Speculation: 2019 Trade Deadline

[The Zetterberg Era]

Oh I understand that you see no difference between a team solidly in it's window to win multiple championships and a team that is one of the absolute worst in the league.

Most teams in the league have them and your assertion was mocking Holland as some lone wolf that doesn't understand what they are, not the stage in the standings. Sure change the argument. Yzerman uses NTC and NMC as well and he will in Detroit. That is a part of the league, there are in excess of 100 players enjoy them throughout the league. Usually multiples per team and all the players we talk about and actual want Holland/Yzerman an company to sign are going to have them as a contract stipulation.

 

[Heaton]

Most leagues in the team have them and your assertion was mocking Holland as some lone wolf that doesn't understand what they are, not the stage in the standings. Sure change the argument. Yzerman uses NTC and NMC as well and he will in Detroit. That is a part of the league, there are in excess of 100 players enjoy them throughout the league. Usually multiples per team and all the players we talk about and actual want Holland/Yzerman an company to sign are going to have them as a contract stipulation.

For me, it's all about who is getting the NMC and NTC. I personally don't believe non-star players should be getting them and I certainly don't believe role players should ever get a NTC.

 

[kliq]

Oh I understand that you see no difference between a team solidly in it's window to win multiple championships and a team that is one of the absolute worst in the league.

I would argue that a team solidly in it's window needs to be more careful then ever with things like NMC's and NTC's as one bad contract can be the difference between winning a cup or not winning a cup. Us being one of the worst in the league gives us the flexibility to not have to worry as much about contracts/cap/NTC-NMC's etc.

Don't get me wrong, I wish we didnt have all of them them, and I'm not defending them, I'm just pointing out the glaring holes in your condescending comment.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

For me, it's all about who is getting the NMC and NTC. I personally don't believe non-star players should be getting them and I certainly don't believe role players should ever get a NTC.

Well then you are unlikely to agree with Yzerman's stance on this as well is what I am warning you about.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Well, hopefully this is the last we see of Nyquist.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Well, hopefully this is the last we see of Nyquist.

Boo this man.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Boo this man.

Nyquist, you mean? I'm all for it, man.

 

[kliq]

Well then you are unlikely to agree with Yzerman's stance on this as well is what I am warning you about.

But why let facts and logic come in the way of someone's argument lol.

Stamkos - NMC
Callahan - M-NTC, NMC
Palat - NTC
Johnson - NTC
Killorn - NTC
Hedman - NMC
McDonagh - M-NTC
Stralman - M-NTC
Coburn - M-NTC
Girardi - NTC

 

[DInTheB]

In fairness to Steve, he’s convinced the bulk of those guys to take less AAV because of the no income tax in Florida. If he trades those guys after agreeing to take less, he’s drastically impacting their paycheck.

 

[Hacketts]

Did Nyquist and Tatar have chemistry? (if they even played together much)

 

[Heaton]

Well then you are unlikely to agree with Yzerman's stance on this as well is what I am warning you about.

But why let facts and logic come in the way of someone's argument lol.

Stamkos - NMC
Callahan - M-NTC, NMC
Palat - NTC
Johnson - NTC
Killorn - NTC
Hedman - NMC
McDonagh - M-NTC
Stralman - M-NTC
Coburn - M-NTC
Girardi - NTC

I never implied otherwise. The NTC and NMC clauses are easier to digest when you're the GM of a top 3 team in the league. Rebuilding teams need ultimate flexibility to build and shape the team. A GM will probably say that if you don't give some NTC or NMC, players just won't sign here. I think many of the players the Wings have given NTC to are replaceable.

 

[kliq]

I never implied otherwise. The NTC and NMC clauses are easier to digest when you're the GM of a top 3 team in the league. Rebuilding teams need ultimate flexibility to build and shape the team. A GM will probably say that if you don't give some NTC or NMC, players just won't sign here. I think many of the players the Wings have given NTC to are replaceable.

For the record, I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the rant by another poster who @The Zetterberg Era was originally going back and forth with.

I do disagree with what you are saying though to a degree, I'm just going to quote my previous post as it pretty much hits on why.

I would argue that a team solidly in it's window needs to be more careful then ever with things like NMC's and NTC's as one bad contract can be the difference between winning a cup or not winning a cup. Us being one of the worst in the league gives us the flexibility to not have to worry as much about contracts/cap/NTC-NMC's etc.

Don't get me wrong, I wish we didnt have all of them them, and I'm not defending them.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Interesting. Ottawa is asking for a king's ransom for Stone (multiple firsts, a high end prospect, and more), and Columbus the same with Panarin. If Nyquist is willing to be traded, the demand is likely there.

Also the rumor is that Ottawa only wants to trade Stone somewhere he'll actually sign, with the intent of one of those firsts being conditional on signing. So if teams won't verbally commit to signing him, Ottawa isn't listening.

 

[Datsyukian Deke]

Did Nyquist and Tatar have chemistry? (if they even played together much)

They were pretty much the same type of player, they always seemed to score when it never mattered. Would be nice to get the same for Gus as we did for Tatar (wishful thinking, I know).

 

[SCD]

Regarding Nyquist, it sounds like it will be another last minute trade for KH.

I hope he can move Daley. Sounds like Howard is here for a couple more years.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Regarding Nyquist, it sounds like it will be another last minute trade for KH.

I hope he can move Daley. Sounds like Howard is here for a couple more years.

At this point, I feel like Howard moving was always a long shot. Trading established NHL goalies is just nonsensical. Their value is all over the place.

 

[DInTheB]

I know people want to believe Daley might get dealt but I have not heard his name reported anywhere.

Not saying it’s impossible but it certainly appears to be wishful thinking.

 

[SCD]

At this point, I feel like Howard moving was always a long shot. Trading established NHL goalies is just nonsensical. Their value is all over the place.

I agree, but it would be great to get a second for him. In addition, it would help the tank. We can resign him this summer.

 

[SCD]

I know people want to believe Daley might get dealt but I have not heard his name reported anywhere.

Not saying it’s impossible but it certainly appears to be wishful thinking.

At this point in the year, wishful thinking is about the only thing left.

 

[Claypool]

I'm confident Howard is faking his illness so he won't be traded.

 

[DetroitRed]

I'm confident Howard is faking his illness so he won't be traded.

I felt like Howard indicating that he would like to retire in Detroit kind of sabotaged Detroit's chances to trade him already. I mean, that basically communicated that if you were willing to pay Holland's price of a first-round pick, you would still only have Howard until the summer.

On the other hand, out of the few probable playoff teams who Howard could help, how many could he help so much it would be worth it?

I hope Yzerman is left to handle his contract.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Buffalo trades Brendan Guhle + choice of either SJ or STL's 1st to Anaheim for Brandon Montour.

Obviously, this was about vowels

 

[GBFP]

^Do they have to choose now or is it a case of "whichever one is better" come the end of the season?

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

^Do they have to choose now or is it a case of "whichever one is better" come the end of the season?

Whichever is better, I believe. And they get to choose at the draft, or sometime after the season.

 

[GrGriffins]

^Do they have to choose now or is it a case of "whichever one is better" come the end of the season?

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Conditional pick details in Montour deal: #Ducks receive SJS 1st pick, or they have the option to select STL’s pick if it’s between #20 - #31.