Prospect Info: 2019 NHL Entry Draft Part II

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MartyOwns

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I agree with you that scouts can be wrong, and scouting services. As much as I love Nico, if the 2017 draft was redone Elias Pettersson would go first overall, and he lasted past the top 5. So scouts can be wrong, even universally.

i was tarred and feathered for saying EP is a better player than nico a few months ago. even though i gave the same disclaimer you did (about loving nico, which i do). what i admire about your writing is that you are seldom influenced by personal (or team) preference. you stay objective, which makes your opinions that much more credible.

devils fans may see a lot of assists for a player, and their brains immediately link a guy like scott gomez, because that’s who we have tucked into our subconscious. good on ya for not doing the same
 

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i was tarred and feathered for saying EP is a better player than nico a few months ago. even though i gave the same disclaimer you did (about loving nico, which i do). what i admire about your writing is that you are seldom influenced by personal (or team) preference. you stay objective, which makes your opinions that much more credible.

devils fans may see a lot of assists for a player, and their brains immediately link a guy like scott gomez, because that’s who we have tucked into our subconscious. good on ya for not doing the same

Why is there so much Scott Gomez talk on here recently? lol I feel like some fans needs to watch other current hockey teams so they can make accurate player comparisons to existing players. EP would absolutely go first in a redraft due to his offensive talent being out of this world, but Nico would likely go 2 because of his amazing 2 way game. There is legitimately 0 point in looking back at 2017 as the draft we missed on, in reality we didnt miss we just didnt get the player with the most potential in the whole draft. But we got a number 1 center who plays well in every foot of the ice so we hit on that pick big time. 2016 and 2015 on the other hand we got players that would likely not be top 20 picks in redrafts.
 

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There is legitimately 0 point in looking back at 2017 as the draft we missed on

i didn’t say we ‘missed on’ that draft, and i don’t recall seeing anyone else say that either. we just didn’t get the BPA at first overall...neither did the other 3 teams that passed on him. we still got a #1C, nobody (even on this board) would complain about that
 

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i didn’t say we ‘missed on’ that draft, and i don’t recall seeing anyone else say that either. we just didn’t get the BPA at first overall...neither did the other 3 teams that passed on him. we still got a #1C, nobody (even on this board) would complain about that

I definitely have seen people complain about that haha not saying you did either but i feel like that has been mentioned
 
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Sam Cosentino over at Sportsnet just released a draft ranking with Kakko at no. 1. Interesting.

He also has Cozens, Zegras and Byram at 4, 5 and 6, respectively.

Gonna be an interesting draft.
 
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one thing is for certain, top 6 picks are prob gonna be hughes, kakko, byram/cozens/turcotte/zegras, if BPA (it seems)

Based on the various lists released so far, it probably depends on the specific teams that will pick 3-10. Some will want Byram some won’t. Some will want Podkolzin but some won’t. It will be a real interesting draft as someone said earlier. Who knows how Castron and the staff will have them slotted. I hate to say it but I could see NJ trade out of the three slot if they like a forward better than Byram and some other team panics and trades say 5 or 6 plus a good young roster player or a future first round pick for 3. Many here will be upset that they passed on Byram assuming NJ would have taken him had they stayed put but that might not be the case at all.
 
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Based on the various lists released so far, it probably depends on the specific teams that will pick 3-10. Some will want Byram some won’t. Some will want Podkolzin but some won’t. It will be a real interesting draft as someone said earlier. Who knows how Castron and the staff will have them slotted. I hate to say it but I could see NJ trade out of the three slot if they like a forward better than Byram and some other team panics and trades say 5 or 6 plus a good young roster player or a future first round pick for 3. Many here will be upset that they passed on Byram assuming NJ would have taken him had they stayed put but that might not be the case at all.
you mean like what we did w mcleod, with ottawa? the pick we got from them turned into gignac by the way
 
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you mean like what we did w mcleod, with ottawa? the pick we got from them turned into gignac by the way

I could see that. Just because we are ensnared of a prospect doesn’t mean the team is. Last year I think the fans and team were on the same page. It seems almost everyone here was and are happy with that pick. Nico was an interesting case because of PATRICK. I believe that the fans were pretty split on the selection but now are overwhelmingly happy with the choice. If NJ had wanted Pettersson and traded down to four the fans would have been disappointed at the time even if they would have been happy later on. I think this regime is fairly open to that idea.
 

