Prospect Info: 2020 1st Rd Selection - #15 OA - LW Rodion Amirov (RUS) - 6'0", 177lbs Part II

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  1. Fogelhund Registered User

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    Using the following ranking systems...

    Bob McKenzie
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    They aggregated them, and came up with how, on average, the consensus viewed the picks. On Average, of these 12 groups/individuals, which includes rankings aggregate of NHL scouts, Amirov was 15 and Schneider was 21. So, yes the aggregate had Schneider in the 20's... I'm sorry that doesn't fit your narrative, but facts be what they are. Fact is, Schneider would have been a reach at 15.

    2020 EOTP Consensus Draft Rankings

    RKNAMEHTWTPOSITIONTEAMLEAGUEAVGDROPRANGE
    1LAFRENIERE, ALEXIS6' 1"193LEFT WINGRIMOUSKIQMJHL1.00NA0
    2BYFIELD, QUINTON6' 4"215CENTERSUDBURYOHL2.331.331
    3STUETZLE, TIM6' 1"187LEFT WINGMANNHEIMGERMANY3.581.256
    4RAYMOND, LUCAS5' 11"170LEFT WINGFROLUNDASWEDEN5.081.506
    5PERFETTI, COLE5' 10"177CENTERSAGINAWOHL6.000.925
    6ROSSI, MARCO5' 9"183CENTEROTTAWAOHL6.170.176
    7DRYSDALE, JAMIE5' 11"175DEFENSEMANERIEOHL6.500.338
    8HOLTZ, ALEXANDER6' 0"192RIGHT WINGDJURGARDENSWEDEN8.081.589
    9ASKAROV, IAROSLAV6' 3"176GOALIENEVA ST. PETERSBURGRUSSIA-29.551.465
    10SANDERSON, JAKE6' 2"185DEFENSEMANUSA U-18NTDP10.080.5412
    11QUINN, JACK6' 0"176RIGHT WINGOTTAWAOHL12.922.8316
    12LUNDELL, ANTON6' 1"185CENTERHIFKFINLAND13.330.4217
    13JARVIS, SETH5' 10"175CENTERPORTLANDWHL13.670.3313
    14MERCER, DAWSON6' 0"180CENTERCHICOUTIMIQMJHL15.501.837
    15ZARY, CONNOR6' 0"178CENTERKAMLOOPSWHL17.502.0015
    16HOLLOWAY, DYLAN6' 0"203CENTERWISCONSINBIG1017.920.4216
    17AMIROV, RODION6' 0"177LEFT WINGUFARUSSIA18.670.7519
    18BOURQUE, MAVRIK5' 10"178CENTERSHAWINIGANQMJHL21.332.6716
    19LAPIERRE, HENDRIX6' 0"179CENTERCHICOUTIMIQMJHL23.081.7520
    20GUHLE, KAIDEN6' 2"186DEFENSEMANPRINCE ALBERTWHL23.420.3324
    21SCHNEIDER, BRADEN6' 2"202DEFENSEMANBRANDONWHL23.420.0028
    22PERREAULT, JACOB5' 11"192RIGHT WINGSARNIAOHL24.170.7523
    23GUNLER, NOEL6' 2"176RIGHT WINGLULEASWEDEN24.170.0052
    24BRISSON, BRENDAN5' 11"179CENTERCHICAGOUSHL25.171.0026
    25MYSAK, JAN5' 10"175CENTERHAMILTONOHL25.500.3322
    26PETERKA, JOHN-JASON5' 11"192RIGHT WINGMUNCHENGERMANY26.581.0826
    27REICHEL, LUKAS6' 0"170LEFT WINGEISBAREN BERLINGERMANY28.672.0828
    28FOERSTER, TYSON6' 2"194RIGHT WINGBARRIEOHL31.332.6731
    29WALLINDER, WILLIAM6' 4"191DEFENSEMANMODO JR.SWEDEN-JR.35.173.8343
    30BORDELEAU, THOMAS5' 10"175CENTERUSA U-18NTDP36.251.0828
    31GRANS, HELGE6' 2"206DEFENSEMANMALMO JR.SWEDEN-JR.36.250.0050
    32POIRIER, JEREMIE6' 0"196DEFENSEMANSAINT JOHNQMJHL39.082.8376
    33O'ROURKE, RYAN6' 0"178DEFENSEMANSAULT STE. MARIEOHL39.580.5039
    34WIESBLATT, OZZY5' 10"183RIGHT WINGPRINCE ALBERTWHL41.081.5049
    35KHUSNUTDINOV, MARAT5' 11"176CENTERSKA ST. PETERSBURG 2RUSSIA-JR.41.750.6789
    36GREIG, RIDLY5' 11"163CENTERBRANDONWHL42.000.2570
    37NIEMELA, TOPI5' 10"156DEFENSEMANKARPATFINLAND43.581.5836
    38HIRVONEN, RONI5' 9"164CENTERASSATFINLAND44.250.6760
    39ANDRAE, EMIL5' 8"181DEFENSEMANHV 71 JR.SWEDEN-JR.46.332.0846
    40BARRON, JUSTIN6' 2"195DEFENSEMANHALIFAXQMJHL46.500.1785
    41SMILANIC, TY6' 1"175CENTERUSA U-18NTDP47.420.9248
    42GUSHCHIN, DANIL5' 8"165LEFT WINGMUSKEGONUSHL50.583.1760
    43PONOMAREV, VASILIY5' 10"180CENTERSHAWINIGANQMJHL50.670.0853
    44CORMIER, LUKAS5' 10"180DEFENSEMANCHARLOTTETOWNQMJHL50.670.0095
    45NEIGHBOURS, JAKE6' 0"195LEFT WINGEDMONTONWHL51.330.67116
    46COLANGELO, SAM6' 2"205RIGHT WINGCHICAGOUSHL51.580.2551
    47FOUDY, JEAN-LUC5' 11"177CENTERWINDSOROHL52.581.0064
    48SOURDIF, JUSTIN5' 11"173RIGHT WINGVANCOUVERWHL55.002.4234
    49NYBECK, ZION5' 6"182LEFT WINGHV 71 JR.SWEDEN-JR.55.330.3374
    50SIMONTAIVAL, KASPER5' 9"177RIGHT WINGTAPPARA JR.FINLAND-JR.55.920.5869
     
