Speculation: 2019 Trade Deadline V

[AdamParrot]

I would take Doughty and Burns over Eric given the choice .

Never. Eric must be first choice! Best Dman in the league.

 

[Starat327]

"He isnt playing well, look at his ice time"

"How can you say trading him would be stupid if you dont know what youre getting."

I mean, i know putting two and two together here is tough for some, but generally speaking, if a player isnt playing well, their return in a trade isnt going to be good, either. If you think that this is his new norm, hes worthless and exploring a trade is dumb because you wont get a return big enough to justify the risk of him rebounding. If you think his past performance is more indicative of what he'll get back to, then you know why its a bad idea, and just successfully convinced yourself that trading him is an idiotic idea.

Either way, doesnt matter which path you chose on this choose your own adventure, trading Ghost right now is a dumb idea.

 

[flyersfan187]

I wish Stone would hurry up and get traded already that way teams start to fight over Simmonds more.

 

[The Madrigal]

Why can't we just have a separate Ghost thread ?

I agree. This is ruining these trade deadline threads and it's basically one person who keeps bringing it up over and over again.

 

[David St Hubbins]

So the article in the previous thread says that the Bruins, Lightning, Preds and Jets are in on Simmonds. What would we be expecting back from each of those teams?

Sympathy

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

So basically he isnt anywhere close to be traded at the moment then.

 

[David St Hubbins]

You've convinced me, Ghost sucks. His playing time is below Amac.
And Sanheim sucks, as his playing time was below Manning last season.
And Myers sucks, since he's only played one of 3 games he's been up
And Morin sucks. He couldn't beat out Manning, and Amac, and Hagg.

All our kids suck. Our coaches are infallible. And having exercised my right to sarcasm, I will now exercise the ignore button.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

So I guess he DID play well when the coach played him 18 and 23 minutes in 2 of the last 4 games.

Do whatever song & dance you want, but if a coach cuts 8 or 9 minutes from a defenseman’s typical playing time, & does it twice in the span of 3 games, it’s generally a sign that the defenseman hasn’t been playing well.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I agree. This is ruining these trade deadline threads and it's basically one person who keeps bringing it up over and over again.

 

[Adtar02]

Do whatever song & dance you want, but if a coach cuts 8 or 9 minutes from a defenseman’s typical playing time, & does it twice in the span of 3 games, it’s generally a sign that the defenseman hasn’t been playing well.

Again or injured. And one of those games there were 7 dman.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do whatever song & dance you want, but if a coach cuts 8 or 9 minutes from a defenseman’s typical playing time, & does it twice in the span of 3 games, it’s generally a sign that the defenseman hasn’t been playing well.

Are coaches infallible?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Not surprising but Duchene is done with the Sens. He’ll be scratched for their next upcoming game on Thursday.

 

[Adtar02]

Quick question. Where do you look up shift duration times. Cause it looks like in a lot of games hagg and amac double shift themselves and get stuck out there longer than most.

Like they can’t get off.

 

[Bigkarl]

Do whatever song & dance you want, but if a coach cuts 8 or 9 minutes from a defenseman’s typical playing time, & does it twice in the span of 3 games, it’s generally a sign that the defenseman hasn’t been playing well.

Or that he’s a shitty, bi-polar coach.

I mean, if he thinks he’s a 23 minute dman, and then a 12 minute dman a few nights later, it would suggest either 1.) a good dman turned into a terrible dman overnight, 2.) At least one of those evaluations from the coach is way off, 3) The coach has no idea how to manage his bench over the course of the game and get the right guys on the ice

 

[Hiesenberg]

Quick question. Where do you look up shift duration times. Cause it looks like in a lot of games hagg and amac double shift themselves and get stuck out there longer than most.

Like they can’t get off.

Try this: ShiftChart - Hockey Shift Data Visualization

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Are coaches infallible?

No, but imperfection doesn’t mean they’re wrong, either.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not surprising but Duchene is done with the Sens. He’ll be scratched for their next upcoming game on Thursday.

Has he done a thing?

 

[Beef Invictus]

No, but imperfection doesn’t mean they’re wrong, either.

You know, if you're going to appeal to their authority to shore up your arguments this is about the least convincing way to make that convincing.


So, a bad coach has made decisions that most people agree are bad. You admit the coach isn't infallible and his decisions are open to question. Why should we put any stock into ice time as some great indicator?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Has he done a thing?

Nah they’re just holding him out until the deadline on Monday. They got games on Thursday & Friday before then.

I’m guessing contract negotiations stalled & they’ve moved on to trading him. As they haven’t done it with Stone to this point.

 

[Chinatown88]

No touchy Duchene

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Has he done a thing?

more uber recordings at 11.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

You know, if you're going to appeal to their authority to shore up your arguments this is about the least convincing way to make that convincing.


So, a bad coach has made decisions that most people agree are bad. You admit the coach isn't infallible and his decisions are open to question. Why should we put any stock into ice time as some great indicator?

Gordok is coaching to keep the job. He’s doing what he thinks gives him the best chance to win. Maybe he’s wrong, but I don’t think “appealing to internet message board posters” is any more likely to be correct.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Or that he’s a ****ty, bi-polar coach.

I mean, if he thinks he’s a 23 minute dman, and then a 12 minute dman a few nights later, it would suggest either 1.) a good dman turned into a terrible dman overnight, 2.) At least one of those evaluations from the coach is way off, 3) The coach has no idea how to manage his bench over the course of the game and get the right guys on the ice

More likely he just doesn’t trust Ghost defensively.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gordok is coaching to keep the job. He’s doing what he thinks gives him the best chance to win. Maybe he’s wrong, but I don’t think “appealing to internet message board posters” is any more likely to be correct.

I'm not appealing to message board posters. I'm pointing out that your authority isn't held in the highest regard by your audience.


Have fun with your logical fallacies. It demonstrates the weakness of your arguments.

 

[Beef Invictus]

More likely he just doesn’t trust Ghost defensively.

Yet he trusts the inferior Hagg, which scuttles the quality of his judgement.