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you mean like what we did w mcleod, with ottawa? the pick we got from them turned into gignac by the way

There are only two trade-down scenarios I can see with the Devils' lottery pick. I'll discuss them because many of you might find them interesting, if only for hypothetical discussion.

1)Devils win top pick, Vancouver wins second pick.
In this scenario, the Vancouver fan and media pressure to reunite the Hughes brothers would be insane. The Canucks brass could also hold out hope that they get another Sedin situation, where the two brothers sign for below market value after their ELCs in order to continue playing together. If the Canucks were to dandgle, say, the #2 overall pick + their early second rounder + one of their two stud goaltending prospects (Demko, DiPietro), it would be very enticing, especially considering they would still be able to draft Kappo Kakko at #2.

2)Devils pick 5th, Cozens and Byram both off the board when 5th pick comes.
In this scenario, I think many teams would really covet both Vasili Podkolzin and Kirby Dach, both of whom are routinely rankled in the top 5, and even the top 3. If I'm Ray Shero, I would certainly consider adding a second-round pick or prospect or player in order to move down two to three slots, where the Devils would still be able to draft one of Turcotte or Zegras, who are better fits for the organization, anyway.

I'm not advocating these, I'm just saying they're possibilities worth thinking about and discussing.
 

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I could see that. Just because we are ensnared of a prospect doesn’t mean the team is. Last year I think the fans and team were on the same page. It seems almost everyone here was and are happy with that pick. Nico was an interesting case because of PATRICK. I believe that the fans were pretty split on the selection but now are overwhelmingly happy with the choice. If NJ had wanted Pettersson and traded down to four the fans would have been disappointed at the time even if they would have been happy later on. I think this regime is fairly open to that idea.

The Nico pick was a great pick. No prospect writer or scout on earth had Pettersson in the top 3, much less #1 overall. I think Steve Kournianos was the only expert I read to have Pettersson even in his top 5. And if this draft was re-held today, Nico would go #2, which is not too shabby.

So, as usual, I agree with you on this. I will also happily back your opinion that Devils fans have to be pleased with the Ty Smith pick last year.
 

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1)Devils win top pick, Vancouver wins second pick.
In this scenario, the Vancouver fan and media pressure to reunite the Hughes brothers would be insane. The Canucks brass could also hold out hope that they get another Sedin situation, where the two brothers sign for below market value after their ELCs in order to continue playing together. If the Canucks were to dandgle, say, the #2 overall pick + their early second rounder + one of their two stud goaltending prospects (Demko, DiPietro), it would be very enticing, especially considering they would still be able to draft Kappo Kakko at #2.

As much as I like Demko (I live a few miles from his parents here in San Diego), he would probably be redundant to Blackwood. One outside the box option would be to mimic what Florida did in 2002 when they traded from #1 to #3 with Columbus. Florida got the option to swap 1st round picks in 2003. Florida ended up winning the lottery anyways, so in the end it cost Columbus nothing. But it was quietly savvy to add Columbus' lottery odds just in case.
 

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There are only two trade-down scenarios I can see with the Devils' lottery pick. I'll discuss them because many of you might find them interesting, if only for hypothetical discussion.

1)Devils win top pick, Vancouver wins second pick.
In this scenario, the Vancouver fan and media pressure to reunite the Hughes brothers would be insane. The Canucks brass could also hold out hope that they get another Sedin situation, where the two brothers sign for below market value after their ELCs in order to continue playing together. If the Canucks were to dandgle, say, the #2 overall pick + their early second rounder + one of their two stud goaltending prospects (Demko, DiPietro), it would be very enticing, especially considering they would still be able to draft Kappo Kakko at #2.
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I'd at least LISTEN to Vancouver if this is the offer since we'd end up with Kakko PLUS some more picks.


That said, though, if we have the chance to draft Hughes, you just can't do it.
 
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There are only two trade-down scenarios I can see with the Devils' lottery pick. I'll discuss them because many of you might find them interesting, if only for hypothetical discussion.

1)Devils win top pick, Vancouver wins second pick.
In this scenario, the Vancouver fan and media pressure to reunite the Hughes brothers would be insane. The Canucks brass could also hold out hope that they get another Sedin situation, where the two brothers sign for below market value after their ELCs in order to continue playing together. If the Canucks were to dandgle, say, the #2 overall pick + their early second rounder + one of their two stud goaltending prospects (Demko, DiPietro), it would be very enticing, especially considering they would still be able to draft Kappo Kakko at #2.