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    Yea you take BPA in the first round, especially the top 15. I hope we never have a GM that thinks differently.
     
  3. Man Bear Pig Registered User

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    I wouldn't have had an issue with either Amirov or Schneider tbh. Both are good prospects. Neither would have been a reach at 15. It's way too early to be thinking this hard over that pick.
     
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    Fans will never be happy with what we have. whenever I spin the BPA approach I usually get back Best Defenseman Available lol
     
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    In the past I would’ve said don’t draft for need but with the ultra tight salary cap restricting free agent signings or trades the only way you can fill some gaps in the system is through the draft with players on ELC’s. Good luck trading for top prospects. In this environment it won’t happen.

    Hunter to my surprise wasn’t a good scout of talent. It became evident that the reason for his success in London was the US connections he established recruiting guys like Dvorak and Tkachuk etc.

    Big guys can easily dominate junior against their underdeveloped peers but against men they lose that size and strength advantage.

    Schneider though has a much higher hockey IQ and defensive acumen compared with most other prospects. He has some issues with his agility but his straight line skating is very good and he’s decent in transition.

    I think Amirov as long as he keeps getting ice time in the KHL has a chance to develop into a good two way player but as a rule of thumb wingers are easier to find than RHD.

    In this instance I would’ve taken the RHD.

    Thankfully Dubas perhaps recognizing team needs grabbed right shooting Niemela in the third round. He looks like a solid player.
     
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    Same. Is there room in here for people who like both prospects? LOL

    All I'm going to say is, yes, support your Leafs prospects and don't obsess over other team's prospects. That said, don't get too attached to Leaf prospects. I got attached to Bracco and was so annoyed with the "we could have had Konecny" comments that went on for 5 years on this forum. Looking back, maybe I was mad because I knew they were right. LOL But, annoying as those comments were, my blood pressure would have been much better off if I didn't invest so much energy in Bracco.
     
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    This kind of contradicts logic. If you need to draft players that can contribute on their ELC in the near future while the cap is tight, than they should be drafting BPA that is close to NHL ready. If they pick a defensive D, which tend to take the longest to develop, than you miss the current window.
     
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    We got neimela .
     
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    Schneider is more ready than Amirov who is physically immature.
     
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    One of them is playing middle-6 minutes in the 2nd best professional league in the world, the other one is going to play 24 WHL games in a calendar year post-draft. That's not even taking into account how much more learning a defensive D is going to need to do at the AHL and NHL level to be passable defensively once he discovers that he can't push around 16 year olds because he's got half a foot and 30 pounds on them. Amirov has already shown he can find space with professional adults trying to take it away.
     
