prototypical4thliner
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Can’t imagine it being that painless right? Or I think that move would be done right away from the flyers perspective.
Speculation: 2019 Trade Deadline IV
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Well it’s been discussed here but essentially he’s a one year rental at this point. If Karlsson returned what he did I don’t think Trouba will cost what Jets fans think.
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Eh, I think you are over stating Pronger’s slowdown a little bit, if not by a lot. He was still a legit top pair D-man who was still able to control the flow of the game. Seeing how Chara has aged out, no reason to think Pronger wouldn’t have done the same if not for the injury.
Also, Pronger and Timonen was a large reason, in addition to some luck, that we made the finals with. Leighton. Michael Leighton! If Prongs was healthy, Bryz would have been little better than he was.
Considering that we are talking about only 3 “ meatshields” in Grossmann, Mac and L. Schenn, yeah... Prongs alleviating “couple” of meatshields is a huge difference.
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The powerplay went to crap this season. This team also severely struggles at the beginning as well.
This season (~60 games in)
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...team.4&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=ppPoints
Last season
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...team.4&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=ppPoints
He needs to produce more that's for sure but being stapled to Andrew MacDonald right now isn't going to help. The upside is that his contract is very manageable in lot of regards.
Karlsson’s game isn’t purely built on declining attributes like speed so he might age better than you think. The guy reads the game exceptionally and his breakout passes are a thing of beauty. Goddamn it would be cool to add Karlsson.
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You're out of your mind if you think there's going to be that much movement for this club. I can see Simmonds being moved, MacDonald (hopefully waived), and maybe Raffl moved. I prefer Raffl in the lineup though.
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Lindberg
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His season hasn't been good.
That's ridiculous to say everyone is bad with MacDonald. Guy is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen.
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Farmer has dragged down everybody he's ever played with. He's an epic turd and a titanic sized anchor.
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Everyone is not bad with MacDonald, and he's not one of the worse defenders I've ever seen, he's functional, not pretty, but he has a solid track record of decent performance - people just have ridiculous expectations (and have amnesia when it comes to the defensemen the Flyers have iced over the last decade!).
The less time on MacDonald's contract, the easier it will be to move him with salary retained and actually get an asset in return, if not at the TDL, then this summer. When you look at the money received by 3rd pair defensemen in free agency, would you prefer MacDonald 1yr/$2.5M or some scrub at 3yr/$6M?
Ghost hasn't been bad this year, but not nearly as good as last year. If he's not injured that suggests that last year was a bit of an anomaly and his "baseline" is probably somewhere between these two years. Which means he'll probably be better next year but may never approach 60+ points again.
The less time on MacDonald's contract, the easier it will be to move him with salary retained and actually get an asset in return, if not at the TDL, then this summer. When you look at the money received by 3rd pair defensemen in free agency, would you prefer MacDonald 1yr/$2.5M or some scrub at 3yr/$6M?
Ghost hasn't been bad this year, but not nearly as good as last year. If he's not injured that suggests that last year was a bit of an anomaly and his "baseline" is probably somewhere between these two years. Which means he'll probably be better next year but may never approach 60+ points again.
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Must be why he routinely flubs easy passes and falls on his skates. Dude is as bad as Hakstol was as a coach.
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The obvious present optimal D lineup is:
Provorov - Sanheim
Gostisbehere - Gudas
MacDonald – Myers
Provorov - Sanheim
Gostisbehere - Gudas
MacDonald – Myers
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Thats Sophies choice for me, they both are awful. But how an organization can willingly dress both of them and be mortal locks is insane.
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I think Hagg does a better job of knowing his limitations and he's more physical than MacDonald. How many effing times have we seen MacDonald skate into his goalie?
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Are you not reading what I'm writing? Part of what makes you successful on ice is the other players on the ice.
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Sure, but then you see Hogg get man handled by Helm last game, he can't even clear the crease. Myers was already more aggresive than him last game.
Myers stepping up on Provys goal was something Farmer and The Hagg could never do
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FlyerNutter
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He sure as hell isn’t helping him have a better one.
Angry Hockey Dad
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I think it would be foolish and nearsighted to trade Ghost following one mediocre season
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