.

    Tampa matches the offer sheet for Cernak and Sweeney would never offer sheet anybody anyway, he doesn't have the guts.
     
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    Okay two votes for Claude Lemieux here :laugh:. How is this anything like Nick Ritchie, though? I know you didn't say that, but it was said.
     
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    Ritchie is nothing like Claude. There is a good and bad to that. I haven't seen Ritchie turtle but he doesn't have Lemieux's drive to be as good as he can be. Claude was detestable because he also stepped up and was a force in the playoffs, but also he was as cheap a player as I have ever seen and that list includes Dale Hunter, Ken Linseman, Ulf Samuelson and Bobby Clarke.

    Claude would only fight when cornered and even then would look for a way out, Ritchie doesn't do that.
     
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    I realize they have 6.6 in cap space, my question was how much does Pasta and Marshy combined, missing a month, give us in LTIR space?
     
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    Biggest difference is that Lemieux could play.
     
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    You're pretty fired up over one player when no one really showed up to play hockey that series. Whatever.
     
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    In regards to Ritchie, my biggest issue with him is it feels like he knows he is a slow skater and doesn’t even attempt to build up any sort of speed when he is in any sort of foot race. Always looks like he’s just like “yeah, you got me...”
     
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    I feel like Ritchie deserves camp + 25-30 games. If he sucks, send him down or try and trade him for anything.
     
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    I'm cool with this.
     
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    Marchand and pastrnak count against the cap... but the team can go over the cap upto whatever marchand and pastrnak earn

    Cap is calculated daily

    So during the injury the team doesnt need to play shorthanded

    Once pastrnak and marchand are healthy the team needs to be under the ceiling

    Ltir doesnt make cap disappear... it only stretches it temperarily
     
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    If ritchie wants an nhl career he will have an nhl career. Dude is prime age... skates well for his size... enough puck skill to challange lucic/wilson as a scoring threat

    He will need to get in shape for his new team/fresh start

    He will need to prove to his new team he knows his role

    Its not guaranteed he will take this opportunity, but fans who think they can write him off are naive. He will have a job if he wants it bad enough
     
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    Anyone that is writing him off is not naive, but doing it for the very reason you highlight in the second bolded sentence. No serious person here thinks that the guy can't play or doesn't have talent- they question his drive and work ethic, and that, to this point in his career, has not been one of his stronger points. Maybe he will turn it around, and I hope he does, and I agree the Bruins should afford him an sustained opportunity to prove himself, but I also will not be one bit surprised if he doesn't change his ways and ends up being another might-have-been.
     
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    You and i have seen these big young power forward types fail in the past... but complete fails are guys like landon wilson who never play in the first place

    Ritchie has played. Hes played a few seasons. Hes thrown nearly 300 hits in a season. Hes been a double diget goal scorer

    Hes already very well established at slightly above a 4th liner

    What held him back in anaheim was the fit. Was it his fault or theirs? Who created the problem?

    Not all second chance change of sceneries will work. Cam neely worked. Sometimes it works. We know there are very very very few examples of kid power forwards that enter the nhl and just thrive from day 1

    Developing a powerforward is always considered a project

    We paid a steep price for ritchie and dude has a track record. The HOPE is he has upside... but even at a downside he is a legit nhl talent

    So happens we are deep with tons of legit nhl talent. There will be competition for jobs. We are going to have deserving players fail to play

    But if all things are equal and ritchie wants a job... someone else will be out
     
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    Great post, Mike. I agree 100%, which is why I want the Bruins to give him the opportunity to put it all together. The kid/man is about to turn 25 and has several years of NHL experience under his belt. It is time for him to get it done if he is going to- but at his age it might be appropriate to believe this is the point as a power forward where he DOES start get it together.
     
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