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    Ifs the problem with mixing up raw size for development. Amirov clearly needs more time to cook, but he's also shown to be able to play with men
     
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    Dubas has made some good picks for us but this is still the guy that looked right at Travis Konecny and said no thanks and traded down. He has an arrogance about him, that he knows better. I think most of Leafs nation would have been very happy with that pick and as he was projected in that spot, no one would question it but he decided to do it anyway. It smacks of confidence yes, but a hint of arrogance as well.

    I think it's fair to say at this point he was wrong in that decision, unless Dermott continues to develop further into a top 4 dman. Bracco I don't see in a Leaf sweater and have no idea where he is on depth chart.

    If Schneider was taken right after us there should be more questions but he was instead taken 4 picks later. A C, a LW and a Dman were all taken before him. I don't think that means anything at this point but it's noteworthy.

    I agree with whomever said Amirov must be much better than Schneider for Dubas to have been proven correct. Anything less and imo, the value of a RH physical shutdown dman could outweigh it..
     
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    Show me a GM who hasn't made a poor decision. I don't think we can judge Dubas from him not selecting Konecny.
     
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    Lots of people also don't remember that Konecny was a very risky pick at the time as his injury history was a disaster. Luckily for the Flyers the risk paid off, but frankly many teams besides us balked at his injury history, because he was a top 10 talent otherwise.
     
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    You asked where he got 30 from, and I addressed that directly, because it was obvious. You cited an head-scratching range and got called out for it. Accept it.

    No one cares about your pointless dermott example. everyone knows you have to wait a long time to know how a players career shapes up. This point isn’t interesting or relevant and it just shows how elementary your thought process is here among people having regular prospect discussion in a prospect’s d+1.

    You also said what is important is nhl commodity value, which IS a good point, because it’s exactly the terms basically everyone here is discussing to begin with: many prospects drafted by dubas are now worth more than the value of their picks at their draft positions based on their d+1 play.

    blah blah personal insults blah blah. You played discussion police and got called out for it. Swallow your pride, take your ball and go home without telling people they don’t have common sense.
     
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    I thought was Dubas stated strategy to be trading down that draft to acquire more pics no? If this is not correct as I remember I dunno could be mistaken.
     
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    Sandin was a fantastic pick. He has been 'mostly' good at the draft table imo.
     
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    I'm not sure but it might have been a decision shared to trade down. I'm a bit more upset at not drafting Aho, but thems the breaks sometimes.
     
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    Nobody has declared him a "draft king". Fans of an NHL team are allowed to be happy when their prospects are doing well. Fans of an NHL team are allowed to acknowledge the good drafting that a GM has done, when a ton of their prospects are trending very well and have increased their value. You don't need to wait for 6-10 years, or even for them to make the NHL. They benefit the Toronto Maple Leafs in the present. We have increased our asset value, and thus have more options.
     
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    Maybe there should be a draft strategy thread to debate who should have been picked. Then prospect threads could talk about the prospect.
     
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    Great points.

    Either way you look at it has its flaws obviously. Like you said though “reaching” to fill a need could lead to more misses so I guess IMO limiting misses will lead to less steps taken backwards by your organization as a whole.
     
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    Came here to see if there was an update on Amirov returning to the KHL an unsurprisingly this thread has devolved into a cry fest about the Leafs drafting skilled players. How dare they!
     
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    I agree. Amirov looks like a very solid player. I Really don’t care who we could of had instead at this point. None of these kids that were drafted after him are going to be in the NHL this year anyways, and if sandin/liljegren/Dermott and Robertson can’t make our team right now, how was anyone at 15OA going to?..so it’s really not something I am concerned with. I am however interested in Rodian’s development. I hope he returns to play and lights it up just to shut this board up lol
     
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    Even at that, it took him 5 years to match Nylander's first year.
     
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    Leafs' U25 Team

    Nylander 24 ----- Matthews 23 ----- Marner 23
    Robertson 19 ----- Hirvonen 18 ----- Amirov 19
    Ovchinnikov 18 ----- Abramov 19 ----- Miettinen 19
    Hallander 20 ----- Engvall 24 ----- Anderson 22

    Sandin 20 ----- Niemela 18
    Dermott 24 ----- Liljegren 21
    Kokkonen 19 ----- Rindell 20

    Akhtyamov 19
    Scott 21​
     

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