2)Devils pick 5th, Cozens and Byram both off the board when 5th pick comes.
In this scenario, I think many teams would really covet both Vasili Podkolzin and Kirby Dach, both of whom are routinely rankled in the top 5, and even the top 3. If I'm Ray Shero, I would certainly consider adding a second-round pick or prospect or player in order to move down two to three slots, where the Devils would still be able to draft one of Turcotte or Zegras, who are better fits for the organization, anyway.

I'm not advocating these, I'm just saying they're possibilities worth thinking about and discussing.
Scenario 1, I would request Bo Horvat. With Pettersson and Hughes as their top 2 centers, they may make Horvat available. NJ will probably need to add a 2nd rounder, but I would do that to get a young 2C.

Scenario 2, I'm keeping the pick. I think this draft is good depth for top 10. We will get a very good player at pick 5.
 

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As much as I like Demko (I live a few miles from his parents here in San Diego), he would probably be redundant to Blackwood. One outside the box option would be to mimic what Florida did in 2002 when they traded from #1 to #3 with Columbus. Florida got the option to swap 1st round picks in 2003. Florida ended up winning the lottery anyways, so in the end it cost Columbus nothing. But it was quietly savvy to add Columbus' lottery odds just in case.

Vancouver has a few more prospects who would really fill needs for the Devils. I was extremely high on RD Jett Woo for last year's draft, and I absolutely love the kid's game. The Devils don't have anyone like Woo in the entire organization, extremely physical, terrific defensively and very capable offensively.
 
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Vancouver has a few more prospects who would really fill needs for the Devils. I was extremely high on RD Jett Woo for last year's draft, and I absolutely love the kid's game. The Devils don't have anyone like Woo in the entire organization, extremely physical, terrific defensively and very capable offensively.

Jet Woo?

That is an AWESOME name. :thumbu::thumbu::thumbu:
 

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Jet Woo?

That is an AWESOME name. :thumbu::thumbu::thumbu:

And his dad was in The Goon.

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Vancouver has a few more prospects who would really fill needs for the Devils. I was extremely high on RD Jett Woo for last year's draft, and I absolutely love the kid's game. The Devils don't have anyone like Woo in the entire organization, extremely physical, terrific defensively and very capable offensively.

I'd like Woo as well, if only so I could cheer on a (part) Asian guy. But typically the pick swap trades aren't huge blockbusters.

1998: San Jose trades #2 and #85 to Nashville for #3 and #29
1999: (through a couple trades) Vancouver acquired #2 and a future third round pick for #4 and two third round picks
2002: Florida trades #1 to Columbus for #3 and the option to swap 2003 1st round picks
2003: Florida trades #1 and #73 to Pittsburgh for #3, #55, and Mikael Samuelsson

But it's a fun scenario to think about, especially with the draft being in Vancouver this year.
 

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And his dad was in The Goon.

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I'd like Woo as well, if only so I could cheer on a (part) Asian guy. But typically the pick swap trades aren't huge blockbusters.

1998: San Jose trades #2 and #85 to Nashville for #3 and #29
1999: (through a couple trades) Vancouver acquired #2 and a future third round pick for #4 and two third round picks
2002: Florida trades #1 to Columbus for #3 and the option to swap 2003 1st round picks
2003: Florida trades #1 and #73 to Pittsburgh for #3, #55, and Mikael Samuelsson

But it's a fun scenario to think about, especially with the draft being in Vancouver this year.

I keep saying it, but Vancouver is the team to watch at the draft this year in terms of big moves. They have more incentive to draft either Hughes or Byram than any other team. I don't think they have a shot at Hughes unless they wind up winning the #2 pick in the lottery. But if they wind up drafting 5th or below (and I've written this several times on these threads)? They are desperate for D in the organization, Byram is the type of player their front office loves, and Byram is already a big star in the market as the top player on the WHL's Vancouver Giants. With the draft in Vancouver (as you astutely mentioned), I can really see some intriguing scenarios.

As I've mentioned, I do not see any trade up scenarios for the Devils. Ray Shero has more of a history of trading down than up at the draft, and it would cost a ton to get into the top 2 for any team which winds up outside of the top 2. Even if the Devils fall to the 6-8 range, they are extremely likely to come away with one of Turcotte/Zegras, both of whom fit in with the organizational philosophy and fill a huge organizational need.
 
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There are only two trade-down scenarios I can see with the Devils' lottery pick. I'll discuss them because many of you might find them interesting, if only for hypothetical discussion.

1)Devils win top pick, Vancouver wins second pick.
In this scenario, the Vancouver fan and media pressure to reunite the Hughes brothers would be insane. The Canucks brass could also hold out hope that they get another Sedin situation, where the two brothers sign for below market value after their ELCs in order to continue playing together. If the Canucks were to dandgle, say, the #2 overall pick + their early second rounder + one of their two stud goaltending prospects (Demko, DiPietro), it would be very enticing, especially considering they would still be able to draft Kappo Kakko at #2.

2)Devils pick 5th, Cozens and Byram both off the board when 5th pick comes.
In this scenario, I think many teams would really covet both Vasili Podkolzin and Kirby Dach, both of whom are routinely rankled in the top 5, and even the top 3. If I'm Ray Shero, I would certainly consider adding a second-round pick or prospect or player in order to move down two to three slots, where the Devils would still be able to draft one of Turcotte or Zegras, who are better fits for the organization, anyway.

I'm not advocating these, I'm just saying they're possibilities worth thinking about and discussing.

This is a great post for discussion. Definitely my cup of tea.

1st scenario, I could see Vancouver offering a Kings Randsom for the reasons you stated. Hughes would be worth more to them than any team due to the other brother... the stories just write themselves here for Vancouver. I would need a lot to do it though and I’m not sure I would ask for a goaltending prospect, maybe another young top prospect instead as you indicated later. I would still hate to give up the chance st a generational center that could even push Nico down to be one of the top 2Cs in the game.

2nd scenario is right up my alley. In this case, I would be willing to go down as far as 7 and maybe 8 if I knew those were the 2 guys teams were after, just based on my draft board for the Devils. Getting who we are really targeting while also picking up another 2nd would be huge for the offseason.

All in all I’m still crossing my fingers that we end up with someone who can step into the lineup next year and begin to wreck havoc with Nico and Hall ASAP.
 
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So how many of these guys are ‘franchise players’. Someone you can build a team around. Haven’t paid attention to this upcoming draft class.
 

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So how many of these guys are ‘franchise players’. Someone you can build a team around. Haven’t paid attention to this upcoming draft class.

The top player is Jack Hughes, who is a borderline generational player. Kakko is definitely a franchise player, and the consensus #2 pick.

In my opinion the 3/4 picks are LD Bowen Byram and C Dylan Cozens, both of whom have franchise upside. Out of the remaining players, I would say that that Turcotte and Podkolzin could also become franchise players, with Zegras also having a shot, though he is further from his talent ceiling than the rest of this group.

Krebs, Boldy and Dach in opinion, all have all-star ability, and are likely to go in the top 10.

The other player who could become a franchise player is US-NTDP goaltender Spencer Knight, who is considered the best net minding prospect since Carey Price. Winger Arthur Kaliyev has Tarasenko-like scoring talent, but is very divisive among scouts for myriad reasons.
 

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The top player is Jack Hughes, who is a borderline generational player. Kakko is definitely a franchise player, and the consensus #2 pick.

In my opinion the 3/4 picks are LD Bowen Byram and C Dylan Cozens, both of whom have franchise upside. Out of the remaining players, I would say that that Turcotte and Podkolzin could also become franchise players, with Zegras also having a shot, though he is further from his talent ceiling than the rest of this group.

Krebs, Boldy and Dach in opinion, all have all-star ability, and are likely to go in the top 10.

The other player who could become a franchise player is US-NTDP goaltender Spencer Knight, who is considered the best net minding prospect since Carey Price. Winger Arthur Kaliyev has Tarasenko-like scoring talent, but is very divisive among scouts for myriad reasons.
So it sounds like we are hoping for a top 4 pick :crossfing

Thanks for the context!
 
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West teams were just too bad. Figured we would steal at least one win. Might take two.

Plenty of tough games left so though so plenty of loses still to come to keep them in 4th.

Like to see Buffalo win a game or two soon. Too much losing up there.
 
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